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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:06:00 -
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Looks like theres 20 years exploiting the earth left according to the news and environmental scientists.
i feel ive done quite alot in cutting down my own carbon footprint, then again being a student aint really got the money to have a big one heh.
Wonder if america will see sense : /
Think my dad was lucky to live in his generation..
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Looks like theres 20 years exploiting the earth left according to the news and environmental scientists.
i feel ive done quite alot in cutting down my own carbon footprint, then again being a student aint really got the money to have a big one heh.
Wonder if america will see sense : /
Think my dad was lucky to live in his generation..
Whats your thoughts on all this? Friend of mine was going on about it being all the concreate over the earth surface causes a major promblem. So he dont really think its all that bad.
This post has inspired me to go burn some trees, put the ashes in my hummer which gets 4 miles per gallon, drive to the pacific ocean, and dump the ashes as well as my car into the ocean. Oh and before I do that I'm going to get some radioactive waste in the car too. New Petition Inc Vid |
MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:18:00 -
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Yep, blame Americans, I mean China doesn't output any waste does it
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DaHeaVYFo
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:22:00 -
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I deal with death almost every day as a Paramedic. Yet it doesn't scare me. I'm 24 now, another 20 years like I live now = 44Yo. Good times ahead. Those who are not afraid of dying are masters of life.
I'll drink to that... cheers
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:26:00 -
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China is polluting ALOT worse then the US did with the industrial revolution included.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker China is polluting ALOT worse then the US did with the industrial revolution included.
China has also only recently become a seriously industrial nation, and also has twice the population of America. Is it fair that America was allowed to pollute the Earth first, but now its suddenly wrong?
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 15/04/2006 23:42:40
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker China is polluting ALOT worse then the US did with the industrial revolution included.
Wrong
The US/Canada region holds the top position for carbon emissions from the years of 1920-2000. Communist East Asia is up there, but lagging behind the U.S.
If you want to play the blame game, get your facts right before you post.
Isn't this a pretty picture?
Anyway, sure the Kyoto Protocol won't solve the world's environmental problems but at least it's a start. China's actually making an effort, like most of the rest of the world.
Ironic though, to see the Champions of Democracy unwilling to do their bit, because it might hinder profits.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:43:00 -
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20 years? Probably a bit more than that.
I can say for sure that nobody is going to be able to do anything to even affect what's currently going on. Any measures that will be taken will be helpful, but minimal and local in scope.
Lets hope fusion comes soon.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: DaHeaVYFo I deal with death almost every day as a Paramedic. Yet it doesn't scare me. I'm 24 now, another 20 years like I live now = 44Yo. Good times ahead. Those who are not afraid of dying are masters of life.
I'll drink to that... cheers
i agree with what you say. altho its gonna happen, i've never been able to understand people who are afraid to die. its one of the only certaintys in life.
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Etumretniw
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Posted - 2006.04.16 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Soulis
Originally by: DaHeaVYFo I deal with death almost every day as a Paramedic. Yet it doesn't scare me. I'm 24 now, another 20 years like I live now = 44Yo. Good times ahead. Those who are not afraid of dying are masters of life.
I'll drink to that... cheers
i agree with what you say. altho its gonna happen, i've never been able to understand people who are afraid to die. its one of the only certaintys in life.
True in a way, but there's a difference between dying yourself and putting a death sentence on the whole planet..
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Big Muthatrucker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 15/04/2006 23:42:40
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker China is polluting ALOT worse then the US did with the industrial revolution included.
Wrong
The US/Canada region holds the top position for carbon emissions from the years of 1920-2000. Communist East Asia is up there, but lagging behind the U.S.
If you want to play the blame game, get your facts right before you post.
Isn't this a pretty picture?
Anyway, sure the Kyoto Protocol won't solve the world's environmental problems but at least it's a start. China's actually making an effort, like most of the rest of the world.
Ironic though, to see the Champions of Democracy unwilling to do their bit, because it might hinder profits.
First: off every nation's news agency (reliable information?! I think not) is going to have different stats on polution...for example the reason why america refused to sign the kyoto accord is because our scientists along with others found that by 2050 the kyoto accord will have reduced potential global warming by .0000015 degrees F. Not worth my tax money trust me....
