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Loki Ragnorok
Cadence Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:28:00 -
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Hey there New Eden,
I'm a full time commodity trader and part time eve fanatic looking to put together a small cadre of professional traders to approach the Eve markets from an analytical perspective. My thoughts are as follows:
Market synopsis
Arbitrage: beat to death
Market making: some value but crowded
Spec trading: lots of room
Analytics: nothing good (and public) from what i've seen
The plan:
Phase 1: moderately sized prop fund to test concept and build analytics
Phase 2: public hedge fund and a few index funds (long and short)
I'm currently putting together a sql database to underpin a basket of fundamental and price related trading tools. I'm also quite excited at the lack of a regulatory body in the eve markets >wink<. Shoot me a note in game if you've ever sat on a real world trade desk and you're interested. |
Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:47:00 -
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You'll have more luck over in Market Discussions |
Samwise Everquest
Lusitan Initiative
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:26:00 -
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I used to trade pogs. Sign me up.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17040
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:47:00 -
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Samwise Everquest wrote:I used to trade pogs. Sign me up.
Top Trumps > Pogs
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5268
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:28:00 -
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There's huge space for financial initiatives and even more investors ISK to fuel them.
When I just glanced at the innumerable possibilities of the markets and started a 40B fund I did not know I'd be flooded by investors who made me quickly expand it to 100B.
Then I had to hard cap it because I had received offers up to 250 billions which was outside of my allowed time to play the game.
EvE is truly limitless for whoever got what it takes.
Also, trading has still uncharted territories, you can easily move a trillion a day spread on some liquid markets, make an healthy profit without any boring "0.01 ISKing".
Just dare and try. 
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:37:00 -
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Market Discussion forum is where you will find the professional traders.
Not entirely convinced that hedge funds have a place in eve, with no security for the investor above "I promise I won't run off with your money or invest it in something I know will make a loss at a personal gain to myself", but surely a great potential for scamming. Good luck. |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
960
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Posted - 2014.03.09 17:05:00 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Market Discussion forum is where you will find the professional traders.
Not entirely convinced that hedge funds have a place in eve, with no security for the investor above "I promise I won't run off with your money or invest it in something I know will make a loss at a personal gain to myself", but surely a great potential for scamming. Good luck.
So...like real hedge funds? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17040
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Posted - 2014.03.09 17:28:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Market Discussion forum is where you will find the professional traders.
Not entirely convinced that hedge funds have a place in eve, with no security for the investor above "I promise I won't run off with your money or invest it in something I know will make a loss at a personal gain to myself", but surely a great potential for scamming. Good luck. So...like real hedge funds?
Eve is the envy of financial houses everywhere, they can only dream about the opportunities to relieve people of their cash that we have here.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
116
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Posted - 2014.03.09 17:53:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Market Discussion forum is where you will find the professional traders.
Not entirely convinced that hedge funds have a place in eve, with no security for the investor above "I promise I won't run off with your money or invest it in something I know will make a loss at a personal gain to myself", but surely a great potential for scamming. Good luck. So...like real hedge funds?
Real ones at least have the illusion of security and legitimacy, admittedly something with less clout since the financial collapse. We don't even have those tenuous illusions in eve, being a place with no real recrimination or accountability. I can't biomass myself in real life and transfer my ill-gotten assets to an alternate me in order to escape the consequence of my actions.
But yeah, I see your point and agree in a manner. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
194
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:23:00 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:You'll have more luck over in Market Discussions
You mean with the other scams?
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
787
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Eve is the envy of financial houses everywhere, they can only dream about the opportunities to relieve people of their cash that we have here.
I think you misunderstand a few things.
fractional reserve banking.
The "investment" industry
The pensions industry.
The mortgage industry.
People spend 20-30 years paying for a house on 2 incomes. A generation ago it was a lower pecentage of 1 income earners income now it is 2. Then their 2 children both get to do the same and never at any point doe the next generation get a free house. Just paying banks for the same properties over and over.
Same with the pensions industry. The financial guys rip off 1.5% of total every year and when you die take the rest of the pot.
How much of the year do people work before they finish paying pension /taxes / mortgage (or rent) /interest on the loans that corps have to add into their margins / advertising (that corps again add to the product cost).
Eve players are amateurs compared with the way people are fleeced in real life by the moneymen and this is just the 1st world. The developing world has it much much worse once the IMF/world bank sharks get their teeth in and woe betide you if you live near the source materials of smartphones/ tablets (looking at you Congo).
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
4169
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:50:00 -
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The EVE markets are more like the pinksheet market than anything else. Oh, you want to buy 1 trit for 6 million isk? Ok, sure, filled! Painting the tape is not only allowed here, it's practically encouraged! Sending a petition for a trade error? "Working as intended!"
You'll love it here.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17040
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:55:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Eve is the envy of financial houses everywhere, they can only dream about the opportunities to relieve people of their cash that we have here.
