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Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:24:00 - [1] - Quote im trying to find an isk activity that is cheap to cover in case of loss (L4s have proven to be counter productive with my current skills)..... i can use T2 components for both shield and armor, and can fly all T1 subcaps, it seems C1 WHs are the easier ones, and im desperate to get a better isk activity (mining and PI is killing me of boredom).... so i want to know, how much would someone get roaming C1/C2 WHs with a BC (?)..........i like the idea of living in a WH but i dont have enough isk to cover that, so an ever traveling ship is more likely.....
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar 608	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:06:00 - [2] - Quote A t2 fit bc will be fine in a C1. You're better off dipping in and dipping out. Living in anything smaller than a C3 is counterproductive. You will lose a ship here or there, but you'll have more fun than level 4's. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote maybe but i need to see actual numbers, to see if its more profitable or not......
Klarion Sythis Sky Fighters 231	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote If L4's are somehow counter productive for you, then I can only imagine if/when you get ganked in a wormhole that it'll be catastrophic to you. That being said, I really dislike PVE personally and I've never really done anything but C5's. From what I know, I don't think this is the solution you're looking for. Once you have more isk to work with and you learn about wormholes more, it might be something you'd like to revisit.
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote i have some experience in WHs as an scout (finding connections to highsec for my old alliance) but im not well versed in WH PvE.....nor general PvP......but i know the tatics to keep alive in one (D-scan spamming, safespots, cloaks, bookmarking entries/exits)...... L4s were counter producitve cause i lost my BS, in fact i have lost several, too hard to replace, i have spare money for a BC and wanted to see if WHs would prove a better income than blitzing L3s, mining and/or PI.......im enough if its similar to null sec ratting or something (i know its based in loot+salvage)......
Angsty Teenager Broski North Black Legion. 242	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:36:00 - [6] - Quote You will make more money blitzing L4's or doing incursions than you will farming a C1. https://sites.google.com/site/talocanunited/class1/forgottenperimetercoronationplatform provides a list of the C1 sites and what ships spawn there, the value of loot from cruisers/frigs is very little, so you'll be relying on nanoribbon drops. They are ~3 mil apiece now, I'm willing to bet a C1 makes you much less than 100 mil/hour, which you can get blitzing L4's or doing incursions.
Nimfo Fox Lonetrek Blacksoul Federation Blacksoul Tribal Nation 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:48:00 - [7] - Quote I've only mostly used T3s to speed-run C1s and what I've gotten varies. It takes about 5 minutes to clear a site in a C1 and the payout from one site can vary drastically from 2mil to 50mil. Yes, I've had 50mil from one or two sites ONCE. It's RNG - whether you get the nanoribbons from salvage or not. Blue-loot (aka the items sleeper wrecks contain) only really matters in C3 where it accounts for ~ 47-50mil. Blue-loot is not rng and is guaranteed. And it takes about 15minutes to run a C3 site fast. In a C1 the blue-loot would account to ~2mil per site. Add the salvage and hauling in-out time to that and it's about 25-50 mil/h in a C1? This is what I estimate, I'm possibly wrong. Can be way more exciting than mission-running, especially if you encounter people. But I have to warn you - wormholes are a whole different world. If you like relaxed environment then going solo in wormholes can be a tad stressful. Imagine being submerged underwater in a shark-cage, you have to collect bloody meat pieces floating around you for your dinner and you know that with enough force applied your cage can be broken.
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:51:00 - [8] - Quote ok then what about PI there is it enough?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2049	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote It really depends on what you are after. I started EVE in April, and I was living in a C1 by August. I had the WH bug bad. If all you are after is isk/hr wormholes may not be the best option. But I never had so much fun as the time I spent as a noob trying to make WH living work. Honestly in the 6-8 months or so that I lived in that C1 i averaged about 500mil a week just running the combat sites that spawned. I had a small army of PI alts and made about 1.5bil a month in PI. But mostly I loved the life. still do.
