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Julius Cabeki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:54:00 -
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I would like ask your advice for my research project.
Gallentean ship designs generally include elements from living nature to improve the performance of the ships while one of key elements of cyber knighthood is to improve our living bodies with implants to better serve God. This parallel has been noted in knightmasters' books and it has been suggested that studying Gallente ships might deepen our faith and improve our combat capabilities.
Unfortunately knighmasters haven't search the topic much so there is very limited guidance available for my research. There is a great book about Caldari ships which is written by an engineer of Khanid Innovations. I am going to use it as a model for my research but it does not contain information about Gallente ships nor references to scriptures which I should consult while learning their capabilies.
I would appreciate both religious advice about the volumes of scriptures I should study and technical advice about the ships I should choose for tests. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
896
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:00:00 -
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Gallentean ships are filth just like their creators.
But I agree, that study of their ships can benefit and show how to slay these subhumans more efficiently.
Good luck and profits to you, Mr. Cabeki, and may your deeds help our cluster to get rid from gallentean infestations! |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:13:00 -
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Actually, the major reason why Gallentean ships often practice a curving aesthetic is a practical one, and it's the exact same one behind the Amarrian approach - a curved armour plate is more likely to present a deflecting angle - and thus a greater effective thickness - to incoming fire rather than a flat plate perpendicular to the shot.
The fact that this produces a look which is pleasing to the aesthetic traditions of those cultures is a happy bonus.
That being said, the internal primary structural components of a Vexor-class do form a helix, like a shell. It's a very efficient load-distributing and impact-absorbing structure.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:43:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Actually, the major reason why Gallentean ships often practice a curving aesthetic is a practical one, and it's the exact same one behind the Amarrian approach - a curved armour plate is more likely to present a deflecting angle - and thus a greater effective thickness - to incoming fire rather than a flat plate perpendicular to the shot.
The fact that this produces a look which is pleasing to the aesthetic traditions of those cultures is a happy bonus.
That being said, the internal primary structural components of a Vexor-class do form a helix, like a shell. It's a very efficient load-distributing and impact-absorbing structure.
This pretty much sums up what I would have to say. Personally, I would consider the Incursus, Vexor, Myrmidon, and Megathron to be designs well suited for study. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:00:00 -
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I happen to be a researcher on the topic. My research & development corporation, Minerva Technologies, currently focuses on Gallente Technology, military ships included. Although I usually charge for my expertise (It's how I currently make my bread), I may be willing to help a fellow scientist in the matter.
However, could you be more specific as to which kind of technical help concerning Gallente designs are you looking for? |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
DARKNESS.
4251
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Posted - 2014.02.27 11:02:00 -
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I'd be happy to contribute to this research project if I could get some form of guarantee it wouldn't be used against the Federation.
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Julius Cabeki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:30:00 -
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Thank you for your insightful posts.
I'm going to start my study from general design philosophy before testing individuals ships.
Gallente ships in general tend to have plenty of firepower compared to their tank. In the marketing material of Myrmidon the stated reason is the hotheadness of Gallente pilots. It is explained in more serious literature as a way to obtain swift victories. Is it also connected to shifting voter preferences and changing governments?
I haven't found an eplanation for the preference of magnetometric sensors and fusion reactors. Are they used in Gallente ships because of historical reasons or are there technical reasons for their popularity?
My thesis will be published so fears or hopes that it could be used against the Federation are not baseless but the popularity of cyber knight literature is rather limited outside Khanid Kingdom. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
139
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:57:00 -
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Julius Cabeki wrote:My thesis will be published so fears or hopes that it could be used against the Federation are not baseless but the popularity of cyber knight literature is rather limited outside Khanid Kingdom.
This sounds like a pretty good reason to not tell you anything. I suggest other Gallente heed this before divulging anything about our ship design methods. I realize anybody can get a copy of the blueprints and produce our ships, but the particulars of the inner-workings and methodologies are a well kept secret. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Cult of War
2153
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:18:00 -
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I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3286
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:33:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already.
I find tracking disruptors and light missiles work just fine. Not sure how understanding the finer points of reactor physics will affect that. |
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
141
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:22:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already. I find tracking disruptors and light missiles work just fine. Not sure how understanding the finer points of reactor physics will affect that.
Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
140
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:40:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.
All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me.
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
10
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:07:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess. All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me.
It's worked for me so far. I <3 my Vexor!! But yea the armor is really effective due to its more round design... I'm guessing. That would make sense. Most Mitari or Caldari ships have straight lines in their ship designs, and they're more shield based.
See Bio for business details
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
141
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:34:00 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess. All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me. It's worked for me so far. I <3 my Vexor!! But yea the armor is really effective due to its more round design... I'm guessing. That would make sense. Most Mitari or Caldari ships have straight lines in their ship designs, and they're more shield based.
I prefer my navy Exec. Long range guns with enough drones to make it a chore to get in close. Combined that with my friends drone heavy loadout and we make a formidable team.... At least I think we do, haven't met to many people willing to mess with two navy cruisers without backup.
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3289
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:07:00 -
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Who flies without backup? |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
141
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:49:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Who flies without backup?
I know a few people. They eather fly cloaked, or they have balls bigger than their brains....
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.01 03:22:00 -
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Another very organic design that has not been mentioned yet is that of the new Navitas frigate. The scale-like armor and overall design really resembles a fish-like creature, something that in my opinion matches the common use of the ship. But I'm not sure if that's relevant.
And I endorse the statement that there's no need to worry about security. Ship blueprints are no longer industrial secrets, and if any of us worked at the actual design of those blueprints, they wouldn't be allowed nor willing to disclose anything here. |
Julius Cabeki
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:35:00 -
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Any research about military tactics or equipment tend to lead to long discussions with authorities about what could be published. I had to negotiate with sensors to get a few articles about Amarrian ships published and I expect to meet overly curious Fed Intel agents while doing research in Gallente space.
I might add Navitas to my research because its counterpart Inquisitioner is the most fish-like design in Amarr ship line up. The similarity of their desing might warrant a comparison despite low popularity of logistics frigates.
The notion about shield tanked ships having straight lines is certainly interesting. Straight lines make it easier to fit missile systems. The engineers of Khanid Innovations wrote about difficulties they had while fitting missile systems to rounded hulls of Vengeance and Sacrilege. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Cult of War
2154
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:46:00 -
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If you are serious about understanding the incredible technology of the Gallente, I highly suggest contacting Creodron with your research project. Creodron believes that science should not be divided by politics and borders. That the collaborative work between the greatest minds can only be good for the cluster.
If you are truly neutral both in business and politically regarding your research, Creodron might allow you access to their facilities.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2341
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Posted - 2014.03.03 00:00:00 -
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Did someone mention fish?
Nullsec in a Nutshell:
http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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