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Branco	Posted - 2006.04.17 13:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Branco on 17/04/2006 13:52:31 Next month it will be the anniversery of murderer of the Amarrian emperor. No news have come out yet about anything of interest to the Amarrians, and although I was hoping that the new tetrimon event a couple of weeks ago was going to do something about this... it doesn't seem like it. This sounds a bit odd to me, if it was the leader of any other nation that died it could be understood, especially in the case of the gallentes where I expect there is a vice-president that is in charge until the next ellection (like the Amarrians have now someone in place of the Emperor) but for the Amarrs it makes no sense. An Empire without an Emperor just doesn't work. I think in the real world the thing we have most like the hierarchy of the Amarr Empire is (to my knowledge) the Catholic Church. For those in the western world when the last Pope died I think most of us were aware of the process of succession to a new one, a thing that required: 1) A meeting 2) Some days - weeks Then a successor was found. So my feelings is that this event is pretty much screwed up, and since it is over a year ago, can someone at CCP just arrange that the Privy council meets or whoever declares the Emperor and give the Amarrians a new emperor? Come on... its silly already. Speaking of silly, I already made plenty of mockery at my Gallente friends but I think its over the mark here... the gallente elections started before the death of the Doriam, so well over a year ago and we never heard anything ever since. When I try to explain the political situation to any new pilot (yes, some of us care) the first thing they ask me is if Foiritan did a coup d'etat which really... there is no in character answer anyone can give... I mean, which nation takes over one year to vote? They should start an ellection as soon as the current one is over, just to make sure they have a new president when this term is over. And since we're speaking of governments... some short storys / chronicles about the way the governmetns of the Minmatar Tribes and the Caldari state work would be sweet. I think that CCP is lately letting these things go by the side and not caring anymore about the story, it is a shame because what first brought me to EVE was the rich backstory it had, I literraly mean that... I spent two weeks reading the fiction before I downloaded the client and went for the trial. EVE without role play has no meaning to me (hey, each guy plays the way he enjoys), I would so please ask CCP, now that you invested so much money in hardware, can you please spend a little bit hiring one guy or two that wouldn't do anything else but care about these things, about the history and background of the world, AURORA is great and all but they are very limited in what they can touch, if these events and future ones are going to ever end in a gracefull way they need the full attention of someone at CCP and not someone that has to stop the events because a critical bug has appeared. So, pretty please? Make the world move like it used to? And since I'm begging... that year overview thing is really cool, maybe someone could do the year 106 and 107 now? Forguive my english and sorry for the long post, just shows I care. Edit: Actually I need to correct this, the Amarr Emperor Doriam II was assassinated last July, not May as I implied at the beguinning. I am pretty sure the Gallente elections started over a year ago though.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2006.04.17 13:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/04/2006 14:00:12 You know things are really bad when even Minnies are wanting a new Emperor! CCP, you're seriously in danger of dropping the ball here, some movement on the Emperor and President storylines would be much appreciated. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Cotton Tail	Posted - 2006.04.17 14:30:00 - [3] Bah more storyline content in general. At the moment most news items are just 0.0 space happenings which you can read about on the forums about a week before the news item is posted. More events please, you made the universe, now do something with it.
Tuang Pao	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:03:00 - [4] We must assume that CCP is doing what is the highest priority for them. During my three months in EVE they have: Upgraded the servers Released two patches Chased a memory leak bug Attended a player held gathering in Las Vegas Recovered from illness and injury Done database maintenance If they're working on anything else we haven't seen the results yet. It seems there's too much work and not enough people to do it at CCP. If they had adequate staff then story line development and much needed user interface tuning would have already occured. Such things haven't happened, so they must be prioritizing in favor of more important tasks. Suggestions: Play the game as it is and be patient. Suspend your account and come back in 6 months or a year. Find another game and put EVE behind you. Cheers!
