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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1935
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Posted - 2014.03.14 03:40:00 -
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I am aware there is actual friendship here to. I have several very good friends I've made in Eve. They would never betray me in a video game because that would ruin our friendship and they are actually my friends.
And yes, I agree with you, Eve both is and contains communities, many of which are outstanding.
The time spent in Eve is real, yes. As is the time you spend playing Team Fortress 2 or chess. You may be invested in your pieces. You may dislike it when you lose. When you lose, however, no limbs are lost, no lives are ruined, and nobody stops being able to pay their mortgage. Just like in chess or TF2, you acknowledge the game you sat down to play and in playing accept the consequences.
The consequences to high stakes poker *do* ruin lives on occasion, but people still play it, consciously aware of what they're getting into and consenting to play a very high stakes game very competitively.
People, but playing Eve, consent to playing a very low stakes game competitively. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
295
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Posted - 2014.03.14 04:03:00 -
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In Poker the goal is pretty clear, make the most money. Again, in Eve there is no such goal. Of course you could set yourself the goal "prevent others from making money" if you are into destructive goals.
I am also not condemning actions per se, I am all about motivations.. When I blow up other players I do it in the hope they at least got a thrill out of it, if not a good fight. The closer the fight, the more the shaking and the more fun! Or, admittedly, sometimes I may do it for the nice killmails. Not for the tears, mind. And then I do it to prevent intruders from triggering signatures.. and if, after the gank, I notice it's a newbie I pretty much always shoot some ISK that way. I don't want to make players mad, I want them to have fun while having fun myself. I would consider ganking miners, if I was a miner and wanted to get rid of local competition.
In the end, if you can justify your actions morally, it's up to you. But knowing that a player would like to just mission a bit in peace and disrupting him just for the sake of messing with him, is not my thing. And it's not the goal of Eve either, it may be _your_ goal tho which you set for yourself.
Damn, reading what I just wrote again... maybe I am sitting a bit too high on my moral throne.. While I wouldn't purposefully mess with someone in HS like I wrote, I would more likely do so in nullsec.. I would _prefer_ a good fight, but if I would come upon a gank I'd go for it too.. My personal reasoning here is.. "it's lawless space, he had it coming". Your reasoning for what you do is.. "it's space, he had it coming" (but, are corp chats, voice comms, ... part of "it's space"?) |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1935
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Posted - 2014.03.14 04:37:00 -
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The question of if voice comms etc. count as being within the game and the finer points of "it's space, he had it coming" are valid and interesting discussions, but given that this is my CSM thread I'll have to invite you to talk about it with me in C&P or privately. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
King of Warcraft
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:02:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:The question of if voice comms etc. count as being within the game and the finer points of "it's space, he had it coming" are valid and interesting discussions, but given that this is my CSM thread I'll have to invite you to talk about it with me in C&P or privately.
So to be clear, when you are publicly asked about what you consider to be the boundaries of the sandbox, your response is to not ask you those kinds of questions in your campaign thread?
It is not inconceivable that CCP would ask the CSM for feedback about potential EULA and ToS changes, so your beliefs/opinions on this matter are relevant to your campaign. |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1935
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:05:00 -
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No worries. I love these sorts of conversations, but I suppose I thought it would be boring to most. Ask away. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
50
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:30:00 -
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Lakotnik wrote:Hm..
You create content. What about the people who have no interest in your "content creation" and are ussually on the receiving end of it and are thus robbed of their time in his game. Let's face it, most of us have families and jobs and our "online time" is ussually limited. What happens, when your "content creation" gets in the way of these hardworking people and they're worse off for it?
Do you consider it a worthy note, for them to be able to have a choice of participation in these "events" you create? Because if you're only creating events for yourself and those who think like you (however flawed that might be), don't you represent only a portion of the area you operate in and would thus, if chosen for a CSM, be giving further imbalance of the territory?
Don't hate the Player, baby, hate the Game.
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Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:41:00 -
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I have high hopes that you will make highsec a better place for everyone!! Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk |
Winchester Steele
429
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:55:00 -
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As always Monk you will be #1 vote on all of my accounts.
