And the reason we need this is...?

If there was a t2 venture, what would it's target audience be?

We can start out with the assumption that anyone able to fly a t2 venture is already capable of affording and flying mining barges.

We can also assume that even a t2 venture will not be able to mine as much as a mining barge would, and that even for mining in potentially hostile areas, a t2 venture is likely to be a poor choice for ore mining due to the small income.

In which case, the t2 venture would essentially be a straight upgrade to the purpose of gas mining.

That being said, between the plus two warp core and interdiction nullification, I prefer the current warp core version.

This is because a venture hauls ass. From the moment a fleet and sabre land on a group of ventures and deploys a bubble, that fleet only has a few seconds to get as many points of scrams on as many ventures as they can because any venture not afk is likely going 3.7m/sec and has anywhere from +2 to +4 points of scram resistance in several directions. Since it only takes 4-5 seconds from full stop to clear a bubble anyway, a ventures main concern is getting away from enough points of scramming to warp.

Even in WH's, jumping a large group of ventures by surprise typically only results in a few kills because so many of them burn out of bubble and warp before points and webs can be applied. They are slippery buggers.

I'm not necessarily opposed to a t2 venture, I'm just not sure how it would fit into the current venture use as an improvement, which I do not view interdiction nullification instead of +2 warp core as improving.

i see your point. however, barges do not have any hope of getting out of a bubble. so high sec miners looking to get the better quality ores, will NEVER use barges. and yes, i can understand that ventures are fast, but if you are solo, and you just want to mine, getting caught at gate bubbles, then later getting podded because you cant get out, is a real pain in the ass. if you remove the +2 warp core stab, it would only require a disruptor. its a trade off, being able to get through bubbles, but being EXTREMELY easy to point.

Is a tradeoff of debatable improvement really worthy of a new ship with an increase in ship tech level?
I'm still not seeing any compelling argument for introducing another ship.

And frankly, if you are mining in a venture in hostile space without a POS or station, and randomly warping to gates with hostiles in system while not having eyes on gate, then you deserve to be be a Darwin.

maybe not a T2 variant, but another T1 variant. like there are multiple T1 barges, could have multiple T1 mining frigs.

the point of a venture is to be fleeting. you can bounce off planets (i do) and such, but people are smart, some gates will be prepared for that.

"The Venture is a Frigate designed for mining in hostile environments." https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Venture

it seems to me like the venture was designed to mine in hostile space... and, look at the barges. they are slightly different. and like i said in my original post, other balances would be needed.

And they gave you a very fast, very agile, high cargohold frigate with a built in warp core stabilization bonus. Sounds like a ship for mining in semi-hostile space to me.

They did not however make a frig with the stated purpose of "Prevents effects of stupid decisions like (intentionally or because of carelessness) warping towards easy to avoid hostile camps of people who want to kill you."

and even if you do spy a gate camp. what happens when you want to go through it.

and even if you do spy a gate camp. what happens when you want to go through it.

either you are trying to antagonize me, or you arent a miner. sometimes you cant avoid gate camps, and if you decide to not go through them you dont make a profit. im sorry to say, but not everything revolves around combat in EVE...

We can also assume that even a t2 venture will not be able to mine as much as a mining barge would, and that even for mining in potentially hostile areas, a t2 venture is likely to be a poor choice for ore mining due to the small income.

In which case, the t2 venture would essentially be a straight upgrade to the purpose of gas mining.

Indeed. Further specialising the Venture into gas harvesting (a niche not currently served by the mining barges) would be the logical progression for a T2 variant, and consistent with CCP's approach to T2 development. The question then becomes, I think, whether there's any real need for a more potent gas harvester, given how successful the Venture already is in that role.

industry ships have always been at the mercy of combat ships. its time that industry can have a leg up on combat ships... its ridiculous that combat ships have all this technology, yet industry ships dont see any of it.

theres one thing that makes all those ships you mentioned useless. bubbles. what good is a 200mil cloaky hauler if you get bubbled, and you get decloaked because you get bubbled. its stupid.

for heaven's sakes! the venture has a 3rd highslot - USE IT FOR A CLOAK, then you can use your drones for defense against the rats, if there are any, and you can warp to your safe and cloaky up - the aggresssors will eventually leave...

for heaven's sakes! the venture has a 3rd highslot - USE IT FOR A CLOAK, then you can use your drones for defense against the rats, if there are any, and you can warp to your safe and cloaky up - the aggresssors will eventually leave...