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Sabarius
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Posted - 2006.04.19 14:05:00 -
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I bought me a shiny Ferox about a week ago, running it as a rail boat, and although it's munching through the Level 2 missions with ease it's clearly not running as well as it should be.
I thinking that my skills are at fault and need some advice on which way to go next.
I've got 2.6mil SP which roughly breaks down as follows:
+ Learning = 1mil
+ Gunnery = 1mil
+ Engineering = 300k
+ Spaceship command = 200k
+ All others below 100k
I'm really not sure which way to go next, are there any good generic skills for BC's that work really well? Thanks for the help.
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Frobisher
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Frobisher on 19/04/2006 15:16:31
Edited by: Frobisher on 19/04/2006 15:15:55
Pretty standard stuff to aim for
Drones (ferox can use 5 lights which will take care of any Frig with good skills)
Combat Drones
Scout Drone Op
Electronics
Targetting
Long Range Targetting
Signature Analysis
Engineering
Energy management
Energy Sys OP
Shield Management
Shield sys op
Shield upgrades
Shield compensation
Tac shield management
Energy Grid upgrades
As you use it as Rail boat then gunnery supports
Rapid Fire
Controlled Bursts
Motion Predict
Med Hybrids
Surgical Strike
Sharpshooter
Weapons Upgrades
Spaceship Command
BC as high as you can
Navigation
Evasive maneuvering
oh ... and mining as high as you can get it to sort out the occasional Omber roid in the mission deadspace 
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Sabarius
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:20:00 -
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Much obliged. Just what I was after
;)
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Ohmy Fugod
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Posted - 2006.04.19 18:00:00 -
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I'm surprised to read you're using a Ferox to run lvl 2's and it's not behaving as you expected, even while having 2.6 mil sp's. Simply put, I run lvl 3's in my Ferox with less than a million sp's without not even a single worry!
So, what do you mean that it's not running as well as it should be?
Maybe it's a ship config issue instead of lack of skills?
For instance, unless you're using a whole rack of small caliber rails, any medium hybrid *will* give you a headache when it comes down to tracking frigs that orbit below 10km's.
Well honestly I'm quite puzzled.
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Edania
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Posted - 2006.04.19 19:43:00 -
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The Ferox is a beutiful woman that will grow as you grow, right now she's teasing you, figuring out if your serious or not, Wether your shallow and will run off with a raven just because the raven has assrts that come with a larger letter on there fitting.
when you prove to her that you love her you can waltz througth many of the simpler level 4 missions including the Serpentis extraveganza the problem comes when your an old familiar couple and a young vulture goes by and shows her stripes.
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Frobisher
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Posted - 2006.04.19 19:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Edania
The Ferox is a beutiful woman that will grow as you grow, right now she's teasing you, figuring out if your serious or not, Wether your shallow and will run off with a raven just because the raven has assrts that come with a larger letter on there fitting.
when you prove to her that you love her you can waltz througth many of the simpler level 4 missions including the Serpentis extraveganza the problem comes when your an old familiar couple and a young vulture goes by and shows her stripes.
Signed on that ... with even moderate skills (at level 4) you can run a passive tank of 9k shields and 70 to 80% resists across the board ... just gets better as you skill up
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Deadly Blades
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Posted - 2006.04.19 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Edania
The Ferox is a beutiful woman that will grow as you grow, right now she's teasing you, figuring out if your serious or not, Wether your shallow and will run off with a raven just because the raven has assrts that come with a larger letter on there fitting.
when you prove to her that you love her you can waltz througth many of the simpler level 4 missions including the Serpentis extraveganza the problem comes when your an old familiar couple and a young vulture goes by and shows her stripes.
Thats an incredible statement, and being an avid ferox flyer myself. I completely agree. I have only 1.2 million skill points and I can fly lvl 3s solo with caution soo.... I would look up one of the many Ferox Fitting forum posts and reaquip.  you will be killin soon enough.
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Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.20 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Frobisher
Signed on that ... with even moderate skills (at level 4) you can run a passive tank of 9k shields and 70 to 80% resists across the board ... just gets better as you skill up
Can you give any specifics on this?
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.04.20 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ohmy Fugod
I'm surprised to read you're using a Ferox to run lvl 2's and it's not behaving as you expected, even while having 2.6 mil sp's. Simply put, I run lvl 3's in my Ferox with less than a million sp's without not even a single worry!
So, what do you mean that it's not running as well as it should be?
Maybe it's a ship config issue instead of lack of skills?
For instance, unless you're using a whole rack of small caliber rails, any medium hybrid *will* give you a headache when it comes down to tracking frigs that orbit below 10km's.
Well honestly I'm quite puzzled.
It's probably because a Ferox, or any BC, isn't the best option for L2s. They're not the best ship for killing frigs, which is just about all L2s contain.
You'll naturally have an easier time on L3s since they have cruisers.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Frobisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:47:00 -
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This should be in Ships and Modules but the setup is created for the strongest I could get to Tank level 3's ... Reality is I would be comfortable taking it into a lot of level 4 missions as well (not all).