Super glad to see you running again this year man, good luck to you. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Winchester Steele
429
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:19:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:I believe that betrayal of trust and perceived friendship should be encouraged, yes. These things going on in game are no different than a poker player bluffing. That level of play can be rough, but Eve is a full contact sport for your mind, after all. Sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I was talking about actual friendship. See, just because there are some kilometers between the people I communicate with, doesn't mean I don't value them and our relationship any less. Maybe for you Eve is just a game, but for me - and many others - it's a community. Psychotic Monk wrote:As for hooligans in soccer, no I do not encourage criminality or violence in the real world. I do support the odd bit of violence in hockey in that it adds strategic depth to the game, but stop supporting it as soon as it starts cause more than minor injuries. In these cases, there are real consequences and lives could be ruined. In Eve, zero lives are ruined. So, you and I are not real? The time I spend in Eve is not real time? The value I put on things in game is not real? EVE is real. And that's not just a phrase. And if you want to work with CCP on the CSM you should be aware that they mean that, and you may want to watch Hilmars presentation... And just to elaborate on where I stand.. I am part of Eve, I know the risks and if I trip somewhere, I'll take my lessons from that. If I fall for a random scam, I wouldn't be mad at the scammer, at most I would be mad at me if it was too obvious and if not I would be curious what happened. If someone ganks my ship, I'd either shrug it off cause it wasn't worth much or blame it on me for packing too shiny, or not paying attention. If someone betrays my friendship, I wouldn't be mad or raging either, I'd simply be disappointed.
Eve isn't real. It's a game. This predisposition to conflate reality with fantasy is as bizarre as it is disturbing. One of the most attractive things about Monk's philosophy is his absolute rejection of the specious association between "the game" and "real life."
(This is more in reference to your strange inference that Monk supports RL life violence via hooliganism because he likes to engage in non consensual pvp in a video game) This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Don Purple
197
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Posted - 2014.03.20 05:38:00 -
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Monk has my vote as I feel he is the best representative for for the pirate community.
He nearly in bodies an aspect of this game that is highly advertised and is a core part of eve without almost any proper representation in the CSM or CCP. Come to eve, be in the big fights or be a pirate or whatever you want. If you are a high sec player and get involved in pirating or any aspect of the darker side this man has effected your game play and nearly led the field.
To any players that may feel what monk does is undesirable to your game play, please remember there is no one better than him to show you how to protect your members and pilots.
No matter if you like him or you hate him, you should respect him and he deserves a place on CSM9. I am just here to snuggle. |
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
299
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:25:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Eve isn't real. It's a game. This predisposition to conflate reality with fantasy is as bizarre as it is disturbing. One of the most attractive things about Monk's philosophy is his absolute rejection of the specious association between "the game" and "real life."
(This is more in reference to your strange inference that Monk supports RL life violence via hooliganism because he likes to engage in non consensual pvp in a video game) Soccer is "just a game", too, right?
Examples, like my hooligan example, shouldn't be talken to literally obviously. Maybe a better example would be.. Someone letting the air out of all the soccer balls before the game starts. No one is physically harmed there.
(Would you be surprised if I told you Monk likely has a spot on my ballot?) |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
856
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:43:00 -
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What are your thoughts on White Knight mechanics? This would seem to be the other side of the same coin for anyone serious about highsec content creation. How can they be improved to encourage cooperative defensive play? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1942
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Posted - 2014.03.20 23:21:00 -
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Sephira, if letting the air out of the balls was a legal move in a game that strongly featured letting the air out of the balls, I would be all for it.
Zappity, having been on the defense and having been successfully defended against in these situations, I feel that defenders have a great number of advantages in these situations. I don't think they need more of them in a generalized non-specific way, but I do feel like they should know more about them. Honestly, each of the major types of content creating gameplay has several very strong counters, the shortcoming is only in the knowledge or will of those that would apply them. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
299
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Posted - 2014.03.21 02:56:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Sephira, if letting the air out of the balls was a legal move in a game that strongly featured letting the air out of the balls, I would be all for it. Well, in a way suicide ganking isn't a legal move - hence the CONCORD punishment. |
Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
9
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:56:00 -
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Psychotic Monk will be on ALL my ballots, probably at #1. More content in high sec is better for everyone. Better new bro content, and more easily accessible new bro money for replacing lost ships is good for Eve as a whole.
