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sprototles Ganzo Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn 2	Posted - 2014.03.12 07:49:00 - [1] - Quote So we have 4 attack BC 2 hybrid : talos and naga 1 projectile: tornado 1 laser: oracle Well, where is missile attack BC ? My bonuses: 5% reduction torpedo and cruisers explosion radius 5% increase torpedo and cruisers explosion velocity p.s. Drone attack BC would be impressive too Comment and comment again My ideas...pls chceck them :) Battleship Yamato - http://bit.ly/1e3fPJY Nice Missiles - http://bit.ly/1f8j8Wb OVERHEAT Drones - http://bit.ly/1bh8MT8
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3052	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:10:00 - [2] - Quote Ask CCP Rise where the RHML-baesd battlecruiser is... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 270	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:50:00 - [3] - Quote Naga was originally designed as a Torpedo Boat and no one liked it. That's probably why there is no launcher ABC and considering the hatelove for the RLML/RHML and general dislike towards missiles for many reasons, I doubt that this changed in the meantime.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3052	Posted - 2014.03.12 09:57:00 - [4] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Naga was originally designed as a Torpedo Boat and no one liked it. That's probably why there is no launcher ABC and considering the hatelove for the RLML/RHML and general dislike towards missiles for many reasons, I doubt that this changed in the meantime. They could easily change it to cruise missiles now. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2569	Posted - 2014.03.12 10:56:00 - [5] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Naga was originally designed as a Torpedo Boat and no one liked it. That's probably why there is no launcher ABC and considering the hatelove for the RLML/RHML and general dislike towards missiles for many reasons, I doubt that this changed in the meantime. They could easily change it to cruise missiles now. Or, they could leave it as a ship people actually use.
Jureth22 Perkone Caldari State 164	Posted - 2014.03.12 11:43:00 - [6] - Quote pirate attack bc`s.they could fill in this lost role
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Cirrius Technologies O X I D E 122	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:10:00 - [7] - Quote Well see... something like that would require CCP to give more than 0 fucks about the state of missiles. That's asking too much, so sit back and be happy with a meh Drake, or a slower than **** rolling up hill Raven while you train a more useful weapon.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1222	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:16:00 - [8] - Quote it would probably become the most under used ABC in the game... EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Cirrius Technologies O X I D E 123	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:58:00 - [9] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: it would probably become the most under used ABC in the game... Only because no one at CCP has the testicular fortitude to give missiles some of the love that they oh-so-dearly need. But that's just my opinion as a missile pilot and forum browser.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1222	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:11:00 - [10] - Quote yeah thats it... EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"

Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3147	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:37:00 - [11] - Quote Does anyone actually use the Naga? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Cirrius Technologies O X I D E 123	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Does anyone actually use the Naga? From my experience in Incursions, it's a somewhat acceptable starter ship for unfortunate Caldari pilots who don't have a Vindi yet.
Claud Tiberius Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:08:00 - [13] - Quote sprototles Ganzo wrote: So we have 4 attack BC 2 hybrid : talos and naga 1 projectile: tornado 1 laser: oracle Well, where is missile attack BC ? My bonuses: 5% reduction torpedo and cruisers explosion radius 5% increase torpedo and cruisers explosion velocity p.s. Drone attack BC would be impressive too Comment and comment again I think its because missiles are a different kind of animal all together. For example, all the bombers use missiles (torpedoes/cruise missiles) and have no turrets.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Cirrius Technologies O X I D E 123	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:37:00 - [14] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: sprototles Ganzo wrote: So we have 4 attack BC 2 hybrid : talos and naga 1 projectile: tornado 1 laser: oracle Well, where is missile attack BC ? My bonuses: 5% reduction torpedo and cruisers explosion radius 5% increase torpedo and cruisers explosion velocity p.s. Drone attack BC would be impressive too Comment and comment again I think its because missiles are a different kind of animal all together. For example, all the bombers use missiles (torpedoes/cruise missiles) and have no turrets. I don't think that is a fair comparison at all, but assuming it were I would even back an arty based SB. Take a SB, let it fit 1200s or 1400s, give it a tracking bonus instead of a missile bonus, and let it roll. Torp SBs decloak and roll missiles up your ass and an arty SB decloaks and shoots Quake right in your face. I would happily trade that for a good Tier 3 missile BC. At least then I would be able to use a decent missile (cruise) in some C4 sites without crashing a hole with a Raven.
Arthur Aihaken Arsenite 3147	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: For example, all the bombers use missiles (torpedoes/cruise missiles) and have no turrets. I want your bomber. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1224	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:47:00 - [16] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Does anyone actually use the Naga? are u for real? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5048	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:56:00 - [17] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Does anyone actually use the Naga? I use a Naga. It's quite effective when used as a very long range support sniper for small gangs. And it also works quite well as a medium range gank ship in low-sec (Neutron Blasters and Null ammo ftw!). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 82	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:02:00 - [18] - Quote Maybe a new type of Missile Boat that would only be able to deploy Missile Attack Drones. Something different and interesting to fit up and then use.
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 271	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:09:00 - [19] - Quote Problem with this concept is torp speed vs target speed. Turrets put damage on instantly. ABC's live by kiting. Torps take forever to go anywhere, and would be completely ineffective. Naga is actually fairly good as it is. IIRC needs a bit more PG, but certainly not torps. The Law is a point of View
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Cirrius Technologies O X I D E 123	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:23:00 - [20] - Quote Kenrailae wrote: Problem with this concept is torp speed vs target speed. Turrets put damage on instantly. ABC's live by kiting. Torps take forever to go anywhere, and would be completely ineffective. Naga is actually fairly good as it is. IIRC needs a bit more PG, but certainly not torps. That seems like more of an ammunition problem than a hull problem to me, and part of a list of small problems that add up to missiles being unacceptably neglected. Besides, a missile Naga should be able to fit both cruise and torp launchers unless turrets are going to have monopoly on short and long range Tier 3s.

