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Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:38:00 - [31] 33 seconds just to start a conversation with my agent in Hageken (right clicked on agent, chose start conversation and waited 33 seconds for window to appear). 45 seconds to dock (this is after docking request has been accepted) /signed I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Arkanor on 22/04/2006 19:59:38 I highly doubt the inability to play the game as it is intended in a certain system is "meant" to be anything beyond the fact that the node running that system can't support it. 500 people sitting in a station or doing nothing is one thing, but 100 people all running missions at the same time in the same system, well, you can see where that would cause problems. If CCP really wanted you in 0.0, the agent's wouldn't be in Hadoken, they wouldn't make the game experience sh*y for the sake of getting people to move. ________________________________________________ Originally by:** Imperial Baddour I just lost my ship, and dont feel like playing anymore!
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.22 20:35:00 - [33] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Valar The downtime yesterday and lag in Hageken have nothing to do with a server memory leak, there is no server memory leak anymore. O good, now you can all get to wrk on fixing the client leak! :D see i keep hearing people talk about the client memory leak, and im aware there is a slight one, but it's never given me any problems. even when running 3 or 4 accounts for extended periods i dont get any issues generaly. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS

Oveur	Posted - 2006.04.22 20:35:00 - [34] Well, I'd like to point out that we're not using load to move people to 0.0, we already have potential fixes for Hageken and other loaded systems. The fact that we want the whole universe to work, doesn't mean we'll impair your playing performance deliberately. Hageken, as other high-traffic systems will be fixed. Senior Producer EVE Online

Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.22 21:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Beowulf Scheafer oh , just a hind for you: there is a cosmos agent of the faction you use in hakegen in V-L-I-L (in the map) that is solo handable !!! gave me a snip of good stuff, the snip greetz, beowulf Post edited for bypassing profanity filter. -wystler I think you said something along the lines of there being a COSMOS agent or target for a COSMOS quest in Hageken, but uh, your post was abit hard to understand... Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.22 21:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Oveur So, like, should I take my tinfoile hat off? Yes, it can double as a BigAssBeerCup(tm). Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran

Oveur	Posted - 2006.04.22 21:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Oveur So, like, should I take my tinfoile hat off? Yes, it can double as a BigAssBeerCup(tm). Damnit, why didn't I think of that!!! Senior Producer EVE Online

Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.22 21:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Valar We are aware of the problem and it will be addressed. is there a timeframe? I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
Shinnen	Posted - 2006.04.22 23:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Oveur So, like, should I take my tinfoile hat off? Yes, it can double as a BigAssBeerCup(tm). Damnit, why didn't I think of that!!! Because you were too busy fixing the lag, RIGHT?! RIIIIIIIIIGHT!?? Shinnen ------------------
Na Jenton	Posted - 2006.04.22 23:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Oveur So, like, should I take my tinfoile hat off? Yes, it can double as a BigAssBeerCup(tm). Damnit, why didn't I think of that!!! Because you were too busy fixing the lag, RIGHT?! RIIIIIIIIIGHT!?? stop kidding yourself buddy... I recently bought a moa in hageken, and bought mods off of market there. took me 10 minute to fit it, as items kept on not showing up and ammo kept not wanting to move. er... and me buying 200mm autocannons was lag too... yea. *************************************** Stolen from a thief, so its the Right Thing to DoÖ Such a funny picture, go forth and spread the joy!
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.04.23 00:30:00 - [41] I hve to buy my weaponry for ERA/Tribute whoring from hageken. The lame system has NO warp disrupters and a fairly weak supply of ammo, t2 and ships. No pitty from me. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Alessandra Grey	Posted - 2006.04.23 03:07:00 - [42] Oveur, you rock. I know you guys bust your butts working on constantly fixing the cluster and we appreciate it, but having some dev insight is always appreciated, even if its just "we know its broke and we're fixing it." Much obliged. And by the way, depending on the size and shape of your tinfoil hat (mine is conical so it works well), you can cut off a portion at the top/bottom (depending on how you view it), attach a piece of tubing and have yourself a nice makeshift beer-bong/funnel. Cheers! Also: much obliged to all the people who've posted here who kept it on track and relevant. I dont see that much in the forums these days. Mucho cool points to all! _______________________ ...Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada...
TheKiller8	Posted - 2006.04.23 03:23:00 - [43] Yes come to god-damn 0.0 so we can kill you already! All those faction fitted Ravens floating about in empire.. just sitting there.. doing their lil care bear missions... BAH .: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :.
Aeina Caeraen	Posted - 2006.04.23 11:42:00 - [44] If the problem lies with mission runners, then it means that the problem is a group of popular, or a single popular agent. If it's a group of agents, then the solution would be to disperse them into nearby, similar security-level systems, which may or may not be possible, depending on the location and corporation. If the problem is a single agent, then would it not be possible to add new agents (or edit currently existing ones) with identical level and quality and have them be elsewhere? This would give people a choice, and it would cause lag to load balance between the two agents over time.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.04.23 13:04:00 - [45] mmmm ok ill pass the tin foil hats out thanks guys for clearing that up. So the agent systems are an issue - pehaps the previous suggestion last year in that agents used a lot (combat) the moe they are used the more jumps people have to make to complete their missions (this would work by moving people around agents that arent used as much each 24 hour period have less jumps or even in system jumps. This would have the affect of a) dispersing the mission runners as they chase quiter areas b) keep movement around high and low sec more fluid - disperse the markets sa ppl would be seeking goods in quite systems that they are going to for their missions Quite areas would see more population (its acutally a good idea i think why it wsant followed up perhaps lack of a program type approach to make it work) of it was other issues Anyway feel free to discuss. That is moving people around more highly used agents force u to travel further wheras less used agents even in .6 and .5 systems make u travel less to mission objective ?
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.04.23 13:08:00 - [46] Is it just me or is it mainly Caldari systems that seem to have huge lagg? Haven't heard much about people lagging out in Amarr or Minmatar mission hubs(Oursulaert's laggy as hell tho, but the system with the best Gallenet lv.3 internala security agent isn't). Quess the problem's mainyl cause by the fact that 55% EVE playerbase is caladri and 25% of Caldari just sit in higsec space whoring missions in thei'r uberavens. Maybe if you made othe races as good for mission running, they'd get more players and every agent runner wouldn't want to start as Caldari. It wouldn't fix the kag but it would prevent it from becoming even worse. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Matthew	Posted - 2006.04.23 14:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Aeina Caeraen If the problem lies with mission runners, then it means that the problem is a group of popular, or a single popular agent. My guess would be that it's largely that the 2nd highest quality L3 for caldari navy is at that station (the highest one only has one more point of quality, and is in a completely different region). Originally by: Aeina Caeraen If it's a group of agents, then the solution would be to disperse them into nearby, similar security-level systems, which may or may not be possible, depending on the location and corporation. The L4's could possibly be moved, but can you imagine the whining if they moved agents around again so soon after the last forced relocations? Originally by: Aeina Caeraen If the problem is a single agent, then would it not be possible to add new agents (or edit currently existing ones) with identical level and quality and have them be elsewhere? This would give people a choice, and it would cause lag to load balance between the two agents over time. Unfortunately, all the people running the existing agent would likely stick with that agent, due to having built up very high personal standing to that agent, and having a lot of LP on them. A new agent at the same level and quality might stop the problem getting any worse, but I doubt it would generate a significant reduction in numbers running the original agent. The idea Oveur mooted a while ago about making LP less dependant on a specific agent would certainly help that. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.23 14:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Oveur So, like, should I take my tinfoile hat off? Yes, it can double as a BigAssBeerCup(tm). Damnit, why didn't I think of that!!! Too drunk already? Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Koba Kyogen	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Valar Edited by: Valar on 22/04/2006 16:49:53 Hageken is suffering from the same thing as the agent hubs before the agents were moved around. Hageken is on a dedicated node and that node is still the highest load node on the cluster at any given time(excluding huge fleetbattles). We are aware of the problem and it will be addressed. Originally by: Miss Overlord The memory leak is still causing a lot of problems they havent pinpointed whats cuasing it. Last nights downtime issues were case in point. The downtime yesterday and lag in Hageken have nothing to do with a server memory leak, there is no server memory leak anymore. EDIT: People that think that CCP is intentionally lagging empire to get people out to 0.0 need a tinfoil hat the only laggy thing i experienced was the tutorial. those were the laggiest hours of my EVE experience. almost turned me away from this great game, glad i skipped the majority of the tutorial.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:01:00 - [50] Also I don't understand what was the thinking for the current agent moves. Vuorrassi for example already had the best(?) lvl 2 CN agent, so a fair number of people would go there. Putting the best lvl 3 and a good lvl 4 next door probably wasn't the best idea. Alot of lvl 4s really should be in lower sec space, with the exception of the maybe -20 to 6-7 agents. I've always figured the heavy pirate firepower and fleets wouldn't just 'appear' in highsec like the do. Plus if level 4s are either sucky highsec quality, or lowsec for the decent ones, that's just alittle more movement into lower sec and 0.0. I hope any level 5s are 0.0 only, with missions that involve striking faction infrastucture. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Basileus	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Oveur ...Hageken, as other high-traffic systems will be fixed. Now that certainly is showing best intentions. I would also hope your statement is true, as Hageken is lagged for a very long time now. Dare to put a schedule on your statement? When can we expect a fix?
Sterkur	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:35:00 - [52] I vote to move all high level mission agents to low sec to add to the risk vs reward factor. Who's with me? PS. TheKiller8 make more videos.
Matthew	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:43:00 - [53] One interesting statistic I've just been looking at - the map display for the number of faction ships destroyed in the last 24 hours: Hageken: 39000 Ours: 37367 Rens: 23645 Soba: 23620 I can't find any system on the map with a higher rat kill-count than Hageken. To put this into context, a rate of 39000 in 24 hours means that on average, one rat is being destroyed there every 2.2 seconds. Which of course also means that rats are being spawned at at least that rate, and loot cans are probably being generated at a comparable rate. That's a lot of stuff happening very quickly. Of course, it also indicates that, despite the lag, a lot of people are still managing to run a lot of missions. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Koba Kyogen	Posted - 2006.04.23 16:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Basileus Originally by: Oveur ...Hageken, as other high-traffic systems will be fixed. Now that certainly is showing best intentions. I would also hope your statement is true, as Hageken is lagged for a very long time now. Dare to put a schedule on your statement? When can we expect a fix? /soon
Calio	Posted - 2006.04.25 11:52:00 - [55] Edited by: Calio on 25/04/2006 11:55:13 Originally by: Oveur Hageken, as other high-traffic systems will be fixed. Please don't 'fix' them the way you tried to do with the agent moves. It's pointless!!! The fundamental problem is that the Devs never thought through the matter of high quality agents and how many are needed. For example, CN, the corp most Caldari nubs pick for agent running because they are obviously a combat corp (navy=combat missions, duh), has a very small number of high quality lev 4 agents in high security space (I can't think of any besides the ones in Motsu and Hageken), and sooner or later most people get to lev 4 missions and gravitate to the few systems where the agents can be found. The obvious solution is to seed a few more decent quality lev 4 agents in high sec space and so spread people around a bit. Moving agents (like moving the one from Niyabainen elsewhere) just creates new centers of lag in place of the old ones. Do we really need dozenS of lev 1 agents and less than a dozen lev 4's? "Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov)
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Valar EDIT: People that think that CCP is intentionally lagging empire to get people out to 0.0 need a tinfoil hat The EVE store doesn't sell tinfoil hats Do you know of a good provider? I think I need one because of the "no server memory leak" comment...
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Calio For example, CN, the corp most Caldari nubs pick for agent running because they are obviously a combat corp (navy=combat missions, duh), has a very small number of high quality lev 4 agents in high security space There shouldn't be any high quality level 4 combat agents in high sec space. The idea that fleets of Guristas/Serpentis/whatever ships are able to just amass in high-sec space like they do is absurd. Maybe if it were a 0.5 sec system next to lowsec, but tbh, only the crappy level 4s should be in highsec. People who want reward without risk will kill EVE. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:25:00 - [58] pfft, move all high ranking agents out to the depths of 0.0 That would be fun for me and no more lag for you! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:32:00 - [59] All of the hub systems are laggy. In over a year and a half the lag has remained. There will always be hub systems because of how people are. Instead of fighting it, CCP should support certain hubs and back them with extra hardware power.
Calio	Posted - 2006.04.26 02:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia There shouldn't be any high quality level 4 combat agents in high sec space. The idea that fleets of Guristas/Serpentis/whatever ships are able to just amass in high-sec space like they do is absurd. Maybe if it were a 0.5 sec system next to lowsec, but tbh, only the crappy level 4s should be in highsec. People who want reward without risk will kill EVE. No, it's fools like you, who can't get it through your thick skulls that 80% of the player base detest PvP, and who want to take away anything that 80% can possibly do to enjoy themselves in EVE, who will kill the game by driving 80% of the paying customers out of the game "Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov)

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