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Mr Raine
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:46:00 -
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well this new magazine seems to be giving more information that is not currently availible to the rest of the eve comunity. ie
"I know that some people who don't have EON subscriptions are desperate to get their hands on some new images. New images will of course be released over time in other places, so it's just a matter of holding on." this is taken from the dev blog.
ie pictures for the new graphix engines etc etc,
i feel a bit discusted with that really.
if i have missed somthing or have jumped the gun let me know in a desent manner,
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:51:00 -
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This is why I took a sub rather than a second account
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Moots
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:55:00 -
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I don't feel there is anything wrong with this. The Magazine is an optional publication which CCP prints for players who wish to subscribe and gain something more than the regular player of the game. If I'm not mistaken, if the information in the magazine is going to be released to everyone later on then I don't see a problem with it.
If all the content in the magazine was free to everyone then why would anyone subscribe? There has to be incentive. Plus, the content on the magazine doesn't better someone's game play. It's simply information ahead of time.
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: ImmortaL ZoorZ on 18/04/2006 16:02:03
I dont like the way it was shoved in our faces :( oh well buhu. I think they should be realised 3 weeks after everyone gets there EON magazine (maybe after kali)
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Ominus Decre
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ominus Decre on 18/04/2006 16:09:07
 Originally by: ImmortaL ZoorZ
I dont like the way it was shoved in our faces :( oh well buhu
Well, I never felt I was forced fed a publication of E-ON. I enjoy EVE so I was quite fond of having the knowledge of a publication brought to my attention.
Yes, I purchased an annual subcription of E-ON. I occasionaly purchase a magazine or two that's about the same price so there's little concern on the cost. Having a "hard copy" of referencing material to show EVE-Online to others is also a VERY valuable conversational piece.
Would I have purchased it if there were a .pdf floating around? Absolutely not. Do I think there should be a .pdf copy floating around? Absolutely not.
If I subscribe to Playboy.com should I also get their magazine publication? Absolutely not, unless I pay for it too.
In a game that totes some of the most intelligent gamers on the planet I am stunned to see posts of whinning brats crying about not getting pudding with their cake. 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:06:00 -
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I own lots of Nintendo games. This means I should be able to see sneak peeks of upcoming games without paying for Nintendo Power.
Note for the ignorant, this post is satire.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Moots
I don't feel there is anything wrong with this. The Magazine is an optional publication which CCP prints for players who wish to subscribe and gain something more than the regular player of the game. If I'm not mistaken, if the information in the magazine is going to be released to everyone later on then I don't see a problem with it.
If all the content in the magazine was free to everyone then why would anyone subscribe? There has to be incentive. Plus, the content on the magazine doesn't better someone's game play. It's simply information ahead of time.
And then ccp decided the magazine's articles wont be made available when EON #1 was released to the public a few weeks after the print is available as promised a few times by Oveur and other representatives.
I heard the third issue comes without the promised picture postcards.
I wonder when the short stories will be available to the general public as they're background stories as it was promised last year.
'We promise' seems to equal the term 'Forget about the idea quickly' when it is translated from ccp speak into normal people's language.
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Megadon
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R Dan
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:16:00 -
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Op, your overreacting.
sure I'd like to see these new pictures. but an eve account doesnt mean you get EON magazine. nor should it.
I dont think there is any other game which sends you hard copy mags for your monthly game subscription (there might be but its not the norm).
If you got all these things that EON has in it then there would be little point to it tbh.....aside from the novelty factor that its actual paper 
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Voodoo Papa
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:18:00 -
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I think 15 bux for an 80 page magazine is pretty sick
however, Id like someone to convince me its worth purchasing. Does it offer any helpful tips like hidden complexes, or agents to work for with fat rewards?
does it offer anything that isnt already or will become public knowledge?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo Papa
I think 15 bux for an 80 page magazine is pretty sick
Well its a very specialized magazine (so its expensive to make, as its made in a small volume) and its extremely high quality print.
Originally by: Voodoo Papa
however, Id like someone to convince me its worth purchasing. Does it offer any helpful tips like hidden complexes, or agents to work for with fat rewards?
does it offer anything that isnt already or will become public knowledge?
Of course not. Its not a "strategy guide" to the game. Its a sneak peak at what's next, with various cool articles written by CCP or players.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/04/2006 16:20:08
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And then ccp decided the magazine's articles wont be made available when EON #1 was released to the public a few weeks after the print is available as promised a few times by Oveur and other representatives.
Or perhaps they simply came to their senses. 
You need to get a grasp on the fact that plans and proposals change, and just because a dev mentions something once that does not equal a promise.
