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Gudinna
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Posted - 2006.04.24 18:58:00 -
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Ok, im sure its been asked before, but I havent been able to find it on the forums. I realise that Tech 2 items are the true way with any sort of PvP cause a tech 1 equalent cant match, but my question is this.
Should I even consider PvP before i can fit T2 Weapons on my ships?
I understand the obvious. If i face an equal opponent and he has T2 and Not I, I am at a disadvantage, or that in the end, T2 will be a must.
But is it just a waste of money to fit my Frigs/Cruisers/BS's with T1 gear to fight?
me = n00b = need advice!
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 24/04/2006 19:03:14
Best way to 'learn' is to fight and die a lot.
So start with ships you can lose without hesitation.
edit: and yeah you can still pwn with t1. There are always ships worse then yours (unless you try to PVP in a pod) and always players worse then you.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:09:00 -
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Because T1 is cheap, its definitely not a waste.
Take advantage of the cheap named items around, and you can fit very good T1 setups.
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Gudinna
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:10:00 -
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thanks, much appreciated. I feel slightly less like a n00b now : ) Guess its time to throw myself in the path of some happy go lucky pirate so i get to realise how much I still have to learn.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:17:00 -
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get good with the assault rifle(Tech 1) and you will dominate when you can use the shotgun(Tech 2).
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wired2kill
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:25:00 -
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even tho you use tech1 equipment, knowing how to effectively fit out ur choosen ship for pvp is a must.
for example....please dont shield tank a Thorax... or mix weapon sizes.
the skills to increase your powergrid and cpu are always a good place to start b4 u even consider using tech2 gear. Weapon Upgrades, Advanced Weapon Upgradesm Electronic's etc are the first things you should b training up
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Enigmier
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:28:00 -
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most my ships are t1 and fitted with t1, apart from the odd bs i have,
t1 frigs and cruisers are a hoot
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:32:00 -
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even tho you use tech1 equipment, knowing how to effectively fit out ur choosen ship for pvp is a must.
Quoted for TRUTH. The modules don't make the pilot, it's the knowledge the pilot has and the ability to understand the modules being used. Quote:
for example....please dont shield tank a Thorax... or mix weapon sizes.
QFT again. My tech 1 punisher took out a t2 fitted omen.. that was shield tanking... and using heavy ion blasters...
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wired2kill
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Posted - 2006.04.24 20:13:00 -
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Malka Badi'a knows what shes talking about. ive found myself comparing my vexor setup with her's and i learned alot (or mayb it was someone in her corp).
a good idea would b to check out some of the video's that players make 2 try and see what kinda setup they r using. most players dont like showing there setups for good reason, but most r very helpful. or check out killboards, check out losses and see what fitted items were destroyed, you can often see some pretty good setups. Just cause the ship was blown up doesnt mean that its a crap setup, if u see 3+ people on the setup he probably just fell victim to a gank squad
and please..........for god sake....dont try and rush and get in2 a bigger pvp ship. (ur just wasting Isk)
i nearly had a 2 month old prophacy pilot in my vexor using 3xTech2 150's from 36km!!!
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.24 20:16:00 -
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i dont even want to know why someone would be using hybrids and shield tank on an Amarr ship
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Hydrian Alante
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Posted - 2006.04.24 20:18:00 -
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If you know what you are doing, have enough fitting expierience and some skillpoints, tech I Stuff is good for PvP too.
A Thorax teamed up with a Blackbird for example can be a very deadly and cheap Duo. (a duo of death har har)
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Arokan Manturi
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Posted - 2006.04.25 01:07:00 -
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Because i lost 3 battlecruisers and one dominix on the same day last week, i have begun to use a Tristan, with t1 stuff ONLY, NO named.
So farit has been awesome. YES ive lost a couple of em, but its not that hard on you wallet. So far i have taken down osprey, claw and caracal all by my self. I have also taken down 2 tempest, 1 apoc and some bc's with help from small gang. It is a very good tackler.
A month ago i also took down a manticore and merlin at the same time with my t1 vexor.
So YES, t1 ships can be awesome. You just have to pick your fights and have the right setup. And with t1 ships it doesnt cost as much to learn from "mistake"
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franny
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Posted - 2006.04.25 04:24:00 -
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way back when franny was a whopping 12 days old(ohh look at my crap cruiser)
I went ratting in old man star(i'm brave ain't I)
completely t1/named loot on my celestis
got engaged by a pirate(in a cruiser) in a belt, was scramed before I could warp off, I put him in hull before he put me in a pod.. not bad for a 12 day old, then had a nice little chat after(no flames, was fun)
wish I could remember who it was
did I have t2, no. did I win, no. did I give the guy a fight, yes.
hell look at the goons, a whole lot of people make fun of them for their 25797 man gang of T1 frigs, but they are effective(and cheap)
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.04.25 05:25:00 -
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A well fitted t1 ship can be just as deadly as a t2.. if a bit less durable.
