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Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:09:00 - [1] - Quote Right now I am doing L4s shield tanking with most my shield tanking skills a little low, and yes I know its not optimal but even with these skills I should be able to do L4s pretty easily right? Well I am currently having trouble doing them since I have to constantly run my xtra large shield booster and even then I am getting damaged faster than it can heal. I am coming from armor tanking a Navy Apoc and when I was tanking with that I could just sit there and tank everything without a thought while blowing enemies out of the space time continuum. While I am still able to kill them pretty fast I just can't tank the damage even while speed tanking. Please help I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. High power 7x 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I 1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium power 1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x 100MN Afterburner I 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II (using 800s) 1x Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I 1x Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Low power 4x Gyrostabilizer II 3x Tracking Enhancer II Charges 160x Phased Plasma L 1,482x Titanium Sabot L 1,000x Fusion L Drones 14x Warrior II 5x Salvage Drone I
Batelle HOMELE55 2081	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:17:00 - [2] - Quote replace a gyro with a damage control. Upgrade your hardeners for dread guristas or better, because they're a lot worse than t1. Consider upgrading to a cheap pith c-type XL booster for better cap efficiency. Lose the meta0 afterburner for at least a meta one (experimental 100mn one or something) Make sure you're shooting the right ammo. EM/Thermal hardener means you're tanking sansha/blood so you should be shooting EMP L. That kind of fit doesn't work as well if you are doing poor dps, which could be an issue with your skills or an issue with ammo type. get better skills. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:24:00 - [3] - Quote I was shooting the right ammo it was just equipped and not in my inventory, just got done doing a mission so I didn't have extra on me. My damage is fine its just my tanking, I will try upgrading my mods when I get the chance though I do not think it will help enough. If I am getting damage faster than I can repair with a meta 4 booster while I am constantly using it then I think that the problem extends past that. Right now I pull about 600dps (with drones) and I am still leveling up my skills so that number will keep rising.
Ayeshah Volfield Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:25:00 - [4] - Quote [Machariel, Mission Mach] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Experimental 100MN Afterburner I Tech 2 Mission specific resist Tech 2 Mission specific resist Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L Auto Targeting System I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I [Empty Rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Salvage Drone I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Learn to pulse your booster. Train for T2 Tank, at least. I enjoyed eve until I went to the official forums and found out that the game is dying and I'm the reason why...
Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:32:00 - [5] - Quote Ayeshah Volfield wrote: Learn to pulse your booster. I'll try pulsing after I upgrade my hardware since I would die if I tried to now.
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 313	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:39:00 - [6] - Quote sounds like it just a skill thing hows about going back to your armor ship until ur shield/ projectile skills are better?
Rumini The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 6	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:42:00 - [7] - Quote Theragor wrote: Right now I am doing L4s shield tanking with most my shield tanking skills a little low, and yes I know its not optimal but even with these skills I should be able to do L4s pretty easily right? Well I am currently having trouble doing them since I have to constantly run my xtra large shield booster and even then I am getting damaged faster than it can heal. I am coming from armor tanking a Navy Apoc and when I was tanking with that I could just sit there and tank everything without a thought while blowing enemies out of the space time continuum. While I am still able to kill them pretty fast I just can't tank the damage even while speed tanking. Please help I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. High power 7x 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I 1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium power 1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x 100MN Afterburner I 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II (using 800s) 1x Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I 1x Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Low power 4x Gyrostabilizer II 3x Tracking Enhancer II Charges 160x Phased Plasma L 1,482x Titanium Sabot L 1,000x Fusion L Drones 14x Warrior II 5x Salvage Drone I Have you considered the fact it's not the fit, or the ship but simply your skills at this time? Risking an expensive hull without a full tech 2 tank is not a good idea. Park the ship, get back in to Apoc till you can use the ship correctly. Problem solved.
Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:47:00 - [8] - Quote Rumini wrote: Have you considered the fact it's not the fit, or the ship but simply your skills at this time? Risking an expensive hull without a full tech 2 tank is not a good idea. Park the ship, get back in to Apoc till you can use the ship correctly. Problem solved. Well would an extra 5% resist make that big a difference and +100 hp with booster? Also I sold my apoc to afford the mach.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 63	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:50:00 - [9] - Quote Aim to over tank than slowly drop the cap mods in low as you get better "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1474	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:51:00 - [10] - Quote I can't say how much TE changes crippled damage application but before it happened my mach could start blapping rats at locking range which I had around 90km or maybe even little more. Not many rats can do anything substantial to you at this range, and those able to do it have quite low ROF (amarr BS for example) so if you move and keep transversal high you should be able to kill enough stuff to mitigate incoming damage enough to close range and finish harder rats. And definitely get your skills up because 600dps including drones is frakking low for a mach, you should be able to pump 700-800 from guns alone. In mach your tank is mainly gank and speed with bursts of shield booster to survive initial damage while you are maneuvering out of rats ranges. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold

Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:57:00 - [11] - Quote Some good feedback above. A question. If you find that right now your problems come from bad shield tanking skills, why not use an Armor Mach until you have those trained up? Here is a fast example... [Machariel, Armor] Centus B-Type Armor EM Hardener Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:58:00 - [12] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: I can't say how much TE changes crippled damage application but before it happened my mach could start blapping rats at locking range which I had around 90km or maybe even little more. Not many rats can do anything substantial to you at this range, and those able to do it have quite low ROF (amarr BS for example) so if you move and keep transversal high you should be able to kill enough stuff to mitigate incoming damage enough to close range and finish harder rats. And definitely get your skills up because 600dps including drones is frakking low for a mach, you should be able to pump 700-800 from guns alone. In mach your tank is mainly gank and speed with bursts of shield booster to survive initial damage while you are maneuvering out of rats ranges. For the speed do you keep the AB on because that kills my cap. I usually just use it if I need range, either positive or negative. And I've been upgrading skills that effect large projectile turrets, I leveled up 2 skills and the dps already went up near about 100 dps.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:00:00 - [13] - Quote Theragor wrote: For the speed do you keep the AB on because that kills my cap. I usually just use it if I need range, either positive or negative. And I've been upgrading skills that effect large projectile turrets, I leveled up 2 skills and the dps already went up near about 100 dps. Oh then, there is your problem. The Machariel is the fastest battleship, and also the one with the smallest signature. You don't run it like a Navy Apoc, but you keep moving at all times. Its speed and low signature aids a lot in damage mitigation, and combined with its good gank makes a very sturdy missioner.
Theragor The Amarr Republic Tyrgalle Trade Guild 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:04:00 - [14] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Some good feedback above. A question. If you find that right now your problems come from bad shield tanking skills, why not use an Armor Mach until you have those trained up? Here is a fast example... [Machariel, Armor] Centus B-Type Armor EM Hardener Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ill probably try something like this, though I will probably use tech 2 instead of faction/deadspace stuff since its usually cheaper.TY
Theragor 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:09:00 - [15] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Theragor wrote: For the speed do you keep the AB on because that kills my cap. I usually just use it if I need range, either positive or negative. And I've been upgrading skills that effect large projectile turrets, I leveled up 2 skills and the dps already went up near about 100 dps. Oh then, there is your problem. The Machariel is the fastest battleship, and also the one with the smallest signature. You don't run it like a Navy Apoc, but you keep moving at all times. Its speed and low signature aids a lot in damage mitigation, and combined with its good gank makes a very sturdy missioner. Well yeah I keep moving but if I keep my AB on it kills my cap, as in it takes it down to near a quarter.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:13:00 - [16] - Quote One quarter? Whats you afterburner and fuel conservation skills?
Theragor 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:17:00 - [17] - Quote Horrible never trained em XD never had to use an AB with Amarr. (except in pvp)
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:23:00 - [18] - Quote Well...there you have it..XD A Machariel is simply not the ship for you right now. Train up your navigation, projectile and shield tanking skills and come back to it in a month (or three).