The of EON as a strategy guide deluxe. I presume you have noticed that gaming companies sell those as a general rule, they don't publish the content online for free 2 or 3 weeks after printing.
Get a grip.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:22:00 -
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It's just another product, like t-shirts and stuff. If you want it, buy it, if you don't want it, don't buy it. They're not taking away information and putting it in the magazine instead, they are getting extra information, some stuff you wouldn't have gotten without EON, and that costs.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:24:00 -
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its downloadable if you know where to look
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Voodoo Papa
I think 15 bux for an 80 page magazine is pretty sick
Well its a very specialized magazine (so its expensive to make, as its made in a small volume) and its extremely high quality print.
Originally by: Voodoo Papa
however, Id like someone to convince me its worth purchasing. Does it offer any helpful tips like hidden complexes, or agents to work for with fat rewards?
does it offer anything that isnt already or will become public knowledge?
Of course not. Its not a "strategy guide" to the game. Its a sneak peak at what's next, with various cool articles written by CCP or players.
In the strictest sense of the word, I suppose it's not a true strategy guide. However, it does include certain elements of strategy guides. Guides to tanking, strengths and weakness's of various ships, Trade tips, etc.
And while the information contained within will eventually be apparent in the game, it does give valuable insights into why certain things are happening or going to happen, insights that you will not get by simply playing (and can be difficult to sort out of these forums).
Patch day always brings out the same 2 types of people.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: R Dan
Op, your overreacting.
sure I'd like to see these new pictures. but an eve account doesnt mean you get EON magazine. nor should it.
I dont think there is any other game which sends you hard copy mags for your monthly game subscription (there might be but its not the norm).
CoH does.
And Wrangler, a T-shirt dosn't give me planning information for things I'll need to know about Eve in the future. Important issues... (see the entire Vista contravercy). ANd it IS shoved down our throats too much for my liking.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:41:00 -
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How does having a non-mandatory magazine count as CCP shoving things down "our" throats?
I subbed to EON because I love EVE, and a hardcopy magazine with purdy pictures and nice stories is a great thing to have. And if it shows me where EVE is headed, all the better.
If you feel that you have to get the sub, just get a corpmate or a friend or whatever who isn't someone just looking for another excuse to whine to give you some info.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
And Wrangler, a T-shirt dosn't give me planning information for things I'll need to know about Eve in the future. Important issues... (see the entire Vista contravercy). ANd it IS shoved down our throats too much for my liking.
Only if they would take the content in EON from stuff they would have otherwise posted on the website. But in reality some of it would never have been posted, and some of it would have/will be posted, but not as thouroughly explained as it is in EON. Whioch it wouldn't have been without EON anyway.
The whole argument you need EON is based on the assumption that the content in EON would have been made available on the website if it wasn't for EON, and thats not true.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:04:00 -
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@Voodoo Papa:
The first two issues have been very good, just partially outdated when they arrived in my mailbox three weeks after the official release point.
I don't think there will be a drop in quality for the third, but I am still waiting again.
The dev interviews are really nice.
'In Character' interviews with Pulgor and others ... priceless.
DigitalCommunist's column about ship classes is a bit biased but holds some solidinfo none the less.
Kaaii's trade 'guide' rocks big time.
The tanking guide from Nyphur is really usefull, and there's nothing like it out here on the forum.
Not to forget EVE A-Z and Slacktalk ... and many other things.
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Megadon
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 18/04/2006 17:08:35
Wrangler,
If it had never been posted, then everyone would be in the same boat.
But since it IS in Eon, then you have an advantage if you have Eon.
Your argument is something of a white flamingo... (heh)
And Tachy, you're being too kind to DC. I never save those pages. (Like all "focus" mags, I remove the spine, hole-punch and keep anything worthwhile in a ring binder and shred the rest. No interest in storing things "for the pretty" - I'm practical)
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:14:00 -
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Well, EON is mostly about adding information that wouldn't otherwise have been there, not taking information that already exists or would have been free and charging for it. Which seems to be what this thread is about.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 18/04/2006 17:17:55
Well it dosn't matter to me, personally, either way Wrangler. The effect is what I'm concerned with.
I like the stories.
I don't like the guides or the setup advice - but then again I have been there done that in my time in Eve, so I definately have a bias there, and I can see how it helps younger players. Except DC's stuff, which just makes me wince.
The articles about the future? Well, that's why I get Eon, because they let me PLAN.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Galk
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I own lots of Nintendo games. This means I should be able to see sneak peeks of upcoming games without paying for Nintendo Power.