Velsharoon	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/04/2006 14:00:12 You know things are really bad when even Minnies are wanting a new Emperor! CCP, you're seriously in danger of dropping the ball here, some movement on the Emperor and President storylines would be much appreciated. I think its pretty clear the ball has been dropped. The trillion ammarrians must be really ****ed off by now... Need a new sig :/
Crobain Stalker	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:41:00 - [6] Remember this Devblog from Oct '05? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=281
Kylania	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Tuang Pao Upgraded the servers Released two patches Chased a memory leak bug Attended a player held gathering in Las Vegas Recovered from illness and injury Done database maintenance I think the OP's point was that the events are run by the ISD:AURORA team, a team of volunteers that are responsible for none of the above. Now, there is a Dev dedicated to backstory and events, but even he was pulled away for patch content, having only recently started back up with Chronicles and the like. Hopefully we'll see more soon. -- Lil Miner
Branco	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Crobain Stalker Edited by: Crobain Stalker on 17/04/2006 15:56:55 Remember this Devblog from Oct '05? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=281 After that blog I think the Gallente elections went to the jurisdiction of AURORA instead of CCP. I don't think it was a good move and the results seem to agree with me, its around 6 months and AURORA is still more interested in "lets shoot them" kind of events than in actual story development. And don't take this the bad way, you're volunteers... you do what is fun for you, this is also why I think CCP should hire someone to do the work instead of relying on volunteers. But that blog really says it all. There are 9 people working on the story department, none of them are doing it full time so guess what? No one cares.
Spleef	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Cotton Tail More events please, you made the universe, now do something with it. That post tickled me, it seemed like mankind turning to the almighty and saying "we're bored, new content plz!" Perhaps CCP's answer might be "It's your universe now, make your own storyline"
Branco	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Spleef Perhaps CCP's answer might be "It's your universe now, make your own storyline" Perhaps they should have thought of that before assassinating the Amarrian Emperor or calling on Gallente elections?
Anatolius	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake You know things are really bad when even Minnies are wanting a new Emperor! You've beaten me to it, Rodj. /me holds out an empty glass. "More rich, chocolatey storyline, please."
Merak Nat'al	Posted - 2006.04.17 20:08:00 - [12] I'd like to have a real base storyline... Or I'll just change to a fps game instead of a RPG. What would i RP? a... err... Stry please CCP, TY
Chaw Braiker	Posted - 2006.04.17 20:15:00 - [13] Yeah, major bumpage from me. I've been around for a while now and CCP's record in this area is spotty at best. Events or storylines really feel disconnected and come in spurts. A shame really because Eve is one of the games with biggest RP potential, where you have a lot of freedom to create a persona versus just level up a character. May I add into this my personal concerns with Kali? Seems to me that there's a lot of focus on getting into something that will turn Eve into a FPS battleground, but not a lot of interest put into fostering RP. As Branco says, many storylines are really stale, just as some of the content on the site. Those of us who RP find it increasingly difficult to defend our positions on certain matters when they have been stuck in the mud for so long. And if the backstory is fading away, how can it be expected that suddenly we'll have full-scale war? Maybe CCP wants to woo more trigger-happy players (of which I guess there are more out there) but I just hope they can keep out of that me-too game and play out the huge potential Eve has a persistent, rich, interactive roleplay engine.
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.18 09:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 18/04/2006 09:59:43 Originally by: Spleef Perhaps CCP's answer might be "It's your universe now, make your own storyline" Not possible in empire space to have any influence on the main empires' storyline unless previously scripted by CCP. Your comment would only apply to 0.0 space. Aurora and CCP need to review the direction they are taking roleplaying in this game. The lack of storyline updates and Aurora interaction is really quite dissapointing. Sporadic events and virtually no communication between the empires and its loyal followers really screws up the immersion factor. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:02:00 - [15] Kali.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:30:00 - [16] I concur. I think we will see the rise of Amarr in Kali, and hopefully they will get unnerfed as well. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 18/04/2006 11:02:34 Originally by: Imperial Coercion Kali. There is nothing stopping the Aurora team from interacting more often in this version of Eve. Kali brings more tools to the table, sure, but to use it as an excuse for the lack of roleplay and co-ordinated events from the event team is pretty poor imo. Even taking part in the 'intergalactic summit' as members of the Empire factions would be nice. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Aodha Khan There is nothing stopping the Aurora team from interacting more often in this version of Eve. They as everyone else is following a time schedule. They did some massive recruiting not long ago from the looks of it, and thus they are probably training their new staff as we speak. So they most likely have set an ETA for when they will become fully operational. Since Kali will bring alot of changes to the faction thingy its only realistic to estimate that Kali will be the new damn of Aurora. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:53:00 - [19] content and storyline teams are busy with china (eve TQ has been dropped and forgotten) its just the way it is when $$$$ are involved.