Theragor 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:35:00 - [19] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Well...there you have it..XD A Machariel is simply not the ship for you right now. Train up your navigation, projectile and shield tanking skills and come back to it in a month (or three). Nah shouldn't take me that long. My attributes right now are specced towards weapon training and I still have 2 respecs left.
Rumini The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 7	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:12:00 - [20] - Quote Theragor wrote: Bertrand Butler wrote: Well...there you have it..XD A Machariel is simply not the ship for you right now. Train up your navigation, projectile and shield tanking skills and come back to it in a month (or three). Nah shouldn't take me that long. My attributes right now are specced towards weapon training and I still have 2 respecs left. It's given the Machariel is if no the best, a top mission ship. You can browse and see tons of ridicules fits with cruiser speeds, insane dps and sick completion times. What those fit's dont show is the Mach uses its guns for tank and the guys pulling those things off have almost all relevant skills to 5. Expecting it to tank like an Amarr ship against Sansha rats with low skills is a recipe for a dead Mach. Pirate ships as a whole require extensive training to use to their potential. I can't tell you what to do with your isk and your ship. All we can do is make recommendations. And it's generally recommended that the Mach is an advanced ship for advanced user with advanced skill sets. Ignoring those recommendations is to do so at your own risk. Personally I'd shelve the mach for the time being until you get the required skills. Best of luck either way.

Batelle HOMELE55 2167	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:39:00 - [21] - Quote Theragor wrote: Rumini wrote: Have you considered the fact it's not the fit, or the ship but simply your skills at this time? Risking an expensive hull without a full tech 2 tank is not a good idea. Park the ship, get back in to Apoc till you can use the ship correctly. Problem solved. Well would an extra 5% resist make that big a difference and +100 hp with booster? Also I sold my apoc to afford the mach. 5% resists is actually -10% damage taken compared to what you're taking right now. The booster also gives you more shield while eating less capacitor (as long as you're not overboosting). Its not a magic bullet but its a start. The damage control will also reduce the shield damage you take by an additional 7.5% and double the amount of time you have to GTFO if your shield fails. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote Batelle wrote: replace a gyro with a damage control. Upgrade your hardeners for dread guristas or better, because they're a lot worse than t1. Consider upgrading to a cheap pith c-type XL booster for better cap efficiency. Lose the meta0 afterburner for at least a meta one (experimental 100mn one or something) Make sure you're shooting the right ammo. EM/Thermal hardener means you're tanking sansha/blood so you should be shooting EMP L. That kind of fit doesn't work as well if you are doing poor dps, which could be an issue with your skills or an issue with ammo type. get better skills. This is the fit that I'm using ^^^^^^^. Here it is if you want to import it to EFT or better yet, PYFA. [Machariel, Machariel Shield PVE] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L [Empty High slot] Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:45:00 - [23] - Quote Also, take advantage of the test server. It can save you a lot of isk testing fits.
Dato Koppla Elite Guards Stealth Wear Inc. 505	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:55:00 - [24] - Quote I'm seeing too many afterburner Machs, MWD Mach = best Mach. MWD right up into the 20-30km sweet spot, drop sentries and murder everything with 1450dps while using the MWD to minimize damage loss to falloff. [Machariel, L4s] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L Auto Targeting System I Large Projectile Ambit Extension II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Garde II x4 Hobgoblin II x5
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 700	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:22:00 - [25] - Quote Machariel is a skill intensive ship with a light tank. Get a Maelstrom till you get better skills. It tanks like a beast and still does good DPS.
