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Tabs27
Resilient Roamers
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Posted - 2014.02.25 10:33:00 -
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I have advised my friend who is a month old, to do High Sec missions
I am wondering if there's any other ways for a new pilot to make some decent ISK?
Wormholes and Incursions are far too complex for him at the moment. I recommended for him to train his core skills and support skills up for now, rather than jumping into a tech 1 cruiser with weak skills. He plans to do PvP.
I can only think of two ways for him to make ISK at the moment: High sec missions Taking a tech 1 frigate to null sec and looting/salvaging (he would gain experience in null sec and learn the mechanics to help him with his PvP) I am guessing that profit comes with research. How about DED sites and a little bit of trading (very basic)? What would you say is beneficial for a new player? [Videos] EVE Online Youtube Playlists: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318601 |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2799
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Posted - 2014.02.25 11:11:00 -
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Ratting belts in null sec is profitable and can be done with a cheap ship. He won't be able to loot much, but the bounties should be worth a decent amount. Oh god. |
voetius
BITB Support Services
190
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Posted - 2014.02.25 11:14:00 -
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One thing that could work is to get your friend to train up for a Noctis and just hang out in mission hubs and ask politely in local chat if anyone has wrecks they don't want. Offer to send them back 40% after you liquidate loot and salvage, if you do it right and prove you are reliable you could make anything up to 100m per hour if you are working flat out on good missions like Blockade, etc.
Even just doing a couple of crappy missions per hour you'd be looking at 20m per hour and there's not many newbie friendly professions that can better that - most of the high earning professions require some game knowledge and / or skills.
You might need to move around a bit to find somewhere that doesn't have a resident salvager from Pro Synergy, or just join Pro Synergy :)
The way it works is that people blue the wrecks, bookmark them and contract you the bookmark in the station. |
Chessur
xXFARMERS-LIBERATION-AUTHORITY-RELOADED-REDUXxX
300
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Posted - 2014.02.25 11:42:00 -
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Scam Run FW Plexes Rob WH corps Exploration
Running FW plexes, will probably net you the most isk, just FYI. Make sure you get in on a faction that is Tier 4 / 5 |
Malanior
Frenzy Farm
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Posted - 2014.02.25 12:21:00 -
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Buy Plex from CCP and sell it. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
144
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:04:00 -
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PI is the greatest isk for new players. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
754
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:05:00 -
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manufacturing and trade are prob the biggest isk income sources for an individual pilot. PI is easy and not time consuming. fleet warfare is easy and decent income. exploration for high sec combat sites or null sec hacking sites are easily accessable to a new player. (need level 4 hacking skills and a ship bonused for hacking). i made my first bill by 3 weeks of age by scanning and finding wormholes and then getting (in game) friends to run them whilst i looted and salvaged. i then sold the stuff and split the rewards. i was quickly able to join in as a drake can tank C3 sites and the class 1 and 2 wh's are super easy. salvager for hire is popular in many mission hubs. null sec belt ratting is easy but dull. missions are easy , dull and not a great income unless you have an uber 1200 dps missioning machine (ie not new players).
having said all this i would like to mention that new players will not have any sensible use for expensive stuff anyway and so the need for isk is minimal. The most important thing is to find something in eve that you enjoy and join a decent community that does that thing. Generally the fun stuff involves spending isk and the dull process of making isk is done to fund the fun stuff. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:17:00 -
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FW Farming Ratting Belts in Null Sec !!! GAS MINING !!!
Pi is a pretty solid passive income. (set for 7 days or so) |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
106
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:20:00 -
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Just to hammer the point home: do FW.
All he has to do is roll a new character and dplex I made one the day after Christmas and spent most of the next 32 hours more or less farming. Earned an average of 70m isk (value of LP no cashout) per hour. That includes the 10 hours I spent sleeping and the 4 I spent consuming other media...
Doesn't count the orca I got out of an idiot in militia chat, that's not farming FW, that's farming players. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
126
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:53:00 -
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Factional Warfare.
Fit a t1 frigate with a mwd and warp core stabs, go to a backend system, orbit buttons, make LP, buy stuff for LP, haul it to Jita, sell it.
Profit. |
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Aimy Maulerant
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.02.25 15:47:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Factional Warfare.
Fit a t1 frigate with a mwd and warp core stabs, go to a backend system, orbit buttons, make LP, buy stuff for LP, haul it to Jita, sell it.
