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Lazy8s
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:10:00 -
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Obviously I'm a newb. Right now I have a Raven that I think is setup rather well. I do Level 3 missions without breaking a sweat and low quality level 4 missions as well. Recently my newb corp got decced for no aparent reason by people we don't know and we decided what the heck we'll fight. So yesterday I went 1v1 with their only member close to my SP and won hands down. Then later that night they brought out 3 members that had been playing between 1.5 and 3 years to fight our 3 noobs (less than 2 mo old each) and made short work of 1 of our ships. They brought 2 Ravens and a Harpy. One of their Ravens (vs. our 3 ravens) was shooting T2 torpedos. How do I know? Cause he was hitting from 90+k out when we were struggling to get into range with our torps. It was insanely impressive which got me thinking.
I know in this game you really need to specalize in the beginning. I got my raven to run missions to make money and just recently started training for an interceptor because I know a few guys that fly them and PvP very well in them. My question is, would I possibly be better off training T2 torps or T2 cruise missiles instead? I like my Raven alot to be honest and I'm not 100% sure if I'll like the Interceptor style.
I was told that Ravens are crappy solo ships when I first got mine but looking at the T2 cruise missiles and torps they look like they could take an inty out easily if they were fitted right. Any thoughts of opinions? I read all the stickeys and they explained explosion velocity and sig. radius, I understand all that. I also know that what you can do in theory and what usually happens are totally different.
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Red Six
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:23:00 -
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Ravens used to be the n00b ship of choice as they took very little skill comparatively to fly versus any turret based ships as there were only about 8 missle skills and you could be in Torps and Cruise Missles on a Raven in about a month. When CCP introduced the missle changes and all the new missle skills people got upset at that.
The biggest reason they got upset as cruise missles no longer owned frigates, especially interceptors. Ravens became very vulnerable to 2 or 3 frigate sized vessels and alot of Raven pilots had problems adapting in the beginning.
I don't like interceptors, I can fly them but it's not my thing. I like to be in a big ship attempting to dish out damage. I'd focus on one thing first, since you seem to like the Raven focus on it first. Once you get that where you want it skillwise you can then go back and pick up the Interceptors. Some people are just the opposite and like Interceptors, you have to decide which you like best and have the most fun with, because if you aren't having fun it's not a good game experience. Bad game experiences just aren't worth the effort.
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Murauke
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:23:00 -
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Well, I fly an interceptor and they are pretty fun. I really think it would be best to just get a t1 frig and put a t2 mwd on it and a webber/scrambler and see if you like it. Soloing in a inty isn't hard at all, because you can pick your fights. But those fights are limited... by saying that, you are limited to fighting only t1 and t2 frigs. HOWEVER very experienced inty pilots can take out cruisers and battle cruisers by them selves.
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Krav
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:27:00 -
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Just be aware precision cruise missiles are getting nerfed because they happen to be a mite too powerful against frigates (some ppl say).
From a mission running perspective, t2 cruise offer the most adaptability in what they are effective against, a torp will always be battleship only, and less effective than cruise but still working well against crusiers.
From a pvp perspective, yeah, Raven's not your best choice at all. It only tanks while it has cap and the moment that disappears so does the Raven. Other ships manage cap much more effectively (*points to Dominix*). And armor tanking is more cap-efficient than shield tanking, hands down. Lastly, missiles take a while to strike, meantime turrets offer instant-hits. Thus why you hear that the Raven isn't the grandest idea.
Krav
P.S. Harpy isn't an interceptor, it's an assault frigate 
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Lazy8s
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lazy8s on 17/04/2006 20:39:03
^^ yeah I just kinda limped them togeather but you're right they are very different.
Ok, so the consensus is pretty much train the Raven if I like it but (especially with the nerf coming) they aren't great PvP boats? That kinda sux. Of course they should lose to 3 intys and 2 should be a good fight (I mean c'mon it's 2 T2s vs 1 BS)just the same as 1 T2 frig should get wasted by 2 BS. Oh well I'll keep doing some more research.