Psychotic Monk: I do have one question for you, in regards to your statement of making corporation membership more meaningful. I fully agree with you, it needs to happen. But do you have any ideas you would be willing to share here as to how that might be accomplished? Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2321
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:13:00 -
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This psychopath gets my vote. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2322
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:18:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:I am aware there is actual friendship here to. I have several very good friends I've made in Eve. They would never betray me in a video game because that would ruin our friendship and they are actually my friends.
And yes, I agree with you, Eve both is and contains communities, many of which are outstanding.
The time spent in Eve is real, yes. As is the time you spend playing Team Fortress 2 or chess. You may be invested in your pieces. You may dislike it when you lose. When you lose, however, no limbs are lost, no lives are ruined, and nobody stops being able to pay their mortgage. Just like in chess or TF2, you acknowledge the game you sat down to play and in playing accept the consequences.
The consequences to high stakes poker *do* ruin lives on occasion, but people still play it, consciously aware of what they're getting into and consenting to play a very high stakes game very competitively.
People, but playing Eve, consent to playing a very low stakes game competitively.
I have a rule, Monk.
Never trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.
It means that even when I'm on an op with you, I'm always watching my back. I don't expect to find your knife there, but if you decide to do it sometime, I've already planned out what I will do before you get it there.
And to take the poker analogy further - although I only play small stakes, I'm much more ruthless at the poker table when I'm playing with close friends than I am when playing against people I don't know as well.
Playing like that makes EVE more fun. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3359
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:27:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I have a rule, Monk.
Never trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.
Heck, I still have my wife's API, just in case... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lanctharus Onzo
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
25
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Posted - 2014.03.25 01:00:00 -
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CSM9 Candidate Interview: Psychotic Monk http://capstable.net/2014/03/11/csm9-candidate-interview-psychotic-monk Writer, Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast Twitter: @Lanctharus |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1376
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Monk will be at the top of my ballots any year he runs. He is a tremendous supporter of new players wishing to fulfill the "Be A Villain" advertisements CCP produces for Eve. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
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Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
34
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:41:00 -
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Last year, I had you fairly far downballot. I'm considering that again this year. However, I have one important concern, especially considering some of the stuff I have seen on minerbumping.com: What do you think of using EVE as a hunting ground for targets of psychological torture of the variety that Erotica 1 recently posted for all to see on soundcloud? here: https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:10:00 -
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Vote for pmonk? or vote for erotica?
is there a difference? vote for J315! it might be all the same. Well thats my opinion and i dont need to prove my opinion.
No. Not all "user generated content" is needed.
heavens, after reading all threadposts, i am more sure than ever.
There is one guy who has a lot of alts. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2326
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:15:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:Last year, I had you fairly far downballot. I'm considering that again this year. However, I have one important concern, especially considering some of the stuff I have seen on minerbumping.com: What do you think of using EVE as a hunting ground for targets of psychological torture of the variety that Erotica 1 recently posted for all to see on soundcloud? here: https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar
Seriously given the number of lightly-veiled threats of RL violence being posted in Ero's CSM thread, I think any overstepping of the line by Ero is the smallest concern anyone decent would have.
Honestly, if I were Ero I'd withdraw from the CSM race for the safety of myself and family, and report those threats to both CCP and consider reporting them to police as well. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
36
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:01:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Ranamar wrote:Last year, I had you fairly far downballot. I'm considering that again this year. However, I have one important concern, especially considering some of the stuff I have seen on minerbumping.com: What do you think of using EVE as a hunting ground for targets of psychological torture of the variety that Erotica 1 recently posted for all to see on soundcloud? here: https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar Seriously given the number of lightly-veiled threats of RL violence being posted in Ero's CSM thread, I think any overstepping of the line by Ero is the smallest concern anyone decent would have. Honestly, if I were Ero I'd withdraw from the CSM race for the safety of myself and family, and report those threats to both CCP and consider reporting them to police as well.
