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Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.03.11 01:39:00 -
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Kazumi Amaterasu wrote:CCPs own words: Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. Spin it how you like, but that's exactly what you're doing. CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help. There are in fact a lot of ways ganking miners can be profitable, it's not only because of the loot they may drop.
In fact the miners are an ideal target, as they are mindlessly grinding wealth they have no use for, because they are too busy mindlessly grinding even more ISK. In a way this is the true role of the miner, as the foundation of the PvP food chain.
This is normal EVE gameplay and has nothing to do with "griefing".
But back to the real topic, is ganking miners PvP?
I would clearly say yes, as it is an action taken against another player, but...
You see the problem with our bot-aspirant enemy is that they are often not at the keyboard, not actually playing the game. So the real discussion me thinks is, can we call someone who left the bridge of his ship while in space still a player? I think this question is essential when we try to establish if ganking is PvP or not. |
Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:10:00 -
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Matogg wrote:I've tried to explain this in my own "High-sec ganking" thread but due to a steady din of attempts to shout me down I will mention it here also .
The single thing BIG difference between ganking in hi-sec and anywhere else in all of EvE is the fact that gankers in throwaway ships like catalyst destroyers and T3 battlecruisers [ their known ships of choice ] outfitted with cheap T1 mods can move freely and with impunity through hi-sec space like wolves in sheep's clothing . Sneaking up on the unsuspecting simply because of the overwhelming amount of ships in high-sec systems . This gives them an unfair advantage over everybody but the most attentive and knowledgeable players in the game and sometimes even they get caught . It is unfair that a new player or even a veteran should have to incorporate any of their gametime fun to looking out for these underhanded tactics . One poster called it the "carebear" of PvP ...and he was absolutely right ! Gankers stop trying to candy coat it with lame claims that you're teaching new players how to play or that you're some kind of "saviors" of high-sec . You just like easy kills where you don't have to bring an expensive T2 ship like the other 3 types of EvE space .
My guess is you have never tried to actualy move around in highsec in a -10 char. Let's just say you have to know what you are doing, otherwise the faction police will kill your ship within seconds. It needs a lot of preparations and knowledge about the game mechanics in order to work.
If you would like to play eve in isolation without other players ruining your day I suggest you play on singularity if you don't care about the sandbox anyway. But you can't have it both ways and sell your stuff on a market that is driven by PvP including suicide ganking while opting out of it. EVE would simply not work that way. |
Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:18:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote: If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.
What makes you think this option does not already exist? There are miners or white knights who use Falcons and ECM Procurers to stop ganks. I guess CCP will have to install the ECM modules on the hull to satisfy the ISK blinded yield maximizing miner, like they did with the tank.
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote: I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount.
Imagine the mission runner tears.
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote: This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.
Even with long CONCORD response time and small damage I guess there will only be few players interested in this kind of activity. As another agent once said, there is only one thing more boring and less rewarding than mining in EVE, that's guarding a bunch of AFK miners. |
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:07:00 -
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Sarah xCalibre wrote:Couldnt help laugh about this, "It needs a lot of preparation and knowledge about game mechanics", if you think that you are clueless. Move alt, find a miner, jump into your small ganking destroyer, warp gate to gate, warp to your alt, target press F1, how is this a lot of preparation and knowledge of game mechanics? Cause really thats all it takes. Dont come here thinking you are some leet pvper cause you can gank a few miners cause its really really easy to do and anyone can do it. Since the ganking alt is usually -10 it is a bit more complicated to move around in highsec. You also completely forgot the scout and damage calculation parts. You also need to prepare the system to maximize the time you have.
Lets compare this to a typical nullsec 1337-PvP scenario:
- assign drones
- fap
Does not look very complicated to me. |
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:46:00 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Sarah xCalibre wrote:Move alt, find a miner, jump into your small ganking destroyer, warp gate to gate, warp to your alt, target press F1, how is this a lot of preparation and knowledge of game mechanics? There are also people who are unable to hammer a nail into a wall. I hope this answers your question. We should be glad hat these people found an activity that matches their abilities. I sense some bitterness in this post. I invite you to share your story with us or to contribute something non-toxic and constructive to this brilliant thread. |
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:50:00 -
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Xolve wrote: Nothing that happens in Highsec matters.
lolkillboardstats.
Highsec is the most populated area in the game. It's where the industry is. It's where the market is and trillions of ISK are moved around day after day. I am sure something happens in a place like this that matters.
Are you sure it does not matter who controls this place? Or do you think it can't be controlled and that capsuleers are only supposed to project power out there in nullsec where CCP created some game mechanic for it? Do you think the "endgame" is out there in some XYZ system and not in Jita because everyone tells you it has to be this way?
If you look at recent EVE trailers from CCP, they always have some kind of element about how the capsuleers influence in empire space is rising. So even CCP seams to acknowledge that we are taking over. I wait for the trailer where the CONCORD guy gets knocked down and James 315 takes over the mic. |
Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:42:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: you want real excitement, try joining your local boxing/UFC gym, and actually participating in the glories of true, personal, bloody combat. Until then, you are all mouth-breathing neckbeard posers. My kickboxing is legendary in reallife, how is yours? |
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:24:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:I read your blog, and the amount of cool aid drinking and stupidity threatened to kill me by laughter. From the amount of tears you shed in this and countless other threads one could think you try to kill us all by drowning.
Maybe you should just stop being so bad at the game or move on to something less difficult, CCP will probably not fix it for you. |
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:03:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote: Oh, yes pvp, because nothing says "coward" like a kill-list full of miner or civilian ships. PvP..... shooting at ships that can't shoot back.
It's true Eve is a unique game, if you fail at other pvp games you can come to Eve, train for a month and you can gank players that can't fight back.
On the contrary. Nothing shows more (e)honor than an attack on a ship that is guarded by an omniscient, invulnerable, 100% deathly police force which can't be evaded.
The word "coward" is reserved for the people who are too afraid to engage in a battle where they lose their ship with 100% certainty. |
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:35:00 -
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hello I am back and.. oh my.. looks like Kyperion got ganked on the forums |
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Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.03.18 17:31:00 -
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March rabbit wrote: Attacking untanked afk miners you have task: you need to apply X amount of damage before your ship is blown up by CONCORD. From this side you do pure PvE. You have no player interaction at all.
I don't see how this is Player versus Environment when clearly the removal of an illegal AFK bot-aspirant miner is an improvement of the environment. If anything, then we safe the environment. |
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