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RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:23:00 -
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I fought in a war. Sounds great until your their. To the people of Ukraine, I congratulate you on a monumental victory. As a soldier, it warms my heart to see a people stand together for a moral common ground. To stop a potential war, I would advise the following. Ukrainian protesters please go home. You are filling Putin's checklist by acting out. I'm not saying that your views are inncorrect. I'm saying to not play into their game. Now, if you go home and stop hostilities the ball will be in Putin's court. If you stop protesting and ignore those who provoke you, and Putin goes ahead and attacks, it makes Putin primary. Go home,..... but stay vigilant, be prepared. Move your young loved ones into safe areas. Should you feel the need to continue you patriotic duty work ALONG SIDE your military. Go get suited and booted. But I say to ALL who reside in Ukraine to know that fire fights and explosions kill more than just soldiers. To those who tend to fight remember, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage. Remember that there is nothing more dear to any human than life. Live well. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
6621
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:38:00 -
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I like Waffles.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |
Rhesos
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:07:00 -
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Stay away from Russian borders! |
Dawn Lewis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:09:00 -
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Rain just because you fought in a war does not mean that you fought in them all
They have long long memories in the Ukraine
The Holocaust of the ethnic Ukrainians did not happen that long ago when 6 Million Peasants were starved to death by the Russians.
if you dont think it could happen again it happened in the Balkans not very long ago
Alway remember the Betrayal of the Cossacks which was a discrace of the British High command
I wish that the west had half the strenght that they have
(Im English and its going down the toilet) |
Eranicus II
Auto-Pod Xpress
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Posted - 2014.03.02 23:45:00 -
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Rhesos wrote:Stay away from Russian borders!
Sorry bud but Ukraine is NOT Russian border, if you want others away from Russian borders then they should heed their own and move back to their Russian borders and stay in them.
They can take their so called ethnic Russians with them on their way home, if they want to be Russians and NOT Ukranians.
Invading sovereign countries to call them their own is NOT the way to do politics now a days, if Ukranians want to be Russians they can be so if they wish and they can do that on their own, by voting to become part of Russia an if NOT then Russia has no bussiness forcing them. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2163
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Posted - 2014.03.03 03:43:00 -
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As much as I'm always against RL politicians going toward military aggression (whether it be Russia, America or my own country doing it), I have a feeling this thread will be getting nuked with extreme prejudice soon.
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XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:21:00 -
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Russia's going down the Military route pretty quick... Instead of the west approach, which takes a few months, before going to Military route. |
XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
22
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:37:00 -
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West has a lengthy flow chart for dealing with situations like this. Goes kinda like this
How the west deals with these situations:
We don't agree with what you're doing lets talk about it, If that fails... We don't like what you're doing, we might have to put sanctions on you, If that fails, Here are some sanctions... if that fails, We REALLY don't like what you're doing, we mite have to consider using military action.. If that does not work, After 3-4 weeks of debate, we have considering using military action, if you do not not stop.. if that does not work, Military action is taken(after figuring out who going to do what, and much much)....
How Russia deals with this.....
We don't like what you're doing - Military action. |
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
353
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:01:00 -
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XNCReman wrote:West has a lengthy flow chart for dealing with situations like this. Goes kinda like this
How the west deals with these situations:
We don't agree with what you're doing lets talk about it, If that fails... We don't like what you're doing, we might have to put sanctions on you, If that fails, Here are some sanctions... if that fails, We REALLY don't like what you're doing, we mite have to consider using military action.. If that does not work, After 3-4 weeks of debate, we have considering using military action, if you do not not stop.. if that does not work, Military action is taken(after figuring out who going to do what, and much much)....
How Russia deals with this.....
We don't like what you're doing - Military action.
This is actually true, although no one outside the US would ever admit to it. There is more criticism of the US in this conflict right now than Russia, and Russia INVADED.
Think of the rest of the world as a nagging woman and the US as a rich, fallible man who has made mistakes in the past, and no matter what the man does, he will always be at fault in the woman's eyes. She will even make **** up in order to shift the blame to him even during the times it's not his fault. However, since he's rich and has to think of the greater good, he takes the spears and criticism as part of the job.
