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mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:04:00 - [1] - Quote Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 108298	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:11:00 - [2] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners? There are plenty of miners in null. Tons of them in fact. Bots of them in fact. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:21:00 - [3] - Quote Yes I am aware that there are a lot of miners in null but do they have unhindered access to ore stations? As a hisec carebear I assume that it is total suicide to go to outer ring. My sp are in mining not pvp.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 108337	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Yes I am aware that there are a lot of miners in null but do they have unhindered access to ore stations? As a hisec carebear I assume that it is total suicide to go to outer ring. My sp are in mining not pvp. There are huge controlling Alliances in there that provide a measure of safety for their members yes. Flying solo down there is indeed a huge risk. That's a lot of Null to sneak through. I've never heard of solo high sec player with a successful attempt. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:39:00 - [5] - Quote This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this?
Batelle HOMELE55 1975	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:58:00 - [6] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Just wondered why ore have no bases in hi sec? I know they are called outer ring but due to their location I would suggest that the main bulk of miners are unable to access agents and the lp store. Maybe putting ore out of reach is ccp's way of trolling miners? why is ORE out of reach? Its equally available to everyone. Including miners. Outer Ring Excavations lives in Outer Ring. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 108421	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:12:00 - [7] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this? The only thing unique to ORE is their blueprints. "A filthy rich corporation that disassociated itself from the Federation when it tried to encroach on the companies riches. ORE operates mainly in the Outer Ring and Cloud Ring regions." "Founded as a simple mining corporation to exploit a massive hidden Nocxium lode, the wealth of Outer Ring turned the company - utilitarianly named Outer Ring Excavations - into a minor faction in its own right, which lays claim to its entire namesake region. Originally contracting Mordu's Legion for security, the entire corporation was recently acquired by the Serpentis in a hostile takeover, who now oversee all aspects of ORE's operation. " https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Outer_Ring_Excavations_%28NPC_corporation%29 Any answers beyond this probably are not real. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 108421	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:14:00 - [8] - Quote Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nightingale Actault The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance 9	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:16:00 - [9] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 108616	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:34:00 - [10] - Quote Nightingale Actault wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them. I know that. I stated that above. I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr. Did you actually read the thread ???? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 112	Posted - 2014.02.28 03:50:00 - [11] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Nightingale Actault wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). The blueprints are NPC seeded in stations there. Anyone can go and buy them. I know that. I stated that above. I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr. Did you actually read the thread ???? You should probably read the thread first...
Khoul Ay'd Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 169	Posted - 2014.02.28 05:26:00 - [12] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr. Dude you're just embarrassing yourself, stop posting. 1. ORE BPO's are not purchased with LPs, only cold hard ISK from the market. 2. ORE has stations in 4C-B7X and NM-OEA. BPOs are purchased at these stations. Don't believe me, check DOTLAN if you're not willing to open your star map or fly out there yourself. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4C-B7X http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/NM-OEA 3. I suggest in the future you comment about things you know about from experience, not supposition. And yes, I've flown out there and purchased ORE BPOs. The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:45:00 - [13] - Quote Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighter
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance 1403	Posted - 2014.02.28 11:45:00 - [14] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighter ORE LP items aren't all that great anyway. If they were better I think you'd see Outer Ring pretty full with people. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.28 11:48:00 - [15] - Quote Fair enough. Thanks for the replies people.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 109018	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:46:00 - [16] - Quote Khoul Ay'd wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I asked about Markets for Exhumers, etc clearly in my post above. ORE BPO's come from Loyalty Points to ORE, not needing a Market. Derr. Dude you're just embarrassing yourself, stop posting. 1. ORE BPO's are not purchased with LPs, only cold hard ISK from the market. 2. ORE has stations in 4C-B7X and NM-OEA. BPOs are purchased at these stations. Don't believe me, check DOTLAN if you're not willing to open your star map or fly out there yourself. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4C-B7X http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/NM-OEA 3. I suggest in the future you comment about things you know about from experience, not supposition. And yes, I've flown out there and purchased ORE BPOs. So I made one mistake in posting. Yes. And that means I should stop posting after 4 solid years of doing so. Right. Got it. Glad we have such well-trained, kind and informative, even self-appointed Forum moderators here. What an a**. Just how "perfect and error free" have your postings been ??? I'm going to check..................easy enough to do. You've won the King of Pedantics Award for the day, and most indeed. I'm acquainted with a few high-up controlling members of your alliance, and they don't really like it when you guys snark like this unnecessarily outside of GD. I will be having a discussion with them about your posting. You were obviously wanting hostility, and nothing more. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Random McNally Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 52902	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:59:00 - [17] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: This is what I thought. I just wondered why ccp would put o.r.e out of reach of so many? Would they consider setting up some stations in hisec? How do you go about asking ccp to do this? I would start with putting together a solid and reasonable argument for it and post it in Features and Ideas. ORE has been exclusive to Outer Ring since long before I've been in game. Having to brave the distance in null sec to get those tasty ORE ship bpo's is what's kept them valuable. If Retriever bpo's were cheap and available in high sec, then they wouldn't be nearly as valuable as they are. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com In Game Channel HighDragChat
Batelle HOMELE55 1993	Posted - 2014.02.28 15:39:00 - [18] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting. And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Batelle HOMELE55 1993	Posted - 2014.02.28 15:43:00 - [19] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting. And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long. Random McNally wrote: If Retriever bpo's were cheap and available in high sec, then they wouldn't be nearly as valuable as they are. Not true. Retriever BPOs are expensive because they cost 1.7 bn to buy from the NPC, not because going to cloud ring is hard/scary. If you want to buy a fresh one in Jita they only cost about 70m more than making the trip to 0.0 yourself. If they were seeded in hisec they'd still be very valuable. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Qalix Long Jump. 136	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:57:00 - [20] - Quote oops! posted too fast

Shae Naari State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:11:00 - [21] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Obviously if you don't know about how nullsec works and how to be safe it will be dangerous, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Yes indeed, but so...you get there safely.....and then how and where do you acquire an Exhumer or whatever in there ? No markets (from what I've been led to believe). according to Dotlan, there are 3 systems with stations.
Khoul Ay'd Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 171	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: You were obviously wanting hostility, and nothing more. No, just looking to end blatantly wrong information that is based on a guess. Posting knowledge = good Posting guesses=bad The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
Khoul Ay'd Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 171	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:30:00 - [23] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighter You don't have to train combat skills to make the run out there, a cov ops frig or blockade runner is all you really need. If you're going to play Eve any length of time these ships really are must haves. I'd recommend checking out You Tube for advice on safely warping through null sec. Even in a blinky ship you need to take some additional precautions, but nothing difficult. Don't let the forum myths limit you from the dark corner of Eve. Believe me after you make your first run through null unscathed you'll feel liberated. The entire cosmos will become your oyster. The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:03:00 - [24] - Quote Yes unscathed is the point. I probably will skill up for some sort of cov ops thingy but as I say I am a miner and as yet have no plans to go to null or don't anymore if the stuff in the ORE lp store is toilet. I would like to be able to mine low sec ore but cannot see a way to do this safely. I can't see myself going to null because that would mean joining a corp and I can't play very often and I wouldn't be able to do my fair share especially combat wise.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 109292	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:39:00 - [25] - Quote Batelle wrote: Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting. And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long. Oh, I'll make it out there someday. My 5 characters are busy enough . It's just such a huge logistical change to undergo, that's for sure. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 109292	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:44:00 - [26] - Quote Khoul Ay'd wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: You were obviously wanting hostility, and nothing more. No, just looking to end blatantly wrong information that is based on a guess. Posting knowledge = good Posting guesses=bad Guesses will always get posted ...and in my case based on what I was apparently told by "those with experience" for 4 years now. It's not necessary to chastise. It's contentious, and distracts from the informative nature of a forum. But it is necessary to correct and inform mis-information. Anyone claiming to know absolutely every last detail of EVE with utter infallible correctness is a liar. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Batelle HOMELE55 1996	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:51:00 - [27] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Batelle wrote: Well if you want to mine there, you'd have to put your exhumer in your blockade runner. Or carrier jump it in. Or take a wormhole. But again, no different than anywhere else, and in fact probably a whole lot safer than any other npc nullsec (if you leave the station system and hit the dead-end pocket). But its not like there's some advantage to mining out there like the OP was suggesting. And as stated, you don't need to run missions to get the BPOs. There's nothing there that is special that is being withheld from hisec players (which was the point of the OP). All that's out there are some empty systems with terrible truesec, explorers, and some koreans in 4c that will shoot your cyno or whatever else looks easy and hangs around for too long. Oh, I'll make it out there someday. My 5 characters are busy enough . It's just such a huge logistical change to undergo, that's for sure. I know at least a few people/groups mine out there. There are several systems that lead to no where that see very little traffic. Just plan to operate out of a pos and im guessing a rorqual for ore compression will be necessary. The really long deadend pocket has the last 3 systems mega-bubbled. I never even went into the final system cuz i didn't feel like bothering the guy! The biggest logistical issue is coming up wish a comprehensive list of stuff to take that you won't need to make constant trips for every little thing. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Khoul Ay'd Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 171	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:34:00 - [28] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Khoul Ay'd wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: You were obviously wanting hostility, and nothing more. No, just looking to end blatantly wrong information that is based on a guess. Posting knowledge = good Posting guesses=bad Guesses will always get posted ...and in my case based on what I was apparently told by "those with experience" for 4 years now. It's not necessary to chastise. It's contentious, and distracts from the informative nature of a forum. Since you were misinformed by others, I apologize for my brash tone. As I previously stated no ill will was intended, only correcting misinformation. Fly safe The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:34:00 - [29] - Quote Yes sounds like a bit of hassle and I seem to be missing a rorqual, mining gang, jump freighters, and a pos. I think I need at least 6 accounts. I'm that close to getting a 4th. Mining is very account intensive
Allison A'vani North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 61	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:02:00 - [30] - Quote Contrary to popular high sec care bear belief, null sec is by far the safest space in the game. If you are a member of any decent sized coalition, then you have very little to worry about. When I fly my JF alt, I am always considerably more worried about high sec than any other space in the game. Other than a few gate camps here and there, there are entire regions of space with no one in it due to the pretty awful changes to negative sec space relating to quality of ratting sites spawning. Most space that has no tactical advantage (like being next to low/high sec space or in a border region) and is -0.1 to -0.5 space, is going to be empty except for poses.

mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:35:00 - [31] - Quote Allison A'vani wrote: Contrary to popular high sec care bear belief, null sec is by far the safest space in the game. If you are a member of any decent sized coalition, then you have very little to worry about. When I fly my JF alt, I am always considerably more worried about high sec than any other space in the game. Other than a few gate camps here and there, there are entire regions of space with no one in it due to the pretty awful changes to negative sec space relating to quality of ratting sites spawning. Most space that has no tactical advantage (like being next to low/high sec space or in a border region) and is -0.1 to -0.5 space, is going to be empty except for poses. I have to say I have been thinking of moving to null but it is hard to find a corp that doesn't require ts. I am unable to use ts due to location (might get away with listening). I also just want to mine and some corps ( I haven't looked very thoroughly ) want you to pvp as well. I don't mind helping with defence.
Batelle HOMELE55 2146	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:46:00 - [32] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: I have to say I have been thinking of moving to null but it is hard to find a corp that doesn't require ts. I am unable to use ts due to location (might get away with listening). voice comms are generally foundational to any well run/organized corp. Corps that don't require them are the exception generally. There are a few corps that will let you get by with speaking minimally, but to not be able to use voice comms at all is typically a deal breaker. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Senfora Anophis An Errant Venture 2	Posted - 2014.03.08 00:29:00 - [33] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access to the lp store, bpo's are not my thing. I just don't like the idea of having to spend months skilling up gunnery skills and ships in order to do this. I'm a miner not a fighter so go out there and do mining missions? .....be sure to have instawarps off station (and pray there aren't any bubblers around that day), fly Procurer/Skiffs, and be hella careful.....?
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 62	Posted - 2014.03.11 07:37:00 - [34] - Quote You want high end content Leave your Concord protected shithole Stop bitching . Man up
mup Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.03.11 09:57:00 - [35] - Quote Luwc wrote: You want high end content Leave your Concord protected shithole Stop bitching . Man up Lol such a clich+¬d response
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 94	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:41:00 - [36] - Quote mup Deninard wrote: Well I suppose I just wanted ORE in hisec so I could have easier access... But that would defeat the purpose of having ORE in null. outside of the lore, CCP put it out there to lure people into null...if they opend up shop in hi, then why go to null?


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