Second: Inda and China each have more SUV's on the road than the US...
Third:The US has more alternative fuel cars on the road than any other nation in the world, and has more money invested in renewable fuels than any nation. (personaly I think we should have more money invested in Hydrogen fuel)
Finaly being a champion of democracy I have the freedom to say I dont care what you think. Im tired of people whining and not providing a solution thats FAIR and doesnt exploit the US Treasury (aka my hard earned money)...
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 01:38:00 -
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im not afraid of dying, more afriad that the entire globe and all life 'may' cease to exsist past 100 years.
I feel that mebbie were here to find something and since the 100 years weve had techonolgy weve not really been ready to use it. by the time global warming was discovered hardly a thing was done by the countries that got too comfortable using it.
It just a shame that there may only be several generations left to enjoy this trip, who knows what in the beyond think we failed big time tho if these scientist are right.
Do what you want, Do what you will, Just dont mess up your neighbours thrill, And when you come to pay the bill, Leave a little tip, And help the next poor bastard on this one way trip.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
First: off every nation's news agency (reliable information?! I think not) is going to have different stats on polution...for example the reason why america refused to sign the kyoto accord is because our scientists along with others found that by 2050 the kyoto accord will have reduced potential global warming by .0000015 degrees F. Not worth my tax money trust me....
Just a question here--why did over 150 nations (IIRC) sign the Kyoto protocol then, and America (us) didn't?
Are we better than the rest of them?
Do we know something they don't?
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Big Muthatrucker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 02:08:05
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
First: off every nation's news agency (reliable information?! I think not) is going to have different stats on polution...for example the reason why america refused to sign the kyoto accord is because our scientists along with others found that by 2050 the kyoto accord will have reduced potential global warming by .0000015 degrees F. Not worth my tax money trust me....
Just a question here--why did over 150 nations (IIRC) sign the Kyoto protocol then, and America (us) didn't?
Are we better than the rest of them?
Do we know something they don't?
P.S. OMGWTFLOCKZORPOLITICS!
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea. I did some more research and found it was over 15,000 US scientists who reported that Kyoto accord should not be rattified, along with 5000 Austrailian scientists (who also had a unanamous decision against it). Another reason why it wasnt voted on is many of the major industrialized nations with high polution would be exempt...of course nations like china (exempt), india (exempt), japan (hehe ill go into that later) would vote for it. It would put an ecconomical strain on US industry therefore boosting thiers.
Japan....85% of Japans high poluting industrial factories are based in the US and other nations. Of course they are going to sign because it is the US that has to pay for THEIR compliance.
I do have to give the UK a high five for the wit of their policy makers...see to get an accurate reading from particulate levels in an area not far from the ocean and with little mountain ranges would be difficult...Ocean current helps dissipate polution so readings would read far less than what is actualy being produced..."Sure we'll sign" hehehe.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 02:08:05
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
First: off every nation's news agency (reliable information?! I think not) is going to have different stats on polution...for example the reason why america refused to sign the kyoto accord is because our scientists along with others found that by 2050 the kyoto accord will have reduced potential global warming by .0000015 degrees F. Not worth my tax money trust me....
Just a question here--why did over 150 nations (IIRC) sign the Kyoto protocol then, and America (us) didn't?
Are we better than the rest of them?
Do we know something they don't?
P.S. OMGWTFLOCKZORPOLITICS!
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea. I did some more research and found it was over 15,000 US scientists who reported that Kyoto accord should not be rattified, along with 5000 Austrailian scientists (who also had a unanamous decision against it). Another reason why it wasnt voted on is many of the major industrialized nations with high polution would be exempt...of course nations like china (exempt), india (exempt), japan (hehe ill go into that later) would vote for it. It would put an ecconomical strain on US industry therefore boosting thiers.
Japan....85% of Japans high poluting industrial factories are based in the US and other nations. Of course they are going to sign because it is the US that has to pay for THEIR compliance.
I do have to give the UK a high five for the wit of their policy makers...see to get an accurate reading from particulate levels in an area not far from the ocean and with little mountain ranges would be difficult...Ocean current helps dissipate polution so readings would read far less than what is actualy being produced..."Sure we'll sign" hehehe.
I will post my some of my sources on my lunch break for you all to see.
