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nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote so I dont know about others but id love to see a pocket carrier as im calling it, not limited to lowsec or lower security, but only capible of useing 5 fighters no bombers and able to use drones, no maine weapons and roughly the size of the orca. I beleive a ship of this caliber would change the roles of carriers in all fleets and create a new way of thinking on the battle fleild for low sec and war decked corps, please evemail me if you have a simular idea and we can pool togther are knowledge and gather others to petittion for it in a coming update, serious inquirys only please.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 150	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote First off this should be in features and ideas Secondly i personally dont think its a bad idea but carriers are pretty easy to get ino and allowing 5 fighters in highsec could create some interesting situations I do not think that it will ever happen. and if you strip out the fighters but still have it as you say then it already exists in highsec, we call it th space potatoe. Short version: Dont think CCP will let fighters be used in highsec. Domi covers the drone role easily.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:02:00 - [3] - Quote yes but only drones and there comes a point where the combat drones become a nusiance more then a threat, and theyre only really good for the ecm and other drones at that point. i had the domi in mind as i was thinking of this and althou the domi is a great drone ship it lacks that ummmph its drones truly need to win in a fight. thats my opinion of course....
Machagon Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny 28	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:03:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry, leave high sec if you want to play with the big boy toys, I'm afraid.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:04:00 - [5] - Quote and they have alloud for suicide gankers to use t3 in ganking what could be worse
Paikis Vapour Holdings 1084	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:04:00 - [6] - Quote Fighters are terrible; use the Dominix. Are is not the same as our. You ARE using the wrong word when you say you want to pool OUR knowledge.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:05:00 - [7] - Quote i live in low sec and dont care for the " BIG BOY TOYS" just wanna see more ships added in and change it up for the carebears
Paikis Vapour Holdings 1084	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:07:00 - [8] - Quote nex viii wrote: i live in low sec and dont care for the " BIG BOY TOYS" just wanna see more ships added in and change it up for the carebears Fighters are literally crap. They are worse than cancer. Use sentry drones and you'll be 100% happier.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote yes i agree sentrys are good to have but, its updates that have alloud for sentrys to become how they are eventually theyll be nerfed like everything does, and they like everything else will fall off the radar, as the introduction of new tech or updates happen.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 150	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:13:00 - [10] - Quote ok so with max skills an Archon can put out 500dps with fighters with nothing fitted to the hull, over 66% more than what a flight of 5 garde IIs can. this is just hull and drones. How are you planning to balance this? If you want to have your pocket carrier it still needs to be balanced.

Paikis Vapour Holdings 1085	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:27:00 - [11] - Quote Xylem Viliana wrote: ok so with max skills an Archon can put out 500dps with fighters with nothing fitted to the hull, over 66% more than what a flight of 5 garde IIs can. this is just hull and drones. How are you planning to balance this? If you want to have your pocket carrier it still needs to be balanced. EDIT: or maybe vs a non stationary drone, orge II flight is about 320 dps in an unfitted archon OK, now put Drone Damage Amplifier IIs on it. Then realise that Fighters have travel time and Sentry Drones don't. Then realise that Fighters don't hit anything smaller than a battleship very well, sentries do.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:28:00 - [12] - Quote I was thinking along the lines of a glass canon lots of damage but it itself with low armor and hull / sheilds, this would almost always limit it to fleet use since all you really gotta do is knock out the ship.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 150	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:37:00 - [13] - Quote Paikis wrote: Xylem Viliana wrote: ok so with max skills an Archon can put out 500dps with fighters with nothing fitted to the hull, over 66% more than what a flight of 5 garde IIs can. this is just hull and drones. How are you planning to balance this? If you want to have your pocket carrier it still needs to be balanced. EDIT: or maybe vs a non stationary drone, orge II flight is about 320 dps in an unfitted archon OK, now put Drone Damage Amplifier IIs on it. Then realise that Fighters have travel time and Sentry Drones don't. Then realise that Fighters don't hit anything smaller than a battleship very well, sentries do. My point is that if you want to bring fighters into highsec they need to be balanced, as they are now they would not be all that effective at killing stuff under BC size but in larger fights against Battleships and etc they're raw DPS on paper is too high. What im trying to say is that CCP are trying to balance things a bit, suddenly bringing in a "pocket carrier" could cause major unbalance. You will also notice that I edited in a comparison to ogre II's, these as you know do have travel time and would be a better comparision, add 4 DDA's to the fit and your raw DPS is more than fighters but the travel time is double. So show me how a pocket carrier can be a balanced ship in the game the way I see it they cant. the domi fills the role already and I cant see a way of adding fighters into highsec and having them able to be effective and balanced.
Notorious Fellon Republic University Minmatar Republic 239	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:49:00 - [14] - Quote Fix fighters first please. Then I may be on board a small carrier capable of fielding a small number of fighters. Depends on how the fighter rework goes and if it ever happens.
nex viii Heavy Metal Ballistics Astro Consortium 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:02:00 - [15] - Quote so how about this?make a fully dedicated drone ship like a carrier but no fighters which in it self is still a concept used for balancing highsec, none of the ships other then the domi at the moment are good drone support vessels in high sec but thats one ship which limits its abilitys initially ,so how about a bs class vessel that is truly dedicated to drone support for each class then ?

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 926	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:18:00 - [16] - Quote Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 252	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:21:00 - [17] - Quote Xylem Viliana wrote: ok so with max skills an Archon can put out 500dps with fighters with nothing fitted to the hull, over 66% more than what a flight of 5 garde IIs can. this is just hull and drones. I don't know what type of Archon you're flying... I show an unfitted Archon at 1000 DPS with Firbolg (5250 volley) compared to an unfitted Dominix at 450 DPS with Garde IIs (1800 volley). An unfitted Hype does 530 odd DPS on guns alone - if an Archon only did 500 there wouldn't be that much of an issue with "pocket carriers".
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1126	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:39:00 - [18] - Quote new stuff 'cause its cool'? these always go well. the only thing the fighters will be good at hitting in hi-sec are Orcas and freighters. couldnt u just use a domi and pretend ur heavies are fighters? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 150	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:40:00 - [19] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: Xylem Viliana wrote: ok so with max skills an Archon can put out 500dps with fighters with nothing fitted to the hull, over 66% more than what a flight of 5 garde IIs can. this is just hull and drones. I don't know what type of Archon you're flying... I show an unfitted Archon at 1000 DPS with Firbolg (5250 volley) compared to an unfitted Dominix at 450 DPS with Garde IIs (1800 volley). An unfitted Hype does 530 odd DPS on guns alone - if an Archon only did 500 there wouldn't be that much of an issue with "pocket carriers". my eft must be telling me lies then, do note im only using 5 fighters if your usig 10 then that explains it.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 252	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:26:00 - [20] - Quote 10 Fighters, yes. Because that's what a max skilled Archon will run without fittings... If they're only running 5 then hitpoints are about the only benefit - particularly if you have orca-like slot layouts and therefore fewer slots for DDAs than a Dominix, Amageddon, Rattler...etc. As an addendum to my previous: There are huge issues with "pocket carriers" beyond their damage output - particularly if they're Orca scale.



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