How would it affect the game if Jump Bridges needed 2 bridge capable ships at either end to make them work?

How would get the second bridge ship into the system in the first place, and how would you get it out?

How would get the second bridge ship into the system in the first place, and how would you get it out?

Seems like the idea is to prevent instant power projection. Either jump your titan into a system where a fight will occur or jump to a titan a few jumps away and fly in via gates.

Unless there is some fundamental flaw I'm missing I don't dislike the idea, other than it seriously hurts lowsec alliances who do not have swaths of renter space or regions full of R64s to afford an armada of titans.

All of a sudden, the only people using bridges would be the biggest groups.

Unlike the rich political mosiac we have today?

jump to a cyno.

Oh right there's still jump drives.... It might be too early for me to be on the forums.

I'm rather partial to the idea of having a fleet "moor" onto a titan, then the titan jumps to the cyno, bringing the fleet with it. It has the same impact, forcing people to risk their titans, but doesn't double the amount of isk needed to bridge.

I know i will drop a bomb but could someone please Tell me what is the Problem with "Power Projection" i know sorry i am dumb but anyone pls?

I know i will drop a bomb but could someone please Tell me what is the Problem with "Power Projection" i know sorry i am dumb but anyone pls?

That's a very cool idea. +1


I sympathise with concerns that certain changes would impact smaller entities more than it would the big power blocs, but isn't that always the case? And even if there was a way to nerf large entities without nerfing smaller ones, would it be fair or balanced to penalise players for creating large-scale organisations?

Being able to teleport '000's of ships favours massive blocks and tends to a tripolar world much akin to that in the novel 1984.

Unlike the rich political mosiac we have today?

At least it's remotely possible to drop on fleets these days. Pipebombing, ratter ganking, catching stragglers, they'd all ceaseto exist if you needed to jump in a titan to bridge.

These only cease to exist when you are operating in a larger area than you can project your power in. It would then be restricted to areas where you have a presence. You are basically explaining why current magnitude of power projection is a issue.

Would you care to explain how one could hotdrop a ratter in Deklein if doing so required putting at least a black ops on the field before you could do anything?

Not at all. Hotdropping random ratters shouldn't be possible without some planning for a trap or having a presence in the area beforehand.

Cyno or capital changes that prevent another fleet from entering a camped system with ease in a non cynojammed system result in fights that don't happen, because the logistical inability to quickly get enough people into system to have a reasonable fight means that you either need to try and form up hours and hours in advance to make sure you are first in system (completely unfun) or don't form up at all (no fun there, for either side).

This is a game, the PvP'rs are here to PvP. Changes without clear purpose that deter fighting on a large scale due to giving one side an overwhelming advantage, or because the logistical effort required to get a fleet into a system multiplying by a factor of 10 or more, are inherently toxic to the game, especially to smaller groups without dozens of titans.

Any titan that opens a bridge should absolutely be required to go through that bridge.

I was all for this at first. It was pointed out to me though, the actual effect this would have is ruinous. People wouldn't bridge fleets unless they had the system the Titan would end up in completely secure, but if the system is secure why would they need to bridge in a subcap fleet? The end result is that people would end up using jump gates for subcap fleets and Sov warfare would return to "whoever gets their guys in system first wins". Any Titan balance has to bear in mind how risk averse corps are with their titans. Finding a balance between reasonable safety but still getting people to get their titans all the way out of the forcefield is always going to be hard.

There is no balance between "reasonable safety" and getting the titan out of the POS. If a change to bridging mechanics makes it so that people are too afraid to bridge at all, those who take the risk and do bridge will have a massive advantage over those who don't. That's a perfectly reasonable state of play to aim for.

Forcing the Titan to warp with the subcap fleet will result in no one doing it. So no one will get a "Massive Advantage". It is adding risk with no gain and no reasonable way to mitigate the risks.

I have often thought about this myself and would like to know others' opinions on the subject. Why is it that Titans and Black Ops can create a "bridge" with only 1 end? Surely a real bridge requires 2 ends, otherwise it doesn't go anywhere does it.

How would it affect the game if Jump Bridges needed 2 bridge capable ships at either end to make them work?