Kateryna I Lords Of The Universe Exiled Ones 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:36:00 - [10] - Quote Silivar Karkun wrote: ok then what about PI there is it enough? WH PI = best PI Your income here depends only on number of alts and how good WH you will find. If you have time you can easily do 500mil/character = 1,5b per account a month. But a lot depends on your commitment. Polish PVP corp looking for members to have some fun together. Join me! Check our KB
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:22:00 - [11] - Quote im looking at different options, another would be to do gas mining but it seems it has a low value......... for the most part i was planning in a fit like this, and do some testing....... [Harbinger, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Co-Processor II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Prototype Cloaking Device I Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hobgoblin I x5 Salvage Drone I x5
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 117	Posted - 2014.03.03 08:46:00 - [12] - Quote The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor.
Oska Rus Free Ice Cream People 144	Posted - 2014.03.03 10:07:00 - [13] - Quote I havent tried them by myself but it is said that C1 anoms are not worth undocking, C2s are about the same income as LVL4s, C3s start to get around 100m hr per account if lucky C4s about the same or bit more. C5s and C6s is the place where the income starts to look interresting because of cap escallations sometimes surpassing 500m/hr/account. C1s are really great for industry and PI though. You can set up pos, you have direct hi-sec connection at all times and nothing bigger than battlecriser fits through to bother you.
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 532	Posted - 2014.03.03 10:42:00 - [14] - Quote C1s are excellent money given you got proper equipment. Since you produce wrecks like crazy, they drop nanos like crazy, which is all the ISK you make tbh. At ~4.5m / ribbon, used to make about 150-220m/hr running a legion and a noctis, running around 12-15 anoms an hour including warps. Ship used was a legion with large cap battery, c-type repairer, rest heat sinks, TCs and lazorrigs. 600mm scanres is kinda bottom line for this. (Also means I rarely did that for more than 90mins a piece) Given how much nanos dropped in market price, you should be able to still squeeze 110-160m out of them. Taking a ship that isn't a zealot/legion might destroy your income, so I'd expect less than a third of that income using a drake in comparison. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" Moving pictures
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:58:00 - [15] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor. the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention....
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote Oska Rus wrote: I havent tried them by myself but it is said that C1 anoms are not worth undocking, C2s are about the same income as LVL4s, C3s start to get around 100m hr per account if lucky C4s about the same or bit more. C5s and C6s is the place where the income starts to look interresting because of cap escallations sometimes surpassing 500m/hr/account. C1s are really great for industry and PI though. You can set up pos, you have direct hi-sec connection at all times and nothing bigger than battlecriser fits through to bother you. i would only be able to travel with an Epithal, dont have the money to cover those logistics........
Hatshepsut IV Cascading Failure Un.Bound 25	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Silivar Karkun wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor. the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention.... If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked.
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:21:00 - [18] - Quote Hatshepsut IV wrote: Silivar Karkun wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor. the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention.... If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked. dont have the money for a POS........
Hatshepsut IV Cascading Failure Un.Bound 25	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:23:00 - [19] - Quote Silivar Karkun wrote: Hatshepsut IV wrote: Silivar Karkun wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor. the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention.... If that's the case fit a core probe launcher not a expanded. The cloak still isn't going to really help you, your better off posing up then trying to lurk in a site cloaked. dont have the money for covering a POS........ A small pos for daytripping is relatively cheap. If isk is really that tight, you should likely reconsider joining an established wormhole corp. W-space is populated by rabid-bloodthirsty shooty maniacs like me who love to find people doing things solo.
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 532	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:50:00 - [20] - Quote I you just want to make camp in a wormhole, just throw up a couple mobile depots in the wormhole you would like to farm. You can store loot and refit off them, which is 66% of what a POS would do for you. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" Moving pictures
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:38:00 - [21] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: I you just want to make camp in a wormhole, just throw up a couple mobile depots in the wormhole you would like to farm. You can store loot and refit off them, which is 66% of what a POS would do for you. i like the idea of the mobile depot but then i have the problem of moving the loot....
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2050	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:44:00 - [22] - Quote Honestly, given your replies so far I gotta say, you should prolly just stick with missions.
