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I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:26:00 -
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EQUATION: https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/a/aa/ChanceToHitv2.png
chance to hit= 0
transversal speed= X
range to target= 12000m
tracking speed= 0.7
turret signature resolution= 40m
target signature radius= 110m
turret optimat range= 12000m
turret falloff= 4000m
I want to know the transversal speed X
Can anyone solve this for me please?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:34:00 -
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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0.01+%3D+0.5+^+%28%28%28%28X%2F%2812000+*+0.7%29%29*%2840+%2F+110%29%29^2%29+%2B+%28%28max%280%2C+0%29%29%2F4000%29^2%29
you can't actually plug in 0, as you always have a /tiny/ chance to hit.
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Searex Stratos
Empire of Dirt
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:38:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or you are just trolling, but there is no solution.
Like Steve pointed out you can't have a chance to hit of 0.
With your chance to hit being 0, this makes the equation: 0=0.5^(lots of stuff including your X)
There is no possible exponent for 0.5 that will give you 0. |
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:44:00 -
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Alright..
What about we play with 10 as hit chance?
And thanks. |
Searex Stratos
Empire of Dirt
0
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:53:00 -
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My TI-89 says 42102 for 0.10 (10% chance)
That's if I didn't mistype anything and my assumptions for what units to use were correct |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
823
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:07:00 -
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That tracking figure seems a bit high considering all the other stats are consistent with small beams. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:08:00 -
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Searex Stratos wrote:My TI-89 says 42102 for 0.10 (10% chance)
That's if I didn't mistype anything and my assumptions for what units to use were correct
Tracking tool confirms this number.
Oh god. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
252
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:37:00 -
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In very rough terms (ignoring the tracking formula) the turrets in question are able to cover approximately 1/9 of a circle's circumferance per second. The circle in question's circumferance is approximately 75km and therefore the target would have to be travelling at approximately 8.5km/sec to outrun the absolute tracking of the gun.
The sig radius/resolution will alter this value but in very rough terms it represents a place to start - is it possible for the target ship to exceed 8.5km/sec? If its top speed is 4km/sec then outpacing the turret tracking will be impossible anyway...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:48:00 -
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You couldn't use your existing thread on the exact same topic and only plug in the one value that was missing? 
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Tacomaco
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:43:00 -
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Searex Stratos wrote:
There is no possible exponent for 0.5 that will give you 0.
Well, something like 30 or more would do it. A value that small is usually considered by programmers to be zero and everything stops there: "you miss". I think at 40 you'll have better chances to win the big price lottery than hit the target.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You couldn't use your existing thread on the exact same topic and only plug in the one value that was missing?
No ****. OP - stop clicking New Topic.
There is already a thread for this. You should know. You started it. You could have just bumped your own thread.
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Batelle
HOMELE55
1992
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:42:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Searex Stratos wrote:
There is no possible exponent for 0.5 that will give you 0.
Well, something like 30 or more would do it. A value that small is usually considered by programmers to be zero and everything stops there: "you miss". I think at 40 you'll have better chances to win the big price lottery than hit the target.
Get your practical computational considerations out of my math!
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Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc.
Upholders
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:16:00 -
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I'm gonna make this reaaaaal simple.
Either you hit the target...
Or you don't. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:26:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:I'm gonna make this reaaaaal simple.
Either you hit the target...
Or you don't.
So that's a 50% chance of hitting then  |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc.
Upholders
958
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:34:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I'm gonna make this reaaaaal simple.
Either you hit the target...
Or you don't. So that's a 50% chance of hitting then
Sure! Sounds about right! |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:37:00 -
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42!
:3
(I too, am terrible at math  )
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Lucia Severasse
TEC-NOLOGY
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:16:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math )
if 42 is the answer then we can assume that all other parts of the formula are incorrect
Quote:
chance to hit= 42
transversal speed= 42
range to target= 42m
tracking speed= 42
turret signature resolution= 42m
target signature radius= 42m
turret optimat range= 42m
turret falloff= 42m
thus solving the OPs question |
Zenos Ebeth
DEAD JESTERS
The Harlequin's
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:19:00 -
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edit: nevermind
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:54:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Tippia wrote:You couldn't use your existing thread on the exact same topic and only plug in the one value that was missing? No ****. OP - stop clicking New Topic. There is already a thread for this. You should know. You started it. You could have just bumped your own thread.