Note for the ignorant, this post is satire.
But completely 'nothing' to do with the issues the op brings forward....
I think the op is rather narked that him/me/others support the company till the hilt, yet we have to pay extra for the basic information of the game which we pay for day in day out.
A better anology other than calling people ignorant because you choose to completely derail the op with something completley non releated, would be to look at as all as shareholders in the game... base that on the fact as said we support it... would shareholders be kept in the dark unless they payed for information on what they invest... ofc not.
CCP that publish the game, eon isn't published by a seperate company under licencing agreement (per your nintendo power... ignorant statement), it's from ccp... and they say give us more or you get nothing... but thanks for continuing to flush us with your support... we couldn't be here without you.
I understand ccp wanting to look at bringing in venue streams... but i don't think witholding information about the game and the future of it is right.
Why i don't subscribe to it... pure principle.
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We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:06:00 -
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@Maya
Okay, DC's column replaces a few clicks on 'show info' in the market list ...
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I own lots of Nintendo games. This means I should be able to see sneak peeks of upcoming games without paying for Nintendo Power.
Note for the ignorant, this post is satire.
But completely 'nothing' to do with the issues the op brings forward....
I think the op is rather narked that him/me/others support the company till the hilt, yet we have to pay extra for the basic information of the game which we pay for day in day out.
What "basic information" are you talking about?
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VoodooPapa
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:20:00 -
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thanks for the responses...
being a new player and not too hip on other factions other than my own, I think I'll pick up the third issue.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:36:00 -
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The post cards were offered as an incentive to subscribe to E-ON with issue 2 and retroactively available to players that subscribed with issue 1. It was never offered as an incentive to subscribe with issue 3, nor was it promised as such.
CoH used to send their comics with their subscriptions. Now it is a micro-charge if you wish to receive them. The CoH/V comic is essentially a combination of EVE's Chronicles and E-ON. The comic sometimes gave the backstory of new features, and there were the scattered tips, hints, news and fan art in the 'magazine'.
As for the news, items, pictures and other content, the specific game related information is available or will be in the near future. E-ON is a hard-copy compendium of the information and does give advance information, but nothing of a time sensitive nature. The features and additions to EVE previewed in E-ON will be made publically known before implementation through Dev Blogs, News Items, Patch Notes, In Development, The Drawing Board and forum posts.
If you feel you have to be on the bleeding edge of what is moving and shaking in EVE, are a collector, or have the cash, then by all means, subscribe to E-ON. If you can exersize patience, then don't. The information will be available.
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Draaken
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Draaken on 18/04/2006 18:40:04
Originally by: Galk
I think the op is rather narked that him/me/others support the company till the hilt, yet we have to pay extra for the basic information of the game which we pay for day in day out.
They're not withholding any basic information, they're giving out little tidbits of extra information. There's a huge difference, as I'm sure you know.
Originally by: Galk
A better anology other than calling people ignorant because you choose to completely derail the op with something completley non releated, would be to look at as all as shareholders in the game... base that on the fact as said we support it... would shareholders be kept in the dark unless they payed for information on what they invest... ofc not.
You're not a shareholder. It's CCP's game, they're free to do with it as they please. That includes changing stats with or without giving it proper thought, or even publishing a magazine they charge extra for to please all those players that would like some extra literature in a hardware-version. As with anything else related to EVE: if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Originally by: Galk
it's from ccp... and they say give us more or you get nothing...
Ah, so if you don't buy EON, you can't play EVE? How so?
Originally by: Galk
but i don't think witholding information about the game and the future of it is right.
They're not withholding information. Read what Wrangler said. (Edit: and what kieron said...)
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I own lots of Nintendo games. This means I should be able to see sneak peeks of upcoming games without paying for Nintendo Power.
Note for the ignorant, this post is satire.
But completely 'nothing' to do with the issues the op brings forward....
I think the op is rather narked that him/me/others support the company till the hilt, yet we have to pay extra for the basic information of the game which we pay for day in day out.
What "basic information" are you talking about?
Id suggest you read the rest of the post rather than play dumb asking me why, probaly so you can just pick my responce apart:/
It's all there, your just ignoring it. My responce was based on what you wrote (which was wrong) and i pointed out as to why, several responces in the thread, and what i think about the situation based on the op in relation to my own principles... which i belive i explained.
Simpley trying to draw them all together to put my point across...
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 18/04/2006 18:43:58
Originally by: Draaken
if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Sold.
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.04.18 19:13:00 -
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do you honestly think they are making that much money on E-ON subs? I highly doubt it.
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