His children, however, are starting to get pretty pissed off that they're having to be everyone's punching bags due to the misdeeds of their father. |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet
Intrepid Crossing
226
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:04:00 -
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Do me a favor and do not draw assumptions about me and do not put words in my mouth. I was simply giving advice about the satus RIGHT NOW. The past has already happened. I said nothing about the Balkans or the Cossacks. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:00:00 -
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Astenion wrote:
This is actually true, although no one outside the US would ever admit to it. There is more criticism of the US in this conflict right now than Russia, and Russia INVADED.
Nonsense. Let's see a few articles linking to this because I can't find a one.
Stop being so pretentiously inflammatory.
An outrage over Obama telephoning Putin for 90 minutes where nothing was productive ?
That's all US has even done at all so far.
Blame us for the Siege of Troy or something next why don't you ? Makes about as much sense.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
354
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:23:00 -
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If you believe for one second that the average European thinks America is slow to judgement and cautious, then you've never set foot outside the US and can stop being so *pretentiously* argumentative.
What articles? I'm talking about PEOPLE. As an American, I'll simply walk outside my door and walk down the street while people ask me, "Are you going to attack Russia?" Some of them think the US actually invaded Syria.
But don't take my word for it; I'm sure you can get all the accurate information you'll ever need from BBC headlines on your desktop. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:25:00 -
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XNCReman wrote:West has a lengthy flow chart for dealing with situations like this. Goes kinda like this
How the west deals with these situations:
We don't agree with what you're doing lets talk about it, If that fails... We don't like what you're doing, we might have to put sanctions on you, If that fails, Here are some sanctions... if that fails, We REALLY don't like what you're doing, we mite have to consider using military action.. If that does not work, After 3-4 weeks of debate, we have considering using military action, if you do not not stop.. if that does not work, Military action is taken(after figuring out who going to do what, and much much)....
How Russia deals with this.....
We don't like what you're doing - Military action.
You're right. Russia are a lot more honest and straightforward about what they are about. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110336
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:03:00 -
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Astenion wrote:If you believe for one second that the average European thinks America is slow to judgement and cautious, then you've never set foot outside the US and can stop being so *pretentiously* argumentative. Who said anything about outrage? I said that there is more criticism of the US right now than even Russia, and that's true. People are either yelling that the US needs to get involved or they're yelling that the US doesn't need to get involved. The focus isn't even on Ukraine vs. Russia anymore, but rather the US/NATO vs. Russia now that Russia has pledged to keep forces in Crimea. The sentiment here is like, "Welp, they're doing it again...we knew this would happen eventually." People here almost expect this from Russia, and even if they don't condone it, they're more accepting of it than if the US had done something like this. Just watch. The US will become the bad guy in people's eyes here, whether through inaction or by taking action. This can't be news to you, surely. This is the story of our lives as Americans.
What articles? I'm talking about PEOPLE. As an American in Europe, I'll simply walk outside my door and walk down the street while people ask me, "Are you going to attack Russia?" Some of them think the US actually invaded Syria. The fact that it's not true is precisely my point - a point that shot way over your head - that facts never get in the way of public opinion, no matter how wrong said opinion may be.
But don't take my word for it; I'm sure you can get all the accurate information you'll ever need from BBC headlines on your Facebook page, especially about that new Ukrainian interim government the media loves. It's not like they're riddled with neo-fascists or anything. Oh wait...
I've been to Europe 3 times. My grandmother lived in Berlin, and a slew of relatives (every single other member of my mother's family) that were stuck in the East until 1989. I've seen the Stazi in action.
I don't even have a Facebook page. Got rid of it 3 years ago.
And.......both Russia and Ukraine are filled with "neo-fascists". I don't think there is really any distinction.
