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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 19:36:00 -
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Yep, isn't T2 amo stupid. Remove it, add in new T2 amo with T1 damage and added secondary effects, fix faction amo drop rates and add faction missiles.
Sorted!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 21:16:00 -
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 Originally by: cytomatrix
You are only nerfing stealth bombers by removing cruise precision missiles. 
Snort. Ohnoes, the stupid hidden sig radius not enough for you? Gank frigates more in a BOMBER, YAY!
LCIceo, search. There are a lot of threads from arround the time that we were told this T2 amo was coming.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 21:56:00 -
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Do I really need to expand on why a BOMBER being ANTI-FRIGATE is silly?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 22/04/2006 22:15:57
Originally by: cytomatrix
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Do I really need to expand on why a BOMBER being ANTI-FRIGATE is silly?
Go ahead.
Because they intrude into the AF's role
Because bombers IRL go for big targets (yes, gameplay > realism, but that gameplay niche is filled allready)
Because the stealth is a gimmick
Because they are currently pure gank ships, and gank is boring
And so on.
Breed Love, yes, but to rebalance it across the board for secondary effects, it's all gotta go.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:28:00 -
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Yes
Just a few
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:33:00 -
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cytomatrix,
Firstly not everyone is aligned at all times, and on a ship with a velocity bonus you DON'T have long. And then there is the simple fact that an immediate warp out for every frigate within range IS the only POSSIBLE action.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 22/04/2006 22:41:31
24 seconds??
Um...
Range a reasonable, say, 50km. Raven, BS4, 40% missile velocity. Missile projection 4, 40% missile velocity. 3750m/s base velocity. Adjusted velocity 7350m/s. That's less than 7 seconds.
Even at 100km, less than 14.
At skill 5/5, it's worse. 8347m/s adjusted, less than 6/12 seconds.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: cytomatrix
Originally by: Breed Love
Originally by: cytomatrix
24 seconds is quick? Wow you must be using jovian watch. I have seen many frigates and cruiser warp out before getting hit by cruise missiles.
Mebbe you shouldnt try hitting ships on the other end of the universe? ^^
I wouldnt if the Manticore was less fragile. ^^
Yes, ditch the stealth gimmick, make them as tough as AF's and give them the new heavy rocket launcher which is comming in.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.22 22:56:00 -
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Some amo would be, sure.
Missiles? Got some more interesting options. Like torps with a blast radius, so you can smash those pesky repair drones. And so on...
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Litus Arowar
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Some amo would be, sure.
Missiles? Got some more interesting options. Like torps with a blast radius, so you can smash those pesky repair drones. And so on...
while I agree with you on most of the ideas, this one reminds me of how things used to be, and that wasn't good... unless it only hurt enemies, which is kind of an odd idea I think...
but if damage was balanced properly perhaps it could work without you killing your own tacklers
That's because it was EVERY torp. As one of three or four special-case amo's...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Grimpak
...wow... now my inty gets more expensive than your raven, doesn't it?
Yeah thats not right. But killing that raven with 2-3 frigates is?
Yea, if you mess up and don't carry drones, and have a friend in s frigate, and no nos, and...
Poor player skill | Excuse to not balance things
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:45:00 -
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Masta Killa?
Heh. Just..heh.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Its pretty clear to anyone who pvps extensively that tech 2 ammo in general, and precision missiles in specific are massively overpowered hulks of crap, that add absolutely nothing to the game's quality. If I had it my way, I would remove them completely. Precision implies sniping, or being able to hit at long range. Higher velocity, sure. Smoking frigs and cruisers - no thanks.
I think barrage amo is almost as abusive (from using it), but yes, you're quite right on this.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:29:00 -
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They haven't even been proposed, and given how worthless the T1 versions are, don't hold your breath for them being useful even if they DO come in.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi
Nerf drones too. They able to kill any frigate very quickly. And dominix also have to be nerfed.
There are perfectly good counters to drones with 2+ frigates (A solo frigate? yea, you're probably stuffed and need to run away. Why is that a problem again?). There is no counter to prescision missiles for frigates, period.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
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