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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:49:00 -
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All of the seeded{smaller} ammounts of skill packs they added, were bought up by greedy rich fat cats, who are now going to cry a river of loss, as they have a good bit of supply on something everyone deserves to get at the proper price 75,000 isks. I think for punishemnent in atempting to charge 100%+ what they were by charging 500,000 isks, everyone who does go after this skill from here on out should only, and make sure you do this right buy from the NPC supplies, that will teach people who atempt price gouging like this in the future, they are asking for trouble. 
How do you make sure you are buying from NPC"s simple make sure your.
A. at a school!
B. the supply you buy from is insanely high should be around 100million units{items}
C. if by chance you do buy from somone atleast for the next few days, maybe a solid week report there names under this post, they will be treated proper
"It's a sad thing to see how the rich are evil fat cats that atempt to charge an arm and a leg for something that should be cheep, It's a low lvl skill and you atempt to charge half a million for it! now you will pay"  |
Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:54:00 -
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I think the skills will come out in more quantity, please read this post.
[Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] |
Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:00:00 -
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Wrangler thats not the point of this post.
It's about how those who atempted to charge nutty prices should pay! For what they tried to do to make a point and stand agenst this kinda thing, should it happen again in the future.
"tech them a lesson now or they will never learn" |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:00:00 -
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I bought 75 in Forge.
55 back on market at 500k, rest for corp mates and allies.
So stick my name up there... i dont hide behind alts and anybody with half a brain will know that if it was nt "someone" it would be "someone else".
Other regions got to buy them at 1.5 million.
Your solution a) wont work - mine were put on at a school.
Your solution b) wasnt appropriate either as the starting figures was also only around 100
c) isnt necessary as those like mtself who recognise the buying and re-selling of skills as part and parcel of the market.
You can make millions just by moving skills packs from empire space out into the other regions and putting on the market.
Bottom line is most people were too lazy to travel or check alternates. Sorry but thats the way things work in EVE - i make no apologies for doing what others ahve doen in the past, continue to do today and will do in the future.
So - I got one region, you've a few more to go yet.
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:08:00 -
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Solution B works just fine if you pay atention to how many you are buying from exapmle, Advanced market window shows diffrent lines well obvoiusly the one with a supply of outragious ammouts is the NPC one and if you look at the window when you first click to buy anything it shows again the ammount in supply so i simply wont buy from someone stocking 100 units at a school, alwasy slow down and pay atention and you too can avvoid buying at incredibly stupid prices/sell at 1 isk. see how this works I figured it out early on and havnt bought jack from any price gouging morons.
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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:10:00 -
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I got another region, bought the 19 there, made a quick killing, sold the excess off. Let's face it, it's no worse than the people who bought up all the MWD/AM,Plut,Phased Plasma ammo/Heavy drone BP's then gouged everyone for expensive copies for months, is it?
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:10:00 -
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And charging 500K for somehting that is 75,000 isks when theres no other supply because there was a mistake made in the implimentation is just as bad as using lag to pod kill at blockades. so either your a Pirate in battle or a Pirater of the market you sir have no honor!  |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:10:00 -
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you're ranting and not lsitening.
There were only 75-100 skills at the schools... there were not thousands.
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:11:00 -
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Morkt, they are going ot add a huge supply of the skills by tommorow so there will be a supply in the thousands, just like ever other skill out there, that is initially supplied by NPC's |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:14:00 -
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Morkt, they are going ot add a huge supply of the skills by tommorow so there will be a supply in the thousands, just like ever other skill out there, that is initially supplied by NPC's
precisely - so why the feigned outrage over the sale of 55 skill packs?
did you, the "main" of whichever alt is posting this, get beaten to the idea?
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:23:00 -
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Nope didnt get beaten to the idea dont care for the idae, simply put I'm trying tpo help othwrs avoid having to sped 500,000 for something that is 75,000, I work for a tree service and durring a storm back a few years our competoter for 10 years was price gouging becasue there was a limited suply of tree servics around at the time, now they are no existant in the business why? because they asked for it jsut like you did, if people heed warning to this kinda crap tehn it will simply go away,
To put it simply you spend 5mil-7mil for the 100 skill packs well you might break even with your overinvestment but you will not gain profit, unless you travel to the outer regions.
I dont care either way obvoiusly you see a need to defend your investment in these skill packs and justifing it so I musta hit the right cord, that or you afraid im right and people will wait until the demand is there at the right price and your plan to gouge will fail, but look at the bright side you'll break even. |
Waxer
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Waxer on 17/09/2003 23:25:58
WTF is this person on about, lol
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:28:00 -
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Waxer, you dont bring anything to the table, I suggest you read a little before just posting.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:30:00 -
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It is a great way to profit from the small quantity placed upon the market.
The drawback is the newer players might assume CCP set the price at such a level. This would lead to disgruntled players who cannot figure out why the skill is either non-existant or priced so dramatically high, when it is required to use secure containers.