With respest, that is very knieve to think and complete properganda. The science is clear, you can tell that its being affective, Why take the risk with some fatcats worried about there profits and you can have piece of mind that your way of life safe, convieniete isnt affecting the the planet.
Two countries scientists lots of them it seems say theres no harm nothing to worry about when all others have said there is. Does not make sense that its some global conspiracy agaisnt the US so there not so profitable, that is just paranoid.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:11:57
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea.
Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do. We, on our ivory towers, thought that we should be exempt because we are better than everyone else, apparently.
The Kyoto protocol isn't "liberal." It was approved by 150 nations, many of which were incredibly conservative. We were one of the only countries in the entire world to reject it.
If you went to New York City, and everyone there donated 1 dollar to the Red Cross to help the victims of 9/11, but you violently protested and refused when asked, I would see something wrong with that.
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Big Muthatrucker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea.
Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do. We, on our ivory towers, thought that we should be exempt because we are better than everyone else, apparently.
Dude China = exempt and Japan = Of course they will sign they dont have to pay for it we would...did you not read
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:13:38
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea.
Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do. We, on our ivory towers, thought that we should be exempt because we are better than everyone else, apparently.
Dude China = exempt and Japan = Of course they will sign they dont have to pay for it we would...did you not read
I read. But nearly your entire post is completely made up, so I didn't actually listen to what you read, no.
I would suggest you choose an information source other than FOX News before you post on the Internets.
Calling the Kyoto Protocol "liberal" makes it obvious that you don't even know what you're talking about. The Kyoto Protocol is about as liberal as Herbert Hoover.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 16/04/2006 03:15:01 Nuffin will change until it starts affecting people. Like that film day after tommorow.
Actually i read that america would need to cut its carbon emmissions by 60-80% over the next 5-10 years if we dont want to past the point of no return...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:15:00 -
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I'm logging off for the night--I need some sleep. I expect the mods to have locked this by morning
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Nuffin will change until it starts affecting people. Like that film day after tommorow.
I hated that movie.
Bad acting, sure, but more than anything else it discredited an actual environmental theory by turning it into a hollywood film and by far overexaggerating it.
Now, nobody can research it because they'll just get laughed at, even though the original theory the movie was inspired by is quite based in facts.
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:17:00 -
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To be honest I doubt anything is going to save us now. I think that all countries should work together to solve the problem, but it doesn't surprise me that US and Australia didn't agree. Sadly nothing can be done about it until people start dying from hunger or whatever other causes. Then we are going to bang our heads against the wall asking why didn't we do anything earlier.
All we can do now is "brace for impact", because all the effort in the world isn't going to reverse the process at this point.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: kessah Nuffin will change until it starts affecting people. Like that film day after tommorow.
I hated that movie.
Bad acting, sure, but more than anything else it discredited an actual environmental theory by turning it into a hollywood film and by far overexaggerating it.
Now, nobody can research it because they'll just get laughed at, even though the original theory the movie was inspired by is quite based in facts.
Yeh hated it too, i dont believe it did any harm, you'd be suprised at the affect hollywood has on people that just wana be entertained. Look at that film crash, i personally thought it was junk an easy topic to win oscars with becus its about a topic that people are passionatly disgusted with. --------------------------------------------------------
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund To be honest I doubt anything is going to save us now. I think that all countries should work together to solve the problem, but it doesn't surprise me that US and Australia didn't agree. Sadly nothing can be done about it until people start dying from hunger or whatever other causes. Then we are going to bang our heads against the wall asking why didn't we do anything earlier.
All we can do now is "brace for impact", because all the effort in the world isn't going to reverse the process at this point.
Damn...
Theres still time i think but europe just doesnt polute that much the figures show that the UK only contributes 2% to the worlds carbon emissions
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.16 03:35:00 -
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Posted - 2006.04.16 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Tecam Hund To be honest I doubt anything is going to save us now. I think that all countries should work together to solve the problem, but it doesn't surprise me that US and Australia didn't agree. Sadly nothing can be done about it until people start dying from hunger or whatever other causes. Then we are going to bang our heads against the wall asking why didn't we do anything earlier.
All we can do now is "brace for impact", because all the effort in the world isn't going to reverse the process at this point.
Damn...