Profit.
doesnt really work very well, never manage to finish a plex before someone else warps in and you either manage to get away or die, waste of time imo
i just buy a few plexes a month which ties me over to die some more
nullsec ratting is ok but you still need a decent amount of sp to compete with battleship rats, then the bounties aint much once you take into consideration the amount of ammo you use, the loot from rats is rubbish not even worth selling so process it and lose a ton of isk.
mining, boring and makes you wanna quit the game, especially in low/null as you cant afk mine
exploration is the most fun way to make isk ive tried, get scanning skills up a bit, cloaking too and search out data sites in null win the game and you get some decent loot, blueprints etc
salvaging also makes decent isk, i salvage ded sites in null once my corp clears them out as im not ready to solo them yet. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1861
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:42:00 -
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in order of personal preference: - lowsec/nullsec ratting in a speed tanked destroyer - fw plexes - 0.0 exploration - missions - PI - trade
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
404
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:36:00 -
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Buy a PLEX or two from CCP. Sell it on the market. There is your isk. Very simple & quick. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Dace Onio
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:09:00 -
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I honestly would advice NOT to buy a plex an sell it as a new player, for me anyhow it destroys something from the game as a new player, it takes something out of the game an can easily lead to boredom, i'd advice you to advice your friend to work for the isk as a new player either as u said by missioning or manufacturing, ratting etc.
What i did was start another account an basically trained it in mining/manufacturing/PI while this one trains for pvp, the "alt" makes enough per day to supplement atleast 3 accounts with ships n fittings easily aslong as i dont go crazy on the ship/fitting choices, the training this does for pvp also as you know compliments mission running so on this i also run missions with the "alt" again in a noctis looting/salvaging behind me, needless to say after only a couple of month im able to fit/buy all my ships an easily replace them just with a bit of work a coupla hours a week.
Yours/his choice though but again id advice against buying plex as a newb |
Silent Arthie
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:21:00 -
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For me personally, I made money through mining. Yes, mining IS boring; however, it's the best money you can make without having to do something more time consuming and less profitable such as cheap level 1 missions. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:25:00 -
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Mining worked for me, then mining and managing PI whilst mining., by which time I was up to lvl II missions. Level IV missions would pay better but I'm busy with invention.manufacture/making control towers now
Find what works for you and stick with it until you find something else you would rather do like exploration, combat anomalies etc...
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
108
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:04:00 -
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Aimy Maulerant wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Factional Warfare.
Fit a t1 frigate with a mwd and warp core stabs, go to a backend system, orbit buttons, make LP, buy stuff for LP, haul it to Jita, sell it.
Profit. doesnt really work very well, never manage to finish a plex before someone else warps in and you either manage to get away or die, waste of time imo i just buy a few plexes a month which ties me over to die some more nullsec ratting is ok but you still need a decent amount of sp to compete with battleship rats, then the bounties aint much once you take into consideration the amount of ammo you use, the loot from rats is rubbish not even worth selling so process it and lose a ton of isk. mining, boring and makes you wanna quit the game, especially in low/null as you cant afk mine exploration is the most fun way to make isk ive tried, get scanning skills up a bit, cloaking too and search out data sites in null win the game and you get some decent loot, blueprints etc salvaging also makes decent isk, i salvage ded sites in null once my corp clears them out as im not ready to solo them yet.
How bad at the game can you be? FW farming carries very little risk with most militia's current attitudes toward farmers. Orbit button at 25, hit dscan every 30 seconds or so, warp if you see anything. Warp back, they're already gone. Wow, so hard. |
Machagon
Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:13:00 -
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High Sec missions are the path of least resistance towards making decent isk without learning to play the game. But personally I would recommend, for the first little while, while he's playing around in t1 frigates and destroyers, that he either get into FW as others here have suggested, or head out to null sec, like you mentioned and loot/salvage the belt wrecks that ratters leave behind.
Both can provide a substantial income for new players (though converting your haul to isk can be challenging in the second case) and, more importantly, both will teach important PVP fundamentals like dscan, even if they run from every fight. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1878
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Posted - 2014.02.26 19:41:00 -
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Possibly repeating what others have said, but assuming you're ready for low-end missions...