Then Ero should do that.
I'm not here making death threats. I'm just trying to ascertain Monk's opinion of Erotica 1's actions, because there's a difference between suicide ganking miners (which some of my buddies do) or scamming, on the one hand, and inciting mental breakdowns on the other hand. I'd be interested in a rep for the gankers. I'm not interested in a rep for people whose primary target is, apparently, not related to EVE Online. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2406
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:08:00 -
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Ranamar wrote: Then Ero should do that.
I'm not here making death threats. I'm just trying to ascertain Monk's opinion of Erotica 1's actions, because there's a difference between suicide ganking miners (which some of my buddies do) or scamming, on the one hand, and inciting mental breakdowns on the other hand. I'd be interested in a rep for the gankers. I'm not interested in a rep for people whose primary target is, apparently, not related to EVE Online.
Love Ero 1 or hate him, the teamspeak antics are all about creating a scenario where the client can't claim (with credibility) "I won the game, therefore you lied by not repaying me". Ero's entire reputation and business model revolves around never being caught in a provable lie, ever, which is why he gets a lot more clients than other 'isk doublers'.
To my mind (and I think, although I'm not sure, that Monk would agree), this is on the nastier end of permissable behaviour in EVE Online, up there with other nasty actions that will also cause a minority of people out-of-game distress, like hellcamping N3's primary station, blowing up someone's ship and telling them "Go cry to mummy", or trapping someone's pod in a nullsec bubble and saying "Get on my Teamspeak and sing 'What does the fox say' or your pod goes blap".
For what it's worth, CCP endorse the latter - they have played recordings of similar ransoms at Fanfest.
EVE is in a lot of ways like poker - it's ruthlessly competitive. If you watch a good poker player, they will often trashtalk to gain a competitive advantage. I personally draw the line between 'rude but acceptable' and 'unacceptable' at making real life threats, or using real-life terms of abuse that have real histories of violence behind them. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
550
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:57:00 -
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The Shell supports Monk.
Bump. I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ |
Snupe Doggur
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:24:00 -
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What was the most enjoyable part of your Bonus Round participation, Monk? What was least enjoyable? How did you happen to become involved? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1195
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:12:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:
Then Ero should do that.
I'm not here making death threats. I'm just trying to ascertain Monk's opinion of Erotica 1's actions, because there's a difference between suicide ganking miners (which some of my buddies do) or scamming, on the one hand, and inciting mental breakdowns on the other hand. I'd be interested in a rep for the gankers. I'm not interested in a rep for people whose primary target is, apparently, not related to EVE Online.
A closed GD thread indicated that P.M. was actually involved along side Ero in at least several if not a significant portion of the bonus rounds. If this is true it would appear that P.M. is actually on side with that being the direction they would like EVE to become. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
214
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:34:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Ranamar wrote:
Then Ero should do that.
I'm not here making death threats. I'm just trying to ascertain Monk's opinion of Erotica 1's actions, because there's a difference between suicide ganking miners (which some of my buddies do) or scamming, on the one hand, and inciting mental breakdowns on the other hand. I'd be interested in a rep for the gankers. I'm not interested in a rep for people whose primary target is, apparently, not related to EVE Online.
A closed GD thread indicated that P.M. was actually involved along side Ero in at least several if not a significant portion of the bonus rounds. If this is true it would appear that P.M. is actually on side with that being the direction they would like EVE to become.
I think that as a CSM candidate, it would be pretty important that P.M. addresses this. |
Stacy Knox
The CheRookies
9
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Posted - 2014.03.30 12:27:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:Last year, I had you fairly far downballot. I'm considering that again this year. However, I have one important concern, especially considering some of the stuff I have seen on minerbumping.com: What do you think of using EVE as a hunting ground for targets of psychological torture of the variety that Erotica 1 recently posted for all to see on soundcloud? here: https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar
Deserves a bump
DON'T VOTE FOR PSYCHOTIC MONK |
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