I am all for making the money, just wish it didn't have to follow up such a problematic patching scenario with the introduction of the new skill and anchoring ability.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:30:00 -
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All people whining here should just learn some patience.
You either 'want now' and pay the price...or you don't.
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soonÖ |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:32:00 -
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Im not "justifying" anything.
Especially not to the fresh alt of someone who is not honest enough to run such a pointless "campaign" in thier own persona.
Ive sold diplomacy skill packs to pirates for 25million larana. Not my fault you don't know how to get them or who mgiht buy them... and thats really what this is about.
its about you and not me or anybody else. You've got a bee in your bonnet and its even worse that i have no compunction about being totally upfront , selling in my own name and saying "Yes i did that".
Your problemo not mine. Youre not the judge, the jury nor was it a crime... pleading the false case of others as an alternate character , whilst carrying the banner of "truth and honesty" is beyond hypocritical to the laughable.
Seriously - get to the nub of the matter and admit:
1) you're ****ed because you didnt do this first
2) youre ****ed because you paid 500k then found out you could have gone 5 hops and got it for 75k or waited till tomorrow.
Both, you will notice, are YP.
Sorry but it just doesn't bother me at all... its part of the game and its not a crime.
Go get a negotiation and diplomacy skiil and make your money back 10 fold... pay me 20 mill and i'll tell you where from.
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Larana on 17/09/2003 23:59:39
nope Morkt I was way ahead of most, I knew it would be rectified tommorow, I'm just happy you decided to make tracking down price gougers easier, thanks 
I or my alt or any corpmate I have or know in the allience im in, will never buy from you
SO you lost potential customers, hey your the one who decided honesty was going to help you sell the skillpacks you bought and atempted to sell for 100% increse when you did what click the button a few times I uderstand sellign them in outer regions at prices higher then normal but to jsut buy them at the school and sell them for more is lazy, price gouging trickary.
admit you jsut figured hey these people are jsut coming online they wont know these skills are suposed to be 75K not 500K so by fooling them you aidded to the cause, anyone who bought skillpacks and now realises they awere gouged check the info n that transaction Honesty boy here prolly didnt even use an alt to sell them, so if you see his name next to the purchase you know who not to buy from in the future, dotn be mad if you start loosing profits over the next few weeks Morkt you asked for it. I hope you have to end up Trashing them it's what people who use mistakes in Eve to prosper deserve, add to that M0o going bye bye.
and im a happy go lucky gal/guy.. whatever 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.18 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 18/09/2003 00:11:51
sure - go for it.
I can assure you that you will not impact my business by so much as .001% and you are wasting your time and energy.
Only thing you are achieving atm is making yourself look rather irrational.
This is a personal "campaign" that is getting more and more personal (at your end) by the minute - wouldnt i be easier to stick to using your main name?
SO far i dont see anybody els erushing to your alts support in this great galactic "outing" of yours.
Sorry but looks like a non-starter to me and thus - "harmless".
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.18 00:12:00 -
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Larana, you need to calm down. if people think 500k is too much for such a skill, then they won't buy it. It's the same as MinerII producers.
If people are willing to pay 8 times the value of an item, then you'd be a <fool> to sell it any cheaper.
So are you gonna run another alt-campaign on minerII producers too?
personally, I'd rather see price-gougers than price-cutters, at least it gives other people a decent sized margin to still make a profit. Unlike, for instance, the frigate/cruiser ship market, where unless you have your own original BP, and PE 5, you'll be better off buying from some price cutter.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.18 00:17:00 -
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yeah whilst you're at it Larana get another account and start on people selling implants also.
Some are asking 50million but im only asking 5mil - you can start that campaign off with my name also (though im not asking 50 mil im sure its also outrageous and a crime)
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Liscia Thierese
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Posted - 2003.09.18 00:23:00 -
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Morkt Drak,
Agree with your posts 100% damn percent. This issue will hopefully be rectified within 24 hours, thus anyone who did purchase the skill at vastly inflated prices did so because they placed a premium on convenience i.e. obtaining the skill immediately rather than waiting.
Perfectly valid business tactic taking advantage of supply and demand, and the herd like mentality to all rush off the same cliff.
No-one can rip you off without your consent - for those who define the prices as a 'rip off'..
Quote:
"It's a sad thing to see how the rich are evil fat cats that atempt to charge an arm and a leg for something that should be cheep, It's a low lvl skill and you atempt to charge half a million for it! now you will pay"
Correction: now YOU and others like you will PAY! (500k) :P ('you' in a general rather than specific sense).
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Fang
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Posted - 2003.09.18 00:29:00 -
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Supply & demand.
Many people by large quantities of cargo containers then ship them to outlying regions and sell them for a healthy profit.
Correct me if I am wrong ...but isn't that how an unregulated free market should work ?