Branco	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Slaveabuser I concur. I think we will see the rise of Amarr in Kali, and hopefully they will get unnerfed as well. I don't get it... so what will Kali do? Is there a magic wand? Basically what you're saying is that Kali going to bring more roleplay to the table, I not only disagree with that (shooting people is not in itself roleplay) but I say this does nothing for the storylines if they don't finish them first. Why do I want more story arcs if none of them is finished? And the "dawn" of AURORA thingy... they just can't mess up with the important fiction like that, only CCP can determine where the fiction it goes.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/04/2006 12:23:11 Originally by: Branco I don't get it... so what will Kali do? Factional warfare = the increase of cross empire events? Quote: Is there a magic wand? O dont belive in magic. Quote: Basically what you're saying is that Kali going to bring more roleplay to the table, I not only disagree with that (shooting people is not in itself roleplay) but I say this does nothing for the storylines if they don't finish them first. Because upto now the storyline has been neglected. And since Kali gives love to the storyline its only logical to assume this is when it will happen. Quote: Why do I want more story arcs if none of them is finished? Who says they wont be finished? Quote: And the "dawn" of AURORA thingy... they just can't mess up with the important fiction like that, only CCP can determine where the fiction it goes. who do you think Aurora works for? Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:31:00 - [22] Factional warfare = the increase of cross empire events? I can already declare war on corporations whom are loyal to a faction. Amarr v Minmatar has been going on for 3 years. Kali brings nothing to the roleplay/storyline table as far as I can see. Kali will allow me to join a faction side (officially) and shoot at someone on the other side. How is this going to enhance the roleplay and storyline? Doesn't it need someone like Aurora to actually take part? Please, don't tell me they have been 'in training' for the last 3 years. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Burlock Ironfist	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:35:00 - [23] Yeh its about time there are more empire events and less 10 dreads turned up to shoot some POS's with other dreads in 0.0 events.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Aodha Khan Factional warfare = the increase of cross empire events? I can already declare war on corporations whom are loyal to a faction. Amarr v Minmatar has been going on for 3 years. Good for you, you also know you can decleare war on anyone you want right? Quote: Kali brings nothing to the roleplay/storyline table as far as I can see. Kali will allow me to join a faction side (officially) and shoot at someone on the other side. How is this going to enhance the roleplay and storyline? Have you ever read a FULL in depth description of Kali? I dont think there is such a thing yet. Quote: Doesn't it need someone like Aurora to actually take part? Please, don't tell me they have been 'in training' for the last 3 years. If you insert a memory implant you might remember they had a recruiting campaign not long ago. So its obvious they are up to something. Think------>post. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:58:00 - [25] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 18/04/2006 12:59:46 Originally by: Slaveabuser Have you ever read a FULL in depth description of Kali? If you insert a memory implant you might remember they had a recruiting campaign not long ago. So its obvious they are up to something. Yes, I read EON #2. Can you explain what Kali is going to bring to enhance the storyline and roleplay that can't be done already? My memory implant tells me this isn't the first false dawn from Aurora. How long have you been around btw? So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 13:05:00 - [26] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/04/2006 13:05:13 Originally by: Aodha Khan Yes, I read EON #2. Can you explain what Kali is going to bring to enhance the storyline and roleplay that can't be done already? Probably alot of things we dont know about. Wait and see. Quote: My memory implant tells me this isn't the first false dawn from Aurora. How long have you been around btw? 2003. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Branco	Posted - 2006.04.18 13:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Slaveabuser Probably alot of things we dont know about. Wait and see. Ironic, because that is what the original post was all about. We have been waiting, for over a year actually, guess what? We don't see much. I did see at least 3 previous "dawns" of AURORA and i'm only here since 2004.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.18 13:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/04/2006 13:12:34 Originally by: Branco We have been waiting, for over a year actually, guess what? We don't see much. Kali. Factional warfare. Soon.tm etc. Granted, your point is perfectly valid. And we can do nothing but speculate. Personally I think this time it will mount to something. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Chai N'Dorr	Posted - 2006.04.18 13:15:00 - [29] Whenever something like these RPG questions surface, the answers are the same: Soon(tm) or Wait till Kali A lot of the RPG oriented Corps have done a lot on a box and a shoe string, but the box is slowly falling apart and the string is more a thread now. Obviously we do not need a lot, but we do need something. And preferably before Kali. The new Bloodlines that got added have to go from just a few lines of text in the description and the Khanid are the luckiest with some reference in the Amarr history. The rest is left out. New hardware, toys and goodies is all nice. But I really feel CCP let's down the RPG community in Eve. Let's us just hanging on... a few months back we (JF) got a message from SOE about some needed help. We responded and "That's all she wrote". I'll put my voice down as well: Yes, we want a new Emperor or some official statement Yes, we want to know who the new President will be Yes, we want a continuation of the Caldari Races Yes, we want a Minmatar event as well that actually finishes Yes, we want more backgrounds on the new Bloodlines Throw us a bone here, CCP. _ Short Story: Planetside
Smagd	Posted - 2006.04.18 14:56:00 - [30] Maybe there just aren't too many AURORA volunteers. That sticky's been up there for an awfully long while. What's going on in places like EC-P8R lately isn't too boring really. That's all self-made. Apart from that, well yes, of course there's waiting even longer for more empire action - and yes, we Minnies want a new Emperor, too, keeping all you holders distracted so we can free a few more bethren somewhere. Oh, and maybe take another lucky pot shot at him. So, conversationally, has it ever occurred to you to inaugurate your own new emperor, the misters Blake and friend? Would give you someone to die for after all.
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.19 06:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Smagd Maybe there just aren't too many AURORA volunteers. That sticky's been up there for an awfully long while. Would be nice to get some feedback from someone in Aurora or CCP on what is going on. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Nebulai	Posted - 2006.04.19 07:14:00 - [32] Heya, Aurora cannot move on areas such as the Amarr Emp, Insorium Arc, G - Elections etc without direct motivation and guidance from CCP. These are firmly sat in CCP's lap at this time. The only factions we have the nod to go with ourselves are the current 0.0 factional events that are happening with the Guristas, Arch Angels & Serpentis. It hurts us as much (if not more) that these story lines are not moving and that players are becoming annoyed with them, believe me if we could move them - it would be done already. This was discussed just yesterday with CCP, I'm not going to make any promises as they are not mine to make and too many false ones have been made - all I can say is that the appropiate people are aware of what is required. As for Aurora being inactive, I disgress - ignoring the areas we cannot touch (mentioned above), we have 5 Senior Producers (the guys authorised to work on Prime Fiction) in full swing with the 0.0 factions and driving these story events through. The normal producers (currently around 20-25) are still performing their Tier1 & Tier2 events regulary in both Empire and 0.0 space. The new recruitment drive has introduced another 20-30 actors who are in training to become producers. Am i happy with how Aurora is going? For the time being yes, however i'm always striving to improve the events we perform in EVE for the players. Whether that means changing our policies, recruiting more staff - or beating Gnauton with a stick until he does something we require.
