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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.03.06 01:48:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:Hi, Id like to discuss a few things here,..
What could it be and the reasons behind someone wanting to DDOS CCP ??
Lets bring it down to where it all started.
1- Why do you think CCP is getting DDOSed? 2- Do you think CCP brought this upon itself? 3- What did CCP might have done wrong?
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
Share your thoughts.
You know what? Actually, I would believe this is intentionally targeted at CCP, and that they brought it on themselves. Last time they came under attack, everyone got free skillpoints.
Who's to say this isn't an attack for the express purpose of getting free skillpoints again?
There were plenty of us at the time against the issuing of free SP for this very reason, so if this is indeed the case.... don't say we didn't warn you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2656
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Posted - 2014.03.06 01:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:People totally do ddos for no reason, yeah.
And just because you can't keep up with current events, they did it to Blizzard, too, as well as quite a few other companies(EBay too, I think). It's coming out of India, is the running thought.
So "they" are just hitting as many targets as they can.
My above theory aside, this seems more plausible. The NTP amplification is a rather new toy that web analysts are having a slightly more difficult time mitigating, AFAIK. And just like another schoolyard yo-yo craze, there are a bunch of kids with new toys that want to not only play with them, but show them off. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Shin Chai
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.06 02:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Script kiddies are going to spoil the internet for the rest of us 
Same reason why people Gank. |

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
54
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:40:00 -
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Hmmm. I wonder if this...
Dersen Lowery wrote: ... actually, while I think that it's incredibly easy to overanalyze the goals and priorities of script kiddies and their ilk, if I had to point to a motive I'd just note that CCP has been doing a great job of going after RMT sellers for quite a while now, and they're probably lashing out.
... and this ...
Eccon Dustwaver wrote:My issues started around a mini-patch around February 23rd. My issue with CCP is there has been a lot of poor craftsmanship on their part lately. I pay a subscription to play the game and not to fix their screw-ups. A company that has been developing the same game for over a decade should know how to properly patch the game without a lot issues.
... are related.  The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps! |

Ai Shun
1196
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Posted - 2014.03.06 04:56:00 -
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Gyromite wrote:I wonder if banning all ip's not hardwired to player accounts
No, because then one **** behind a NAT does something that results in EVERYBODY behind the NAT being banned. It would mean anybody not on a fixed IP has a chance of being seen as banned, even when they are not. Forget the concept of an IP address being able to identify something on the internet. The whole idea of public and private networks make it unrealistic. Even IPv6 will not solve the issue as you can have computers shared between individuals.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
394
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Posted - 2014.03.06 06:15:00 -
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Much as people would liek the DDOS attacks to be CCP fault somehow, it is rather unlikely. |

Flashbang Thereal
S0utherN Comfort Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:08:00 -
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Has there even been a confirmed Ddos attack? Have ccp said anything? Since not everyone is having issues with conection, something we ususaly haw when a server is getting Ddosed. I would speculate that the issue with conection have something to do with the latest patch sqrewing up some peoples conection localy between their own computer and internet conection. Maybe check firewall settings on router and computer or map a new port? |

Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:18:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Gyromite wrote:I wonder if banning all ip's not hardwired to player accounts No, because then one **** behind a NAT does something that results in EVERYBODY behind the NAT being banned. It would mean anybody not on a fixed IP has a chance of being seen as banned, even when they are not. Forget the concept of an IP address being able to identify something on the internet. The whole idea of public and private networks make it unrealistic. Even IPv6 will not solve the issue as you can have computers shared between individuals.
You get a new IPv6 temporary address each reboot on Windows:
ipconfig output
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:470:xxxx:e:edb4:40a9:b00b:135(Preferred) Temporary IPv6 Address. . . . . . : 2001:470:xxxx:e:3d79:cd83:b00b:135(Preferred)
So IPv6 is a solution and far more entertaining than IPv4. |

Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:37:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim' 99.9% of the time these things are usually due to something the company did to **** someone off. Take the 2011 hacking of SOE, PSN, & Sony by Anon just because of the arrest of a guys who hacked a ps3 game. So generally this is something CCP if you go with the status quo CCP brought it upon themselves.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim' |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2657
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:49:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
I just realised you said this.
Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.03.06 08:51:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
I just realised you said this. Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days.
You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL? |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2201
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Posted - 2014.03.06 08:54:00 -
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If I were a cybercriminal looking to DDoS for profit somehow, I wouldn't go straight for Lloyds of London. I'd make damn sure my system worked.
What better way than targetting a community that has a very active forum, so you can measure just how much of an impact your crimes are having? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
2
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Posted - 2014.03.06 09:52:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Hmmm. I wonder if this... Dersen Lowery wrote: ... actually, while I think that it's incredibly easy to overanalyze the goals and priorities of script kiddies and their ilk, if I had to point to a motive I'd just note that CCP has been doing a great job of going after RMT sellers for quite a while now, and they're probably lashing out.
... and this ... Eccon Dustwaver wrote:My issues started around a mini-patch around February 23rd. My issue with CCP is there has been a lot of poor craftsmanship on their part lately. I pay a subscription to play the game and not to fix their screw-ups. A company that has been developing the same game for over a decade should know how to properly patch the game without a lot issues. ... are related.  How so? |

Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
2
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Posted - 2014.03.06 09:54:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim' 99.9% of the time these things are usually due to something the company did to **** someone off. Take the 2011 hacking of SOE, PSN, & Sony by Anon just because of the arrest of a guys who hacked a ps3 game. So generally this is something CCP if you go with the status quo CCP brought it upon themselves. Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim' CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim. |

Mellisa Jade
Sarum Family Auxiliary Support
6
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:01:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:I Riven I wrote:Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason. they want an excuse to exercise power or are criminals
Like Joff from AGoT ? (Which starts again in just a few weeks time) 'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' |

Nalelmir Ahashion
Omen Industries -Entropy-
159
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:13:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:Hi, Id like to discuss a few things here,..
What could it be and the reasons behind someone wanting to DDOS CCP ??
Same reason ppl suicide ganking miners and invading PVE players' pocket missions...
Tears...
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |

Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
68
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:28:00 -
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i think its because of there briljant customer support. as they Always see something in there logs. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2660
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:45:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
I just realised you said this. Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days. You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL?
If the reason was to make you mad IRL, then the reason wouldn't be "***** & giggles" would it. If you're getting mad IRL over a video game, then I would suggest you aren't enjoying said game.
And also, the last I checked, you can't play EVE out of context because it's a sandbox, with an in-game narrative developed by the players. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
43
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:45:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:The NTP amplification is a rather new toy that web analysts are having a slightly more difficult time mitigating, AFAIK. And just like another schoolyard yo-yo craze, there are a bunch of kids with new toys that want to not only play with them, but show them off.
I would say it's more than likely to be this.
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:01:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim. sorry dumbarse but 'someone did something i didn't like' isn't justification
a victim is a victim |

Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2608
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:05:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim. sorry dumbarse but 'someone did something i didn't like' isn't justification a victim is a victim for example, you did nothing that justified my insulting you
(sorry) |

Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
6
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:16:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I Riven I wrote:Hi, Id like to discuss a few things here,..
What could it be and the reasons behind someone wanting to DDOS CCP ??
Lets bring it down to where it all started.
1- Why do you think CCP is getting DDOSed? 2- Do you think CCP brought this upon itself? 3- What did CCP might have done wrong?
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
Share your thoughts.
Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim'
Is that not the EvE mantra? I mean, isn't it always the victims fault in this game? C&P certainly attempts to convince me so.
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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:17:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Mandarine wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
I just realised you said this. Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days. You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL? If the reason was to make you mad IRL, then the reason wouldn't be "***** & giggles" would it. If you're getting mad IRL over a video game, then I would suggest you aren't enjoying said game. And also, the last I checked, you can't play EVE out of context because it's a sandbox, with an in-game narrative developed by the players.
Well, there are people who are really giggling when some random eve player gets mad IRL because of their actions, and it does not fit any ingame narrative, nor their character development. Simply put, they don-¦t care about their character, it-¦s only a means to an end (making people mad, collecting hate mail, tears etc).
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
And you can verily play any online game out of context, if you pursue results that are outside the "magic circle", that is, the game universe and ingame narrative. Once again, aiming at making people mad IRL, not playing the game to play pretend being a pod pilot and feeling elation at your character-¦s epic adventures, but merely using said game and character as a means to make people mad IRL, the goal being, feeling good about your RL self having been the source of a random player-¦s disarray, this fits no ingame narrative at all. It-¦s not play pretend, it-¦s being an online jerk.
Much like highschoolers trolling their classmates on facebook, or people DDOSing servers, |

Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
6
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:26:00 -
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Mandarine wrote: Well constructed point
Nail on head I believe.
I really do worry about that 60 bill CNR * 2 guy . Especially his family. |

Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2609
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:49:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Well, there are people who are really giggling when some random eve player gets mad IRL because of their actions, and it does not fit any ingame narrative, nor their character development. Simply put, they don-¦t care about their character, it-¦s only a means to an end (making people mad, collecting hate mail, tears etc).
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
And you can verily play any online game out of context, if you pursue results that are outside the "magic circle", that is, the game universe and ingame narrative. Once again, aiming at making people mad IRL, not playing the game to play pretend being a pod pilot and feeling elation at your character-¦s epic adventures, but merely using said game and character as a means to make people mad IRL, the goal being, feeling good about your RL self having been the source of a random player-¦s disarray, this fits no ingame narrative at all. It-¦s not play pretend, it-¦s being an online jerk.
Much like highschoolers trolling their classmates on facebook, or people DDOSing servers, false |

Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
2
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim. sorry dumbarse but 'someone did something i didn't like' isn't justification a victim is a victim for example, you did nothing that justified my insulting you (sorry) I could care less about being insulted I am thick skinned. However I never said that what I said was justification. However it is the reason that most of the children will give for doing it. CCP even if you try to deny it adds their own special fuel to the fire and burning bridges is risky business. You make a person mad enough they will do anything. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2662
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:20:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim. sorry dumbarse but 'someone did something i didn't like' isn't justification a victim is a victim for example, you did nothing that justified my insulting you (sorry) I could care less about being insulted I am thick skinned. However I never said that what I said was justification. However it is the reason that most of the children will give for doing it. CCP even if you try to deny it adds their own special fuel to the fire and burning bridges is risky business. You make a person mad enough they will do anything.
In this case, it would only be people getting mad for not getting what they wanted. Entitlement-fuelled DDOS attacks are little more than tantrums, and still not CCP's fault. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Zack Korth
The Scope Gallente Federation
293
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:23:00 -
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Flybiere wrote:Mandarine wrote: Well constructed point
Nail on head I believe. I really do worry about that 60 bill CNR * 2 guy . Especially his family. why? their dad has thousands to throw away on vidya shinies |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2662
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:27:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Mandarine wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.
I just realised you said this. Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days. You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL? If the reason was to make you mad IRL, then the reason wouldn't be "***** & giggles" would it. If you're getting mad IRL over a video game, then I would suggest you aren't enjoying said game. And also, the last I checked, you can't play EVE out of context because it's a sandbox, with an in-game narrative developed by the players. Confusion about the difference between reality and a video game.
If someone gets mad in real life over the events that took place in a videogame, whether in 'context' or not, then they are probably not enjoying the game, in which case they should try another.
In the case of EVE, though, there is no 'context' or 'in-game narrative' but that which the players create. This is the purpose of a sandbox. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
2
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:33:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
If someone gets mad in real life over the events that took place in a videogame, whether in 'context' or not, then they are probably not enjoying the game, in which case they should try another.
In the case of EVE, though, there is no 'context' or 'in-game narrative' but that which the players create. This is the purpose of a sandbox.
Actually you are basically wrong in a sandbox you can turn on and off pvp at will in EVE you can't. |
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