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.09.18 01:24:00 -
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Well, as far as this game goes, most people when they're new they expect that everyone's nice and cares about everyone else. In this context, you don't fleece your fellow players, and if there's supply of something, you leave it there so that others "get a chance." Let's call these people clueless carebears.
Then with time some people graduate to (or some even start the game with) the "heck, if the game allows it, I'm doing it" mentality, "and there's nothing wrong with it, everyone does it". Let's call these people *******s.
For the middle ground, you have the people who usually don't do this kind of market griefing, but who usually expect it from this game. They usually don't care about others, but they will try to not get scammed themselves. |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.18 01:24:00 -
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A mate of mine bought me some from him (BBBB). I consider it even now for the Apoc of his we wrecked in MJYW-3. 
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Cattraknoff
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Posted - 2003.09.18 01:38:00 -
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Well, as far as this game goes, most people when they're new they expect that everyone's nice and cares about everyone else. In this context, you don't fleece your fellow players, and if there's supply of something, you leave it there so that others "get a chance." Let's call these people clueless carebears.
Then with time some people graduate to (or some even start the game with) the "heck, if the game allows it, I'm doing it" mentality, "and there's nothing wrong with it, everyone does it". Let's call these people *******s.
For the middle ground, you have the people who usually don't do this kind of market griefing, but who usually expect it from this game. They usually don't care about others, but they will try to not get scammed themselves.
new folk shouldnt hang around outer regions anyway!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.18 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 18/09/2003 01:47:17
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A mate of mine bought me some from him (BBBB). I consider it even now for the Apoc of his we wrecked in MJYW-3.
We've never had an apoc in mjyw-3. 
You might mean an NPC-hunting scorpion that i lost to.. erm... vergita(?) , if so i made enough for 2 today so - thx!
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.18 01:54:00 -
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I think the skill reselling was a brilliant thing to do. I was actually in a school the second TomB manually inserted the skill in that system, but alas, I didn't have the resources to buy em all myself.
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Larana
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Posted - 2003.09.18 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Larana on 18/09/2003 02:54:56
I read a post somewhere I think it was Eve-I.com about making an agreement to have a price floor. and it's looking like the only way we could get the market to stabilize before the year 2004. lol
As for the carebear matter, correct me if I'm wrong but didnt most of the pirates whine when they didnt get there way? Either way were all a bunch of big babies.
I have complained in the past, but anymore it's up to the players to make the choices, it's called player run market,
Economy.
you can.
A. Respect the logics of the system and not cause grief just to squeese a prety penny out of the players, you might one day need backing you to maintain any shares/strength/trust/honor in your Corporation.
B. Corrupt it and screw with the dynamics to the end that the stockmarket will if ever implimented be utterly useless
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I personaly dont fully undestand how a stockmarket would work, I've never studied but I do believe it will be useless if current trends remain.
would somoene who does understand the complexities of a stockmarket care to explain?
I just dont have the words or knowldge.
As for why I remain hidden behind an alt well it's possable I am someone you know influential enougth to make a diffrence, then agin I could be the guy your chatting with that just asked where I can signup for your corp, and if I perchance earn your trust and rip you off would you not come here and complain. isnt that a vicious cycle?
{I would never do what I said above but just stop and think for a second, where did this all stem from}?
GREED!
Genorosity: has seen my labors fruited in many ways.
Honesty: has proven longevity and provided many allies.
Anonymity: has given my eyes where I need them with those I dont trust.
Trust: has given me strength.
The more trusting and trusted the more generous you/they are.
see the logic/productive cycle here ?
I dont use my spying eyes to take whats not mine. It's called a code of ethics, some have it some dont when you dont you eventully go out of business in the real world, and scense in Eve people are not really risking anytihng why bother?
depends on how long you want to survive the game I guess.
I'll be here as long as the sun sets.
"I might not be able to understand what im saying all the time, but my mind knows wtf im thinking" 
either way I'm about to log for the night got work tommorow. enjoy your time in Eve folks |
Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.09.18 03:01:00 -
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I will never do business with BBBB or you after this stunt.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.18 03:10:00 -
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sry - you are hiding your identity and talking about honour, ethics and being "upfront".
Define "contradiction"?
Simple fact is you cant infiltrate BBBB so we don't need to worry about that. If you are influential in any way its pointless hiding behind an alt - so not bothered there either... its all an over reaction to simple market useage:
buy low, sell high.
this is largely something for you to get over im afraid.... and maybe for CCP to think about how they introduce numbers of skills that are low.
Either way the amount of skills introduced is only an effect of available cash, 4.5 million here, 45 mil or 4.5 bill, there... you cant stop, and there is no need or reasont os top, buying low and selling high and trying to control any individual or mass-market, market item.
All the "Lowery" stuff about honour and strength is, frankly, bollox and you are still hiding behind an alt... about the only tangible fact you've so far introduced.
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