I think you misunderstand a few things. fractional reserve banking. The "investment" industry The pensions industry. The mortgage industry. People spend 20-30 years paying for a house on 2 incomes. A generation ago it was a lower pecentage of 1 income earners income now it is 2. Then their 2 children both get to do the same and never at any point doe the next generation get a free house. Just paying banks for the same properties over and over. Same with the pensions industry. The financial guys rip off 1.5% of total every year and when you die take the rest of the pot. How much of the year do people work before they finish paying pension /taxes / mortgage (or rent) /interest on the loans that corps have to add into their margins / advertising (that corps again add to the product cost). Eve players are amateurs compared with the way people are fleeced in real life by the moneymen and this is just the 1st world. The developing world has it much much worse once the IMF/world bank sharks get their teeth in and woe betide you if you live near the source materials of smartphones/ tablets (looking at you Congo).
That's the problem with sarcasm on these forums, there's no BBCODE for it.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Loki Ragnorok
Cadence Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:17:00 -
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If you're spending 30 years to pay for a house on two incomes then you've bought too much house. If you don't like paying interest, then don't get a loan. If you don't like paying pension dues then spend your own time planning for retirement. If you don't trust a hedge fund manager, then fire him. We live in the free world people and we have options. If you feel like a victim then you need to open your eyes. The majority of people in the world will never make or receive a phone call. There are real problems out there and they don't exist on a forum full of people who can pay a monthly fee to play a video game. Be an adult, make your decisions and learn from the results. We live in some of the wealthiest and most opportunity rich societies ever known to man (speaking to the euros and n americans). If your life isn't what you want it to be, look in the mirror and stop whining. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17046
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:37:00 -
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Loki Ragnorok wrote:If you're spending 30 years to pay for a house on two incomes then you've bought too much house. If you don't like paying interest, then don't get a loan. If you don't like paying pension dues then spend your own time planning for retirement. If you don't trust a hedge fund manager, then fire him. We live in the free world people and we have options. If you feel like a victim then you need to open your eyes. The majority of people in the world will never make or receive a phone call. There are real problems out there and they don't exist on a forum full of people who can pay a monthly fee to play a video game. Be an adult, make your decisions and learn from the results. We live in some of the wealthiest and most opportunity rich societies ever known to man (speaking to the euros and n americans). If your life isn't what you want it to be, look in the mirror and stop whining.
Post preserved for prosperity.
From your tone, and the fact that you claim to be a commodities trader I presume you have decent financial means and probably earn an above average amount. Most people don't live in that world, including those who live in Europe and the US, most of us are struggling to keep our heads above water while the so called regulated financial institutions have been busy snorting coke off the table and giving each other fat bonuses for losing so much money that Joe Average had to bail them out.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
146
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:40:00 -
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Hedge fund will collapse when main trader decides to keep all the isk for himself.
No enforcement mechanisms = 100% chance of investors losing their isk. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
4170
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:42:00 -
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Maybe 99%. When I start a hedge fund, you can rest assured I won't steal your isk.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Loki Ragnorok
Cadence Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:01:00 -
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I think the word you're looking for is 'posterity'. Carry on. I believe you were in the middle of blubbering about how hard your life is. |
Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society
Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:08:00 -
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Loki Ragnorok wrote:The majority of people in the world will never make or receive a phone call.
Google:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_world_population_has_never_made_a_phone_call
We are supposed to feel lucky we have phones now?
I'm sure it's all thanks to commodities brokers too. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17047
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:17:00 -
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Loki Ragnorok wrote:I think the word you're looking for is 'posterity'. Carry on. I believe you were in the middle of blubbering about how hard your life is.
You're right posterity is the correct word, my bad.
As for blubbering about how hard my life is? Nope. I was merely pointing out that many people can't afford to buy a house, and some are having to make the choice of heat or eat; in first world countries.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Loki Ragnorok
Cadence Technologies
1
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:25:00 -
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Look man, no need to beef. All the best. |
Your Dad Naked
State War Academy
Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:30:00 -
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Sounds like the next big scam. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
286
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:59:00 -
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Yeah, baby. The most geometrically expanded preverication, and telling people to shut up if they mention it.
Welcome to the sheared sheep colony.
I always trust people in the financial industry. Really.
No. The tar and feathers are for my therapist.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
408
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:29:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:[quote=Jonah Gravenstein]
People spend 20-30 years paying for a house on 2 incomes. A generation ago it was a lower pecentage of 1 income earners income now it is 2. Then their 2 children both get to do the same and never at any point doe the next generation get a free house. Just paying banks for the same properties over and over.
A generation ago property values were associated with that properties worth as an actual place of business or residence. Current real property values are instead associated with a properties potential value as a speculative investment for capital gain.
When you get a detachment of the value of an asset from it's real world value as a practical item (whether we are talking art work or real estate is beside the point) you are going to get scams, market manipulation and problems. |
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