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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 04:13:00 -
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Why on earth can't these buggers "attack" my own ship?!
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.17 04:15:00 -
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because there support drones, theyd be way to good if they worked on yourself..
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 04:34:00 -
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Fuzzy logic.
Why aren't they considered "too good" in a fleet then?
If I sacrifice drone space from drones that can attack, why the heck is it overpowered to have them repair their own ship?
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.04.17 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Fuzzy logic.
Why aren't they considered "too good" in a fleet then?
If I sacrifice drone space from drones that can attack, why the heck is it overpowered to have them repair their own ship?
qft, I thought they worked the other way until now 
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:07:00 -
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The problem is, they don't.
Since there's so little information available how drones work, I've been training drones up to Level V, just to get these buggers to work. And now I find out the hard way that they can't repair my own ship.
And if you suggest that I should've asked everyone before trying it out, you're just not getting it.
You can't be bloody expected to ask for every feature you train, if it works the way it seems.
Or should I expect that mining drones can only bring ore to other ships as well?
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:14:00 -
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How exactly is that fuzzy? They're not "too good" in fleets because you *GASP* need other people to use them on you. It's too easy for people tank as it is these days, the last thing we need is people with drones that sustain a tank for no cap cost.
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:23:00 -
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There logistic drones, the drone equivalent to remote sheild and armour modules. Its as simple as that.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:29:00 -
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Simple solution:
Target your ship.
Tell your lil' fun scooters to engage your target.
Or just use your remote armor repair module or a shield transfer system.
(Sorry, must be a hard boiled egg oversupply hitting me badly this morning. It is just the way the drones are designed, and it makes sense as they have always been sold to us by the devs to only repair other ships.)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.17 10:31:00 -
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remote shield transfers don't work on you, do they?
thats because they are logistics (gang support) modules. same with LOGISTICS drones. theres a reason they aren;t called "solo pwnmobile" drones
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:05:00 -
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Then i'd suggest ccp adds some dronespace to the basilisk so i can stick a few shieldboostingdrones in it as well. 
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Then i'd suggest ccp adds some dronespace to the basilisk so i can stick a few shieldboostingdrones in it as well.
Yes, I agree. Or just allow basilisk to deploy Gang Support drones only.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Fuzzy logic.
Why aren't they considered "too good" in a fleet then?
If I sacrifice drone space from drones that can attack, why the heck is it overpowered to have them repair their own ship?
Because then you'd have more people soloing in a MMO?
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have 5 light shield drones in my ferox t rep my passive tank even better, but it'd just be too strong solo wise.
Just get a blackbird or something like that to follow you.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:28:00 -
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I bet frig pilots don't complain about shield/armor drones being just as effective on them as they are on bigger ships...
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Yual
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:29:00 -
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Well I thought I'd be funny and nos one of my own drones to refil my cap while I was scooping loot before moving on. First the bugger attacked me, then all my drones started attacking each other. Now that I remember this I have something to try when I get home(damn my working midnight to noon 4 days a week  )
Also does anyone know if drones run out of cap?? I'm sorta worried that I'll base a tank off these buggers and come to find out that they quit on me as my ship explodes 
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:32:00 -
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still its idiotic you cannot tell your repair drones or shield boost drones to rep/boost yourself.. i mean, we could do that level of programming today, and eve plays some 20000 years in the future...
and for people saying it would be overpowered... what keeps you from shooting away that drones? its not like they would be invulnerable or something
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 17/04/2006 16:27:16
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 17/04/2006 16:27:02
Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
still its idiotic you cannot tell your repair drones or shield boost drones to rep/boost yourself.. i mean, we could do that level of programming today, and eve plays some 20000 years in the future...
and for people saying it would be overpowered... what keeps you from shooting away that drones? its not like they would be invulnerable or something
Precisely.
Besides, the ships that can have enough of them, to regenerate the shields at an enough rate to give you any decent regen/ps already are in a division where they take tremendous amount of damage to compensate for it.
Drones are easy to pop, if you're in PvP. And rats already target them.
And since the thing would be available to everyone, how is that "overpowered"?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:54:00 -
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You trained for an item you failed to research properly and now its idiotic.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:58:00 -
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Considering CCP want to make PvP combat last longer I dont see repair or shield booster drones that you can use on yourself to be that bad an idea. Although, I expect it'd require a bit more code... somone got lazy in the Dev's office.
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Munjo Jerry
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:25:00 -
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ccp have been woundering how to make combat longer in game. thye just found it.
but ccp being ccp wont do it and rather nerf guns some more lol in future it will get to a point that ramming into each other is the only way to kill peeps.
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
You trained for an item you failed to research properly and now its idiotic.
Yes, it became idiotic with your reply.
Like I explained earlier. There is no explanation available, either in-game, or in the Item Database, that the shield maintenance bots do not work on your own ship.
Just like there's no information saying Miner bots do not work on your own ship. Or that combat drones, in-fact, do not combat your own ships.
Your position is just apologetic.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.17 19:07:00 -
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You can't use any drones on your own ship.
The devs stated it will be like that from the start.
I guess it is equal part avoiding massive aggro management problems and prolonging (partially) unwanted solo hunting.
EVE aggro management is more hack than anything else. There have been so many changes i nthe implementation reintroducing long fixed bugs it is not funny. That firing a weapon at an opponent doesn't call CONCORD's wreath upon your ship is all. It took a long time until remote repair and support modules didn't count as aggressive acts in most situations in empire.
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General Tzu
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Posted - 2006.04.17 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
still its idiotic you cannot tell your repair drones or shield boost drones to rep/boost yourself.. i mean, we could do that level of programming today, and eve plays some 20000 years in the future...
and for people saying it would be overpowered... what keeps you from shooting away that drones? its not like they would be invulnerable or something
that's an easy one. this game has quite a few aspects that rely heavily on fiction rather than reality. it's not sensible to use fiction as a role to justify reality (he got away with murder on law & order, why can't I?!?) just the same as we can't use reality to justify wants in-game.
CCP does a pretty good job as it is coming up with storylines that explain why things are the way they are. please don't make it even more difficult to balance by trying to bring the rules of reality into the "balance" equation...because reality is far less balanced than this game is..
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.18 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
still its idiotic you cannot tell your repair drones or shield boost drones to rep/boost yourself.. i mean, we could do that level of programming today, and eve plays some 20000 years in the future...
and for people saying it would be overpowered... what keeps you from shooting away that drones? its not like they would be invulnerable or something
Nobody uses shield or armor drones in PK, they use them in PvE, and until NPCs start blowing drones out of space like players do, it's not going to happen.
Quit asking, your drones will never be allowed to work on yourself, ever. That's the cold hard truth. the day they do, is the day I use remote armor reps on myself.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.18 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Drones are easy to pop, if you're in PvP. And rats already target them.
And since the thing would be available to everyone, how is that "overpowered"?
If you know how to use your drones, and how to draw aggro properly, NPCs will never touch your drones.
Also, having had my passive ferox tanked with the help of a corpmate's ferox's 5 light drones, I can and will say alot of people who claim it's not overpowered, haven't got a clue. They're very powerful
I'd love to see an AF getting boosted by 5 heavy shield or armor drones. No NPC short of something horrifically powerful (Ultima), would kill it. Ofcourse in PVP it'll be different, but everyone goes with a good offense, or ewar drones maybe.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:42:00 -
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Alright, logistic and service drones can't be tasked to work on the drone user's ship.
What about the drone user's other drones? Can you use an armor repair drone to repair the armor on your other damaged combat drones? Thanks.
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