Catherine Laartii Knights of Xibalba 116	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:30:00 - [21] - Quote Naga would be beautiful if they tweaked it to allow 8 missile slots, and didn't change the bonuses excepting usage of large missiles for the OPTION of fitting them. Cruise launchers with THAT level of mobility, even without bonuses, would be positively wonderful in a wide variety of situations.
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 271	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:05:00 - [22] - Quote scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote: That seems like more of an ammunition problem than a hull problem to me, and part of a list of small problems that add up to missiles being unacceptably neglected. Besides, a missile Naga should be able to fit both cruise and torp launchers unless turrets are going to have monopoly on short and long range Tier 3s. Don't think anyone is saying Missiles don't need some re-working :) The Law is a point of View
Jack C Hughes Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.03.28 09:11:00 - [23] - Quote it is not that hard to understand why naga was turned into a railgun ship. Battleship class Missle + 8 luncher slots + damage bonus means too much damage(10 effective lunchers). Even the Golem hasonly 8 effective lunchers, and that is probably the highest damage a missle ship could have. 25% more than that? it will be over powered. you might say well okay lets give it 6 lunchers/ range + explosion speed bonus. Those doesn't work. 6 lunchers either means utility highes, or more mid/low. range +explosion bonus means similar damage compaired to other ABCs, but better damage projection. you can see it is easier to keep missles out of ABC than try to find strange solutions for the problem.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 396	Posted - 2014.03.28 09:34:00 - [24] - Quote WTB Caldari Navy Naga that looks like this: 5% reduction in Cruise and Torpedo explosion radius per level 10% bounus to Heavy, Cruise and Torpedo missile velocity per level Special bonus Fitting reduction bonus to RHML, CML and Torpedo launchers. 25% reduction in loading time of RHML, CML and Torpedo launchers (8.75 sec reduction for RHML and 2.5 seconds other launchers) Slot layout: 8H 6M 4L 30% buff to HP (standard Navy buff) Slight mobility buff (standard navy buff) etc etc. Would love to fly this!!
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 271	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:31:00 - [25] - Quote Spugg Galdon wrote: 25% reduction in loading time of RHML, CML and Torpedo launchers (8.75 sec reduction for RHML and 2.5 seconds other launchers) So I'm admittedly curious as to why this bit is necessary? Missiles are designed to have longer reload times, like lazors insta reload/swap. It's a choice when using the weapons system/ship. The Law is a point of View
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 1148	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:14:00 - [26] - Quote The original missile Naga was binned because it was terrible beyond belief. With torps, it could not survive an encounter with anything it could effectively apply damage to; with cruise, it was simply bad because cruise was so bad. Today, the torp Naga problem remains - normal non-bomber torps are a heavy brawler weapon, to be used at close range against large targets, and an ABC by definition doesn't want to go brawling. Cruise is usable now (it only took a ~30% damage increase!) so a cruise ABC would be viable. But it's absurd to introduce it at the cost of the popular rail Naga, which is generally the highest-damage and best-tracking ABC in a vague 70-130 km window, depending on fit ofc.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 397	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:06:00 - [27] - Quote Kenrailae wrote: Spugg Galdon wrote: 25% reduction in loading time of RHML, CML and Torpedo launchers (8.75 sec reduction for RHML and 2.5 seconds other launchers) So I'm admittedly curious as to why this bit is necessary? Missiles are designed to have longer reload times, like lazors insta reload/swap. It's a choice when using the weapons system/ship. It is mainly to improve the sustained dps of RHML by reducing reload times to 26 seconds. It is probably an unnecessary bonus but I thought I would throw it in as an extra. Still, a CML or RHML Navy Issue Naga would be superb. Essentially a highly mobile Navy Raven with small tank and no MJD
Sato Page BLOORDOGY 9	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:07:00 - [28] - Quote So it's the mini phoenix. lol no. -1
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 271	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:33:00 - [29] - Quote Points for trying I guess.... As much as I'd like to see a ship just vomit missiles EVERYWHERE.... reload reduction isn't really balance-able, don't think. The Rail naga isn't a bad platform though. The Law is a point of View
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 304	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:22:00 - [30] - Quote Some Destroyer or Battlecruiser Series exclusiv for Missile based weapon System would be cool, just like the twisted Brother of Stealth Bomber or Attack BCs! They could be based on Rapid Light and Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher with Bonus for Ammunition Capacity and missiles velocity.



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