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Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 11:56:00 - [1] Need to wait a while till i get all skills and was just wondering. With all missile skills at lvl4, siege mod, dread lvl4, 3 dread guristas bcu how much will hit em citaldel torp to shield of mega (for ex) that is target painted also by phoenix ?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.04.22 11:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Grimpak on 22/04/2006 11:57:39 my guess is pain. allot. ..as long as you keep him webbed. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 11:59:00 - [3] lets say that transversal is 50m/s
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:00:00 - [4] if he is moving with speed 100mps + you will do zero damage! if he is webbed and target painted he will die in one shot if he is webed and not target painted he w ill still probably die in 1 shot! -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:08:00 - [5] you didnt have to say it by exclamation ;) so phoenix's best escort is : 5 ceptors and 2 scorps for webbing and target painting :D and then you can KILL :)
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Dragy you didnt have to say it by exclamation ;) so phoenix's best escort is : 5 ceptors and 2 scorps for webbing and target painting :D and then you can KILL :) no best escort would be one of those minimatar recon ships with webber and TP bonous, with a t2 destroyer so the stab ***s dont run -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:44:00 - [7] not so sure about it, its easier to kill a cruiser than a ceptor
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.04.22 13:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Gronsak if he is webbed and target painted he will die in one shot if he is webed and not target painted he w ill still probably die in 1 shot! Actually no. Citadel base damage 1800 Warhead Upgrades IV +8% Citadel Torpedoes IV +20% Siege Mode +625% 3 BCS II +26.38% 1800 * 1.28 * 1.2638 * 7.25 = 21,110.5152 damage per torpedo Megathron sig radius 400, Citadel Torpedo sig radius 1000, damage reduction 60% Damage before resistances / torpedo = 8444.20608 * 3 launchers = 25,332.61824 total Megathron shield (S. Management IV) / armor (HUG V) / hull hp (Mechanic V) = 5962.8 / 6641.25 / 7500 Using 1 EM and 2 EX torpedoes, assuming a regular tank with Shield EM 14% (DCU), Armor EX 57% and Hull EX 58%. Some of the first torpedoe's damage will leak into armour, but for simplicity's sake I'll calculate as if that was dealt to EX resistance (hence the actual figure is lower). 5962.8 / 0.86 + 6641.25 / 0.43 + 7500 / 0.42 = 40,235.4 hp Hence, two volleys will be needed assuming the target will not have time to repair 6,408 armor hp (14,903 raw damage) which equals 8 cycles of LAR II (takes 90 seconds with R. Systems V). If we use a target painter with +30% signature radius, the damage will be increased to 52% (400 * 1.3 = 520 / 1000 * 100) which will result in 32,932.4 damage which is still not enough. What would be enough then? 25,332.61824 * x = 40,235.4 x = 40,235.4 / 25,332.61824 = 1.588 = 58.8% = 2* 30% painters If you train Target Painting IV, you can train Signature Focusing which increases Target Painters' efficiency by 5% per level (this mean 30 * (1+ level/10), e.g. 36% with level 4)
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.22 14:00:00 - [9] never calculated it Jin Entres but i remember seeing a caldari dred pop a scorp in one volley, and that dred pilot was pretty low SP at the time! so i just assumed it was doable! and 2 shots isnt so bad for a tanked ship :) -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.04.22 14:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Gronsak never calculated it Jin Entres but i remember seeing a caldari dred pop a scorp in one volley, and that dred pilot was pretty low SP at the time! so i just assumed it was doable! and 2 shots isnt so bad for a tanked ship :) That was before damage controls were pop
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:05:00 - [11] The minmatar recon ships are a dread gang's best friend! Web AND target paint ftw. All the dreads need is a sensor booster fitted cause it takes quite a bit to lock (which is fine).
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:28:00 - [12] hmm, thx for this vital information :) when ill test my phoenix on corpm8s ill need to watch out not to kill em :P
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:29:00 - [13] but would love to see mega with mwd on =DDD
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:32:00 - [14] Level 5 in all target painting skills and 3 tech two painters will put most of the battleships over a 1000 sig radius. If your using a cov ops in the gang have him fit 3 target painters. WTB Sig, 50 mil, eve mail me and I'll tell ya what I want.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Dragy but would love to see mega with mwd on =DDD If it's moving, it takes very little to none damage. Originally by: Boonaki Level 5 in all target painting skills and 3 tech two painters will put most of the battleships over a 1000 sig radius. If your using a cov ops in the gang have him fit 3 target painters. 30 * 1.25 * 3 = 112.5 Even without stacking penalty that would make Megathron's sig 400 * 2.125 = 850.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:35:00 - [16] :) so just need a good support fleet. btw, long time no see :)
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Jin Entres If it's moving, it takes very little to none damage. i wouldn't use dread without fleet :) besides, if that mega has 100m/s transversal how much would i hit ?
Ilya Murametz	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:08:00 - [18] Phoneix (flown by me VS Tempest) = Tempest (sitting still) poof with one volley Phoenix VS Megathron(sitting still again) = poof one volley. for more examples..eve mail dont remember exactly but the torps were doing 8,000-12,000 damage each this is with one or two ballistic mod
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:12:00 - [19] very interesting :) im gonna love phoenix :)
Marcus Druallis	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:25:00 - [20] How often are you going to be able to actually use a pheonix in a fleet (besides popping a POS) because the need for Cyno's must SUCK (Or am I an idiot and Dreads can use gates) --- Player Flown Fighters? Robot Arm
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:28:00 - [21] very often :) and no, they cant use gates, but what fun is with solo pvp ? none
Ilya Murametz	Posted - 2006.04.22 20:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Dragy very interesting :) im gonna love phoenix :) Dont get too excited, this was pure luck that they were not moving (or pure stupidy on their part..either one )
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.22 20:59:00 - [23] but im gonna fly only with a fleet so all my targets will be immobilized :)

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