Theres still time i think but europe just doesnt polute that much the figures show that the UK only contributes 2% to the worlds carbon emissions
Your Carbon Footprint Find out here! Be honest!
There might still be time left, but can you imagine everything that is needed to be done though? It will take a mobilization of resources that hasn't been seen since WWII; and you will have to completely change the way all of us live (not just USA) in 10-20 years. From what I see we are still busy killing each other all over the globe; forget the global warming...
History is full of examples where people did nothing until sh*t hit the fan, and it will repeat itself. Problem is that you can't just pass the law and fix everything. Every person must make up their own mind and it will take time we don't have. But as they say: hope dies last.
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.04.16 04:39:00 -
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18 tonnes per year here. My family of 4 owns a house and 3 cars. Thats american dream for ya. If I had a choice I would rather live in apartment (but I don't have money as a student), would use public transportation (but there is none) or would drive a hybrid (but i had to buy what I had money for)... so go figure
And we are talking about a family of russian immigrants who are used to be much less wasteful than average americans.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.04.16 04:44:00 -
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Well hell. So in 20 years the world ends? I suppose an exact date was given too.
Every generation since the beginning of time has said the end is near, and yet here we are. Many scientists now believe that global warming is a natural cycle the Earth (billions of years old iirc...) goes through every few million years.
So obviously I support doing what one can to reduce their footprint, but god dammit, life goes on. I will still drive, because I need to get to work.
I do kind of hope some iceburgs melt before I die, because I am interested in seeing how the displacement of something that is 95% underwater will increase when it melts. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
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Posted - 2006.04.16 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:11:57
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea.
Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do. We, on our ivory towers, thought that we should be exempt because we are better than everyone else, apparently.
The Kyoto protocol isn't "liberal." It was approved by 150 nations, many of which were incredibly conservative. We were one of the only countries in the entire world to reject it.
If you went to New York City, and everyone there donated 1 dollar to the Red Cross to help the victims of 9/11, but you violently protested and refused when asked, I would see something wrong with that.
DS never have I read such a childish statement from you.
Quote: Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Yeah right
Quote: Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do.
And they had nowhere near as much to lose as the US..which incendentally would have turned their loss....hmmm, Americas loss into a massive gain for them. I'm sure they were all for it. And that is not only a fact but the truth, no matter how you would like to portray them as angels and the US as devils. I respect you opinions, but on this you seem to have a very naive veiw of business and world politics.
Originally by: Kessah Wonder if america will see sense : /
Originally by: pshepherd Is it fair that America was allowed to pollute the Earth first, but now its suddenly wrong?
Please if were gonna place blame...any country 1st, 2nd, 3rd world (or other) that runs a factory or for that matter has automobiles on its roads, bears responsibility for polluting the enviroment, damaging the ozone, mealting the ice caps, and giving doomsayers a soapbox to stand on.
*shrug*
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Big Muthatrucker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Big Muthatrucker on 16/04/2006 06:01:31
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:13:38
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Big Muthatrucker
It was a unanamous decision in the senate 95-0. NEVER in US history has there ever been a unanamous decision in our legislation. Even your hard-core liberal socialist tree-hugging democrats voted nea.
Which makes it quite obvious that the corrupt politicians were bought out by industry.
Even China and Japan, which had loads to lose from Kyoto, voted for it, because it was the right thing to do. We, on our ivory towers, thought that we should be exempt because we are better than everyone else, apparently.
Dude China = exempt and Japan = Of course they will sign they dont have to pay for it we would...did you not read
I read. But nearly your entire post is completely made up, so I didn't actually listen to what you read, no.
I would suggest you choose an information source other than FOX News before you post on the Internets.
Calling the Kyoto Protocol "liberal" makes it obvious that you don't even know what you're talking about. The Kyoto Protocol is about as liberal as Herbert Hoover.
Fox news...funny but im affraid not
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http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/kyoto-is-ineffective.html
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Kyoto_Count_Up.htm wouldnt let me linkage the last 3 links....definatly check the last one out though
BTW Im not against saving the environment...I just think the kyoto accord is not the way to go...Or at least not for america...I would much rather see the the money (some estimated 450 mil/year) being invested in hydrogen r&d...believe me when hydrogen cars are more available and my city has a fuel station w/hydrogen I will be among the first to buy one.
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