It is a PvE setup. 5x Mid 2x Low Tank
Highs: 5 x Best Heavy launcher, 2 x Utility slots (Rails, Nos, Tractor Beam ... whatever)
Mids: 2 x T2 Large Extender, 1 x T2 Invul, 2 x T1 Hardeners EM & Therm is the standard (I could use T2 but isn't really necessary)
Lows: 1 x PDU (using Type D or PDU I at the moment), 1 x Damage Control, 2 x T2 BCS
Gives resists of EM 75%, Exp 80%, Kin 70%, EM 80%
on 9.1K of Shields
In an Angel Extrava I never lost more than 1k of shields so it is a bit of an overkill for Level 3's and i plan to adjust it back .. probably by removing one of the extenders and replacing with AB or Painter.
Necessary skills are at 4's to fit the T2 kit. So not skill intensive at all. With 4/4 on the Cap skills my cap stabilises at about 75 - 80% so the mix of Passive/Active does not hurt
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Otangka
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Posted - 2006.04.23 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Edania
The Ferox is a beutiful woman that will grow as you grow, right now she's teasing you, figuring out if your serious or not, Wether your shallow and will run off with a raven just because the raven has assrts that come with a larger letter on there fitting.
when you prove to her that you love her you can waltz througth many of the simpler level 4 missions including the Serpentis extraveganza the problem comes when your an old familiar couple and a young vulture goes by and shows her stripes.
sigh yeah i wubbed my Ferox too, but I lost it (perfectly tech 2 fitted) in a lvl 4 Angel Extravanganze mission (first and only attempt), actually it tanked everything for like a pretty while before it poofed under me 
and Indeed my goal is a to own such a fine Vulture soonÖ
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Sabarius
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Posted - 2006.04.26 12:24:00 -
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Thanks for the replies peeps.
Having played with my Railox some more and tweaked the settings some more, I've come to the conclusion that it's partly a lousy setup which I'm in the process of adjusting and partly that my skills, although I have plenty of SP's (1.6mil ex. Learning) they're not very well spread out.
I've always taken the approach of killing things before they can do too much damage, hence the amount of gunnery skills but having done some Lev3's I've realised that taking an opproach more focussed on the long haul might be beneficial.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sabarius
I bought me a shiny Ferox about a week ago, running it as a rail boat, and although it's munching through the Level 2 missions with ease it's clearly not running as well as it should be.
I thinking that my skills are at fault and need some advice on which way to go next.
I've got 2.6mil SP which roughly breaks down as follows:
+ Learning = 1mil
+ Gunnery = 1mil
+ Engineering = 300k
+ Spaceship command = 200k
+ All others below 100k
I'm really not sure which way to go next, are there any good generic skills for BC's that work really well? Thanks for the help.
With 1mil in gunnery you should probably be doing level 3s. Check the ships and mods forum for passive tanked ferox setups, try to use one, and do lvl 3s.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
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Theryon
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Posted - 2006.06.01 05:06:00 -
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its definately about the ferox not being able to compete with frigs unless your using small rails (using missiles = death to frigs) but i have been trying to use my rox for a rail boat on lvl 2's aswell (running them to get LP and standing for good 3's)
if you use anything but small rails the frigs will just skim you under your optimal so you cant hit them for anything, and if you go all in with small rials you wont be able to hit the cruisers you come up against very well
inmy experience misisles will eb a good supplementary investment if you want to use your rox quickly and effectively in lvl 2's, and will do well in 3's when you have good skills, also when your ready to move to a raven if you stay in the calddari ship line, youll be at a very good start for using it, since shes a missile boat
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Minama
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Posted - 2006.06.01 08:33:00 -
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A railox takes quite some more skills to fit as the rails just eats your powergrid. I'm currently using the following setup while grindig lvl2's for rep, but i think it will work good in lvl 3's aswell. Currently at just under 5m SP.
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I [40xUranium Charge M]
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I [40xUranium Charge M]
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I [40xUranium Charge M]
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I [40xUranium Charge M]
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I [40xUranium Charge M]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xHavoc Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xHavoc Heavy Missile]
Medium Shield Booster II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Invulnerability Field I
Invulnerability Field I
Cap Recharger I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System I
Power Diagnostic System I
For the level 2's i have exchanged the missile launcers for 2x tractor beams, but for the level 3's ill put em in again.
I'll mostly lets the drones (not level 2 drones yet) do their work and just kill the harder targets with the rails, (32k optimum with my current skills).
I have approx 1m in gunnery aswell, where 500k of em is in weapon upgrades. And a 380k in drones that really helps, alot.
And if you feel like wasting some ammo, the webbifier makes the rails hit even the frigates resonably well within 10km range, shure you miss some but they more or less insta pops anyway :)
[SLI]Minama
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Lickety
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Posted - 2006.06.01 15:30:00 -
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Minama,
That seems like a really tight fit. Is Electronics/Engineering 5 needed to fit all that?
Regards,
Lickety
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