Paxtan Staark	Posted - 2006.04.19 08:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Aodha Khan Factional warfare = the increase of cross empire events? I can already declare war on corporations whom are loyal to a faction. Amarr v Minmatar has been going on for 3 years. Kali brings nothing to the roleplay/storyline table as far as I can see. Kali will allow me to join a faction side (officially) and shoot at someone on the other side. How is this going to enhance the roleplay and storyline? Doesn't it need someone like Aurora to actually take part? Please, don't tell me they have been 'in training' for the last 3 years. /signed If anyone thinks Faction Warfare will bring in more RP then you are sadly mistaken. What will we have? EVE's version of capture the flag, dynamic ownership of contested territories between the factions when the PVP is taken into empire space for the ones that sign up on one side... I wouldn't call that RP.. only things to RP around. Also you have to consider that many in EVE aren't RP:ers, I bet we are a small small % of the total playerpopulation. Slaveabuser - you were asking if anyone had seen an indepth Kali description. No, there is none as you say. But on FanFest 2005 during the around the table session regarding RolePlay it turned into Faction Warfare talk.. that is where we were told how the basics of faction warfare will most likely work. So NO - Faction Warfare is not roleplay from CCP. It will be a bigger dynamic system for storyline development that we as players create with the means of shooting eachother.. Again, it will be something more for us to RP around and a way to interact. I for one hope we will see CCP/Aurora played generals or similar from the factions. THEN you'll have RP in Faction Warfare. Static NPCs won't really satisfy my RP vein.. :P PVP = RP? No, but a way to express views and to change people's mind. PVP is a tool for RP, but I don't RP just because I kill someone and say "yarr, pheer the grimm pirate from the north!" Am I pleased with what we see from Aurora. Yeah pretty much, larger factions moving which we didn't have 1 year ago. One can see that changes has taken place. Fun to read about and to look into how to toy with. Then it is sad that ALL of EVE's players aren't RP:ers. That would be kind of cool :P ..oh and I would also like to see an emperor.. amarrian loyalists needs guidance.. ------------------- Paxtan Staark Captain and 2nd in Command Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Chaw Braiker	Posted - 2006.04.19 18:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Chaw Braiker on 19/04/2006 18:44:27 It's a shame really that so many people confuse RP with a reason for shooting another player. Roleplaying is all about acting out a character using whatever mechanisms are available in the game. Most of the time shooting is not involved: there is no way to win in RP. Unfortunately the mechanisms in Eve don't seem to be getting better for RP. Storylines are dying slowly, development focus is on capture-the-flag and player rankings *(see )*, events are mostly inconsequential (sorry Aurora, I know you're trying but you're on a leash), background on certain game concepts is lacking, etc. Don't know much about COSMOS, but when I last investigated it seemed to me like agents in space, but maybe I'm missing something. It says a lot about Eve that even with the 'freeze' on RP it is still the best game for RP out there. And the really interesting thing about Eve is that you can have RP and non-RP people immersed in the environment and playing together. I have no delusions, the RP community is small, but it's the smell of the lost opportunity to create a rich RP environment that makes it so frustrating. By the way, in EON#2 there was a quote from Noah Ward stating that he and Gnauton were working on making sure that RP and factional warfare in Kali 'link up and make sense'. That's all fine, but until then we're stuck with things that don't make sense, like headless Empires and silent governments. I can't find a better game out there, and CCP does a good job of talking and listening. It would be nice to hear their comments on this thread... ()Quote from Oveur's October DevBlog: "We're focusing on Factional Warfare in Kali since it includes Combat Organization, the project name for better fighting hierarchies and gang abilities, Medals and Certifications both for awarding by EVE through factional warfare but also for corps or alliances to give internally, Ranks for better visible organizations which should also benefit corporations and a number or ranking lists, such as the EVE Combat Rating which is ELO based."
Allarahca	Posted - 2006.04.28 11:38:00 - [35] Sorry for the necromancy. Just wanted to say THANK YOU over the recent news of the Gallente Elections. I am having faith that this means an ending is on the horizon this time
Branco	Posted - 2006.04.28 11:38:00 - [36] ^^ That was me

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