I tried a condor with nos/rockets/AB and it was fun to go that fast. The difference I seemed to notice was if things went bad they went REALLY bad REALLY fast. With that little cap and so much dependency on cap if I messed up I was a sitting duck. It seems like the Raven has a little more error margain. Anyways, the more comments the marrier. Thx so far!
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:39:00 -
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Ummm... A shield booster + amp + shield compensation skill is just almost as good as an armor repairer... Or its better, can't remember the exact numbers. Anyway some implants or faction loot make shield tanking totally own armor tanking.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Lazy8s
Edited by: Lazy8s on 17/04/2006 20:39:03
^^ yeah I just kinda limped them togeather but you're right they are very different.
Ok, so the consensus is pretty much train the Raven if I like it but (especially with the nerf coming) they aren't great PvP boats? That kinda sux. Of course they should lose to 3 intys and 2 should be a good fight (I mean c'mon it's 2 T2s vs 1 BS)just the same as 1 T2 frig should get wasted by 2 BS. Oh well I'll keep doing some more research.
I tried a condor with nos/rockets/AB and it was fun to go that fast. The difference I seemed to notice was if things went bad they went REALLY bad REALLY fast. With that little cap and so much dependency on cap if I messed up I was a sitting duck. It seems like the Raven has a little more error margain. Anyways, the more comments the marrier. Thx so far!
There are no official word on nerfing precisions as far as i know. Personally i dont think they should be nerfed at all since battleships like dominix can eat any frigate or cruiser alive with their drones. I dont really understand why people dont whine as much about that.
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Jezala
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jezala on 17/04/2006 21:12:51
Well the T2 torps will help you kill NPC battleships and the T2 cruise missiles are great for PvP. Either way, the training time for level 5 is going to be 25-30 days.
Before you make the the decision on T2 torps or cruise, I suggest you take a look at how you want to employ your midslots in the long run. Going to be doing lots of NPCing and missions, then look at T2 target painters, shields, and drones. PvPing...look at T2 ECM, dampeners, and armor tanking.
BTW, it wasn't the T2 Raven that won the fight. In fact, for the first minute of the engagement it was 3 Ravens agianst 1 Raven + harpy due to the fact that I had docked and unloaded my launcher earlier b/c of the precision torp's ship velocity penalty.
Simply put,
- you guys used the wrong damage type (he happened to tanked for exactly the damage you were throwing out)
- didn't make use of your drones
- were all shield tanking
You guys would have gotton the T1 raven had you employed all your firepower and had I not undocked in time to provide some support to my corpmate.
*edit - oh yeah, the fee just increased to 65 mil today
...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option. |
Lazy8s
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lazy8s on 17/04/2006 21:20:36
Edited by: Lazy8s on 17/04/2006 21:17:20
The fact that 2/3 of us were jammed didn't help but yeah it was the T2 torps. He was toast till you came out and then we were screwed. Not that that's the point of the thread. I'm just trying to decide Raven or Interceptor since I'm at that fork in the road. Last night we were screwed from the beginning considering your one toon has more SP than our entire corp.
It seems kinda counter-intuitive for Caldari to armor tank though doesn't it?
*EDIT we'll never pay.
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Jezala
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jezala on 17/04/2006 21:31:38
Originally by: Lazy8s
Edited by: Lazy8s on 17/04/2006 21:17:20
The fact that 2/3 of us were jammed didn't help but yeah it was the T2 torps. He was toast till you came out and then we were screwed.
It seems kinda counter-intuitive for Caldari to armor tank though doesn't it?
*EDIT we'll never pay.
Had one of you guys switched over to explosive torps then my corp mate would have died.
It has always been my opinion that the only proper way to fly a Raven is to shield tank it. I guess that comes from my experience of flying Scorpions. Those mid slots are just too valuable to throw away to a shield tank. Check around the forums for discussions on armor tanking Ravens. You'll find a plethora of possible configurations in comparison to the cookie-cutter shield tank configs.
Another thing to factor in your decision is how do you want to make isk in the long run? Mining, NPC belt rat hunting, Mission running, Trading, etc? I recommend getting your Raven skills up to the point where you are happy with it's isk generating capabilities. Once you're satisfied with that then move on to the inty.
...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option. |
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