Again. There are too many assumptions being made for any kind of real dialogue to happen around this at all.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:23:00 -
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I do not believe that anyone can speak for the Ukraine or Russia. They can only speak for themselves. I find that the young suffer the stupidity of the bitter and old. |
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
354
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:33:00 -
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What's happening is the corrupt officials were ousted after the protests, and the people in charge now were darlings of the media, seen as the ousters of a corrupt regime...and they sorta were. However, what's just now coming to light is that many of those darlings are far-right wing extremists. Let's be honest here: these were elected officials, and as corrupt as they may have been, they were still elected. This fact was simply pushed under the rug by the media, hoping no one would notice. I'm not saying the protesters were bad, I'm just saying the media as usual lumped everyone together when it's far too complex to be simplified in such a way.
My original point was simply that in Europeans eyes, whether they even realize it or not, Russia often gets a free pass with them. Sure, they may say it's wrong, but you won't see huge protests in London or Rome or Paris against Russia like you saw against the US on the eve of the Iraq war. What's more, Russia has CLAIMED Crimea; they don't want to simply invade, they want to keep it. The US never had any intention of taking over any other country, simply correcting what Bush and co. felt needed correcting. Sure it's arrogant, but it's not empire-building. Yet no one bats an eye when in the last few years Russia has attacked and absorbed two countries.
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XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:46:00 -
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In my opinion, the west uses economics, Diplomacy in the form of globalization to maintain control, I mite not 100% agree with it, but its WAY more better then how things were in the past. Selling Cars and random crap, is more profitable then war is these days.
Remember the US always seeks approval from the UN first before taking military actions, if they can't get approval from the UN, they will then try to find other country to back them before taking military action against the UN wishes(See Vietnam and Second Iraq war), if they have enough allies, and internal willingness to do so.
Even having an "Anti American" government wont get you invaded by the US(it will get you economic sanctions, I don't 100% agree with this either, but... its a better alternative) though, as long as you don't start threatening your pro-american Neighbors, or start killing mass amounts of your "pro-american" citizen, or killing mass amounts of people in general. |
Bhaal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:34:00 -
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All I know is Putin is spanking Obama all over the place in terms of international politics. First the Syria weapons undressing in front of the international public, and now this. 
gg Putin
Edit: Obama need to call **** Cheney for some advice. |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:59:00 -
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Ukrainian soldiers! Remember: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. NEVER SURRENDER!!!! Putin may threaten you, but if you give in he will continue to abuse you and make Ukraine part of his prperty. Fight hard in your upcomming battle! |
selket Shihari
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:11:00 -
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just give the Russians their Vodka, and this will be over shortly |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
3250
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Posted - 2014.03.03 19:38:00 -
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This thread needs more George W Bush.
Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model)
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.03 21:07:00 -
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You should be glad the US is deliberating a strategy slowly and deliberately.
Besides, why is the EU not lifting a finger even ? Are they all suddenly sick in bed with a cold or something ???
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1084
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Posted - 2014.03.03 21:10:00 -
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All I know is that America is awesome.
Wishing you were here... Eternum.
(Is that inflammatory? Let's see!")
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jason hill
The Riot Formation
Fatal Ascension
447
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Posted - 2014.03.03 21:26:00 -
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I cant see how anyone in the west can actually do anything about this tbh Ukraine isn't part of the EU nor is it a member of nato ..and we have seen pretty much how ineffective nato is when dealing with Russia when Ossetia declared itself indepentant
nato just stood by and let it happen . Russia wasn't stupid when the wall came down in the 90`s it purposely encouraged is citizens to emigrate to its immediate satalite countries for just this reason
and if you take a little bit of a step back and see the bigger picture Russia its not really sabre rattling to the west in any particular way ...its sending a message to the east ...the Chinese not to think about encroaching on its borders ...
its the bigger picture girls and boys
in essence Russia is **** scare of a billion Chinese sitting there eyeing up its recourses
and in all honesty ..who wouldn't |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.03.04 00:38:00 -
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Although I fully understand the emotions involved in living in such dangerous times, talking politics and its implications is not allowed.
Therefore, thread locked.
OOPE Rules:
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.
ISD Ezwal
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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