1. Highsec anoms: same cost of entry as missioning, with added bonus of occassional commander wreck (nice drops, maybe some intact salvage) 2. Missioning, of course 3. PI if you have the isk to invest into it 4. Farm some COSMOS sites (without doing the COSMOS missions) for loot and salvage; just be aware that you'll probalby take a faction hit for doing it 5. IF you're not risk averse find some quiet low sec systems and do some ratting 6. If you don't mind the risk, join FW as others have suggested: doing offensive plexing yields very good LP which you can convert to ISK on the market
There are quite a few others but they require more-than-inconsequential ISK investment. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
123
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Posted - 2014.02.26 19:58:00 -
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voetius wrote: One thing that could work is to get your friend to train up for a Noctis and just hang out in mission hubs and ask politely in local chat if anyone has wrecks they don't want. Offer to send them back 40% after you liquidate loot and salvage, if you do it right and prove you are reliable you could make anything up to 100m per hour if you are working flat out on good missions like Blockade, etc.
QFT.
Actually you dont even have to tell anything about sending them money back. A lot of missionrunners dont actually salvage or loot the wrecks, just blitz throug the mission. And a lot of them happily send you the bookmark instead of giving the wrecks to a ninja.
Do this myself when I watch TV while doing missions. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
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Batelle
HOMELE55
1929
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:01:00 -
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belt/anom ratting mission salvaging exploration profession sites wh gas mining mining distribution missions combat missions courier contracts market oppourtunism (buy in hubs, sell in other places for profit, many other forms to snipe little bits of isk off the market) scamming suicide ganking haulers and frigates carrying expensive stuff faction warfare plexing low-end t1 manufacturing such as ammo. PI extraction planets PI factory planets
Plus he can join a corp where they'll pay him to do stuff, such as be a scout. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
123
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:06:00 -
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There are corps that pay you for beeing a scout?
I know of 100% reimburstment for scouts but this is new to me.
Anyway, sounds like a realy nice concept. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2027
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Posted - 2014.02.27 07:36:00 -
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You need like 2 days of training to run exploration plexes that give a better isk/hr rate than lvl 4 missions. do that. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
132
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Posted - 2014.02.27 18:11:00 -
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I wonder why not everyone is doing this when it is so easy. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:49:00 -
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Damien White wrote:There are corps that pay you for beeing a scout?
I know of 100% reimburstment for scouts but this is new to me.
Anyway, sounds like a realy nice concept.
Generally they don't pay you to scout per say, but if you are poor your ships get replaced in some way and you'll also get a cut of the loot. (Not to mention hero tackle tends to get isk thrown at them in the wake of a good fight.) Generally what happens is your corpmates will let you follow them around looting while they are running sites/missions, or ratting. Any corp who let's newbies in has an informal or formal set of things newbies can do to earn isk from PI, ratting, or the like. If it doesn't it's a bad corp, or a corp that shouldn't be taking in newbies.
The key is to let your corpmates know you are dirt poor without begging. If your only tackling frigate explodes don't whine, and demand a replacement. Say that was fun, but you need to go back and grind some more isk so you can pvp. For the average Eve player the cost of frigate is nothing. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
1969
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:59:00 -
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They won't pay you to scout in a pvp gang, but if I'm ratting, moving an expensive ship, or moving something else expensive, shooting some isk towards a rookie to help me out is nothing unusual. Its good for him and good for me. You don't always have an alt available. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
37
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:07:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:You need like 2 days of training to run exploration plexes that give a better isk/hr rate than lvl 4 missions. do that. Also, with those same skills (including learning to scan) you can also ninja salvage other people's lvl4 missions for decent ISK, if you want to also try out the 'messing with people' aspect of EVE |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
295
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:59:00 -
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Salvage!
Get a destroyer and fit 4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers.
Clean L4 mission runners missions for them and take a cut of 50%.
Enjoy the best new player income possible.
I've seen 2 day old players making over 10 mil an hour and once you have a noctis you can see well over 20 mil an hour.
If you get real social and become a known salvager you can clean more than one guy at a time using bookmarks.
You can see a solid 50 million per hour steady if you grow the business at a mission hub, act social and earn trust of the local L4 players.
Use any down time to play the market because you will get good at knowing the market if you payout the mission runners immediately based on the number in your cargo but keep the items to sell or reprocess as you see fit.
You can also use the ore / salvage to build the drones/ammo/rigs these runners use and stock the same hub you work out of with goods.
Double/Triple dip income. Get good with it and the sky is the limit.
Good luck. |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
346
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:26:00 -
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Station Trading. |
Gregor Parud
264
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:30:00 -
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If you're in high sec have a go at combat exploration, ignore anyone stating "high sec sucks for exploration" because it's REALLY good income, kinda relaxing and doesn't feel as grindy as doing missions. |
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