But..bumping is against the rules.... and OP clearly knows the rules, that's why he didn't bump that thread. But then again...
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:20:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math )
Don't worry, so was Einstein. He actually hired mathematicians to prove his intuitive ideas for him. They were generally way beyond his capacity to prove. |
Hadrian Blackstone
Barringtons Research
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:12:00 -
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Translation: Moving targets are hard to hit. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:14:00 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Translation: Moving targets are hard to hit.
Especially when you forget to carry the 1.
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CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:15:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math ) Don't worry, so was Einstein. He actually hired mathematicians to prove his intuitive ideas for him. They were generally way beyond his capacity to prove.
Wow. You learn something new every decade I guess. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:25:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math ) Don't worry, so was Einstein. He actually hired mathematicians to prove his intuitive ideas for him. They were generally way beyond his capacity to prove.
Well, no. He was not bad at maths. In fact, he excelled at it throughout his entire education. I don't know off hand if he hired mathematicians or if he just had his calculations peer-reviewed, so a source on that would be nice.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math ) Don't worry, so was Einstein. He actually hired mathematicians to prove his intuitive ideas for him. They were generally way beyond his capacity to prove. Well, no. He was not bad at maths. In fact, he excelled at it throughout his entire education. I don't know off hand if he hired mathematicians or if he just had his calculations peer-reviewed, so a source on that would be nice.
I seem to recall this in a documentary I watched on General Relativity. The mathematician proved the mathematics of it and Einstein and an astronomer performed an experiment showing that the mass (and therefore gravity) of the Sun refracted the light of stars in the Sun's corona. I can not remember the names are the specifics of the maths or the solar experiment but will see what I can find.
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Trevor Dalech
Novum Matutinus
Interstellar ConVicts
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:31:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Tippia wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:42! :3 (I too, am terrible at math ) Don't worry, so was Einstein. He actually hired mathematicians to prove his intuitive ideas for him. They were generally way beyond his capacity to prove. Well, no. He was not bad at maths. In fact, he excelled at it throughout his entire education. I don't know off hand if he hired mathematicians or if he just had his calculations peer-reviewed, so a source on that would be nice. I seem to recall this in a documentary I watched on General Relativity. The mathematician proved the mathematics of it and Einstein and an astronomer performed an experiment showing that the mass (and therefore gravity) of the Sun refracted the light of stars in the Sun's corona. I can not remember the names are the specifics of the maths or the solar experiment but will see what I can find. ED: I should rephrase refracted to bent. It is called Gravitational Lensing. As I search my memory on the matter (and continue to search for a more reliable source), Einstein did not hire the mathematician but they were colleagues. Einstein asked his colleague to try and prove it "on paper" and then followed it with a observational experiment (as noted above with light being bent by the gravity of the Sun) which, again if memory serves, was actually conducted by a colleague in New Zealand (perhaps due to an eclipse). Still looking Tippia. I started watching a documentary and got into it a bit too much.
We're starting to stray from the original topic a bit, but heck, this is way more fun!
Einstein worked together with Grossman and Levi-Cevita to incorporate differential geometry into his theory of general relativity, which was some cutting edge maths at the time. These are quite well known mathematicians, one does not simply 'hire' them, saying so is like saying you hired Bill Gates for tech support. Einstein himself was in fact quite good at maths, the idea he was not is an urban myth stemming from a misinterpretation of his high school grades.
Several years later Einsteins theory was confirmed by Eddington, by observing starlight deflection during a solar eclipse. As far as I know, Einstein was not directly involved with this observation.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
253
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Posted - 2014.03.01 11:38:00 -
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As I understand it, Einstein suggested the observation as a possible proof of the theory, Eddington was asked to make the observation and corrensponded with Einstein considerably afterwards - but Einstein was not involved in the observation itself. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:13:00 -
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Just derive the equation for traversal velocity and solve that for the limit as "chance to hit" approaches zero.
Or just go for 42 . |
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