Marsan Caldari Provisions 212	Posted - 2014.03.04 00:36:00 - [23] - Quote Silivar Karkun wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: The cloak is stupid and isn't going to save you from anything. Fit another gun, remove co-processor. the co-processor is needed even taking the cloak out, its pecause of the scanner, the cloak is for prevention.... Don't fit the co-processor for a probe launcher just leave the probe launcher offline. In the event you actually need it offline something else and online it. Not to mention use a Core Probe launcher instead of an expanded. You only need an expanded launcher to use combat probes. The cloak is not useful for prevention. You can't cloak when targeted by sleepers or warping. People are going to jump you while you run sites or warp away from a wormhole at which points the cloak is less useful. In wspace pvp is often done by very patient people they will happily drop in a cloaked scout and wait for you to go back to running sites. PS- If you are dying to L4's you aren't going to like wormhole sites. In addition while the isk per hour is good running C1 sites the issue is that a given C1's sites are unreliable. You can run a C1 in an hour or 2 and get good isk, but then those site are gone and won't be back for a week or more. So you have to wander around looking for more wormholes to C1, which in highsec are going to coming from inhabited C1-3s or at least C1-3 conected to other inhabited c4-6s. I'd advise you look at faction warfare. Ships are cheap and rewards are high. Or start reading eve survival for all your L4s, and properly fitting your ships. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community.
Dizzy Uzzy Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 18	Posted - 2014.03.04 12:19:00 - [24] - Quote Your attitude sucks pal. You will get nothing handed to you. Don't have money for a pos? grind those missions. Don't have money for the logistics? grind those missions. Don't have money to replace your ships? grind those missions. Wormholes clearly aren't the place for you. If you lose battleships to rats, how will you cope with the cunning hunters of J-Space?
dan skirata Rolling Static Gone Critical 15	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:17:00 - [25] - Quote Obviously your skills are crappy if you are dying to Lvl 4 missions. Keep running level 3s until you can properly fit a BS, and have the ISK for it.
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote hmmmmmm TBH i didnt have problem with the sleepers, have just made an anom in a C2, but had to leave my depot and some wrecks due to newcomers.....damn it......at least i made like 10 million in loot/salvage........hope for better luck next time.... but i have a question, my fit uses a T2 10mn AB, should i change it for a micro? or a 100mn AB ? im using a short ranged setup, with quad light beams.......
Asayanami Dei Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 565	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:14:00 - [27] - Quote We killed a Brave Newbie few weeks ago running C1's using (why can't I links?!) a t2 fitted harbinger He seemed to be doing alright, I had a chat with him and he stated he even felt overtanked. [Harbinger, Jooberr's Harbinger] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner I Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Scorch M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I +drones CSM9 Candidate: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326853 Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/asayanami Twitter: https://twitter.com/Asayanami
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:36:00 - [28] - Quote good DPS but he wasnt tanking enough.....according to EFT......
Riel Saigo The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 140	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:39:00 - [29] - Quote Wormhole PI may be the best PI, but I think the income from it is sometimes a bit exaggerated. A lot of the best profit from it comes with max PI skills and the commitment to babysit your colonies constantly for maximum yield. This basically means you need a POS. You need to be parked in the wormhole somewhat permanently and able to access the planets. The alternative would be living out of an Orca (you keep ships and stuff you need in the Orca) and moving from wormhole to wormhole as you please. But Orcas aren't cheap either. I'd say forget about PI unless you're planning to actually move into a wormhole system and stay there. Without a POS or at least a nomadic Orca setup, you aren't going to do that. Which leaves you with either ratting or gas mining in wormholes. For those activities, you're fine with doing whatever wormhole you happen to discover rather than trying to move into one permanently. A Venture with a warp core stab and T2 Gas Harvesters will do the trick fine for sucking up gas. And a T2 Cruiser or Battlecruiser will be fine for ratting. Use a cheap destroyer for salvage duty. And don't fly anything in there that it would financially kill you if it got ganked. People who say mission-running is more profitable are probably right. But it's your game and your fun. If doing all this in wormhole space sounds more fun, I see no reason why you shouldn't do it.
Riel Saigo The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 140	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:41:00 - [30] - Quote Oh, one thing I forgot - an Orca won't fit in a C1 I believe. And really, it's so expensive that you don't want to use it unless it's helping you do something that makes a lot more money than you'll get out of a C1.

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