I can kill kill BS spawns in a t1 fitted Incursus.
I'm confident enough to take on a HAC and battleships in my Vexor.. I would probably lose that one though 
T2 is not a must, by far. A t2 ship with t2 fittings might be 2x as good as a t1, but it also costs 20x or 30x as much... 
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.04.25 06:54:00 -
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T1 mods are good if your fighting strategy is to get a big gang going and gank everything much smaller than you. In that type of situation, t2 doesn't make much of a difference.
However, if your fighting strategy is about fighting solo or in a small gang, it's best to use t2 mods. That way you have good chance to compete against other solo and small gang fighters.
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.04.25 08:24:00 -
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Confidence and decisiveness will win you more battles then T2 items will. And T1 items are cheaper to lose while aquiring the two above personal skills
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Kalek Astroth
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Posted - 2006.04.25 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote:
even tho you use tech1 equipment, knowing how to effectively fit out ur choosen ship for pvp is a must.
Quoted for TRUTH. The modules don't make the pilot, it's the knowledge the pilot has and the ability to understand the modules being used. Quote:
for example....please dont shield tank a Thorax... or mix weapon sizes.
QFT again. My tech 1 punisher took out a t2 fitted omen.. that was shield tanking... and using heavy ion blasters...
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Phish1
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Posted - 2006.04.25 09:07:00 -
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ok, when i couldnt pay for a months sub to eve cos paypal wasnt working, i amde a 14 day alt.... i got in a slasher, fitted it with ****tly t1 gear and civilian module,s iwent out to a 0.3 and completely owned some rats there... didnt go into armour, i was using a civialn sheild booster.
a char a few days old with civilian and t1 gear killed thos,e the big thing is tho, i KNEW HOW TO FLY IT!
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.25 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kalek Astroth
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zwerg
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:05:00 -
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tech 1 ships = much more fun, less isk losses, trying out ships*.
*what do i mean with that?!
well i started to pvp with a rupture, i fitted the cheapest named stuff and it was 10mil worth or 11 or whatever it was cheap!!!
not to ''trying out ships'', i just shot at everyting what moved and got a nice thorax kill, and a ferox kill with it, that's what i call trying out ships, just try out everything with them, if you get Pwned, just buy the same ship with new fitting ideas. I mean, with a vaga you have to choose your targets wisely like with the cerberus or deimos, so try out the tech 1 ships if you dont wanna loose 200mil ships + fittings!!!
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Jacinto Naysmith
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:13:00 -
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Tech 1 items are perfectly viable for PVP. In EVE, you cannot overcome poor ship setups, strategy and planing by just throwing money at it. With the exception of tech 2 guns loaded with tech 2 ammo, the tech 2 benefit over tech I is usually only 5-20%.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:20:00 -
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t1 stuff can be very effective in pvp. weirda almost exclusively fly t1 cruisers (when flying cruisers), though t1 friggies are very effective as well.
stabber - great anti-af/anti-inty platform
arbitrator - great anti frig (they usually run) and anti-t1 cruiser platform
belicose have some trick up her sleeve
omen surprisingly viable
caracal can be made to be feared...
list goes on...
punisher, rifter, kestrel... all very cheap and can (with honed tactic) be used to take on ships of their size and larger as well.
as mentioned - they great learning platform, as they are a bit less forgiving then their t2 counterpart, but if you get caught in a bad situation, you gonna die anyways... you might as well figure out what you did wrong without great financial loss.
in 0.0 weirda been seeing tons of t1 cruisers (often t2 fitted  ) and lots of t1 friggies used for bait, but often doing very good job (punisher) holding target down till cavalry arrive. weirda hate this tactic (usually on receiving end) - but have to admit that it is very valid and effective!
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.25 13:18:00 -
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The bloody annoying thing about people flying t1 cruisers is you can take 4 of 5 of them out in a nice t2ed up bs, then die, and realise that they have lost no money and you have lost 50-100 mil.
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commander tycho
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Posted - 2006.04.25 20:54:00 -
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I used to fly tech II setups all of the time but then i realised it is much more beneficial to use tech I in pvp in my opinion.
As others have stated, if you fly tech I setups you arent losing very much money if you lose it, for example If you get in a tech I frig gang and go kill a HAC, the HAC pilot would have to kill 1000 frigs to make up the price of his ship (roughly)
So although the enemy may be getting a lot more kills with a tech II ship and setup, all you need is a small number of kills on them and you have done more damage to their wallets.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.25 21:01:00 -
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id agree that while i havent done pvp yet when i do ill get my feet wet in a kestrel or Caracal with full tech 1 non named fittings. wont be the highest perfomance ship but if i loose atleast the insurance will cover the loss and the modules wont be in the millions.
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