Syrias Bizniz The Scope Gallente Federation 263	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:53:00 - [26] - Quote Theragor wrote: Rumini wrote: Have you considered the fact it's not the fit, or the ship but simply your skills at this time? Risking an expensive hull without a full tech 2 tank is not a good idea. Park the ship, get back in to Apoc till you can use the ship correctly. Problem solved. Well would an extra 5% resist make that big a difference and +100 hp with booster? Also I sold my apoc to afford the mach. Sell the Mach, get a Bhaal. Emphasizes on the skills you have learnt, and is ... well, idk if the Bhaal is any good for PvE, but it's certainly one HELLA cool of a ship.
Dato Koppla Elite Guards Stealth Wear Inc. 505	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:59:00 - [27] - Quote Syrias Bizniz wrote: Theragor wrote: Rumini wrote: Have you considered the fact it's not the fit, or the ship but simply your skills at this time? Risking an expensive hull without a full tech 2 tank is not a good idea. Park the ship, get back in to Apoc till you can use the ship correctly. Problem solved. Well would an extra 5% resist make that big a difference and +100 hp with booster? Also I sold my apoc to afford the mach. Sell the Mach, get a Bhaal. Emphasizes on the skills you have learnt, and is ... well, idk if the Bhaal is any good for PvE, but it's certainly one HELLA cool of a ship. Bhaal is terrible for PvE, it's all about the neuts on the Bhaal. If you're going to get a laser BS for missioning you should go for either Nightmare, NApoc or NGeddon.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 701	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:11:00 - [28] - Quote As the posters above said Bhaalgorn is terrible for PVE. If you want projectiles go for the Maelstrom. If you want lasers go with an Apocalypse. If you want the Navy Apocalypse get it but don't waste ISK on a pirate faction BS with your skills. It's just a recipe for tears when you lose it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 14025	Posted - 2014.03.09 14:41:00 - [29] - Quote Theragor wrote: Right now I am doing L4s shield tanking with most my shield tanking skills a little low, and yes I know its not optimal but even with these skills I should be able to do L4s pretty easily right? Well I am currently having trouble doing them since I have to constantly run my xtra large shield booster and even then I am getting damaged faster than it can heal. I am coming from armor tanking a Navy Apoc and when I was tanking with that I could just sit there and tank everything without a thought while blowing enemies out of the space time continuum. While I am still able to kill them pretty fast I just can't tank the damage even while speed tanking. Please help I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. High power 7x 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I 1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium power 1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x 100MN Afterburner I 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II (using 800s) 1x Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I 1x Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Low power 4x Gyrostabilizer II 3x Tracking Enhancer II Charges 160x Phased Plasma L 1,482x Titanium Sabot L 1,000x Fusion L Drones 14x Warrior II 5x Salvage Drone I No rigs? Fit rigs. Other that that, your fit isn't bad, exactly, but it could use some help. Can you fit T2 shield hardeners? Maybe a cheap deadspace Shield Booster - the great advantage of these is that they not only increase your burst tank, they're also more cap efficient: it takes less cap to repair a given amount of damage with them. Also the Mach is absolutely not designed to "sit there and tank". You need to use your speed and agility to make sure that your ACs are doing the maximum damage (ACs have an extremely short optimal range, so you start losing DPS when you shot at targets more than a couple of Km away) and to use transversal and the mach's small sig to mitigate incoming DPS. 1 Kings 12:11
george harries School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 59	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:38:00 - [30] - Quote What Malcanis said, I'd also add... I flew a Mach after using a Golem then a Nightmare, I have (I think) an EM and Invul hardener and a deadspace booster, for some reason I have CCC's in the rigs(poor choice looking back) but cba to switch them out now however I very rarely use it....I only use light and medium drones - lights to get the frigs that occasionally get close enough to web me. The main tank on the Mach is speed (I have a Republic fleet AB) and the DPS you put out, Gyros, tracking enhancers etc will help the dps and applied dps, but my concern is also that looking at the fit you don't have the skills to fly it well, not just the main skills but some of the support ones as well.....also depends where you're flying, I am back in Amarr space now and rarely fly it but started using a Paladin which is interesting with bastion mode but the Mach is great in Angel missions or in Minmatar space



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