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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:40:00 -
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I am tired of all the whinings going lately. The simplest and fairest solution is to add HACs and HAC 1 run bpcs to the LP pool. Cov Ops, interceptors and AF's are already in the pool, add the damn HACs too. If you don't want to pay the market price, fine, go grind yourself a HAC.
120,000 LP for 1 run bpc 150,000 LP + materials for HAC 200,000 LP for HAC _______________________________________________
Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:42:00 -
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How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:45:00 -
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Yes make it so the guy with the highest charisma gets all the prints by doing a little grinding.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Levon Bedros
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
yeah and add everything on market at 1 isk. Envy is a sin btw.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Levon Bedros
Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
yeah and add everything on market at 1 isk. Envy is a sin btw.
Has nothing to do with envy, has a lot to do with a broken game mechanic... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
Agreed.
And this is from someone who's gained a lot from that lottery. At the end of the day it is probably the most rediculous way of handing out BPO's possible. These things need to be handed out to people who have directly been working for them, no other way... --------
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Yes make it so the guy with the highest charisma gets all the prints
I like that bit
/waves his 27 charisma
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:47:00 -
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Agree with the op.
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Cotton Tail
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Levon Bedros
yeah and add everything on market at 1 isk. Envy is a sin btw.
So is greed.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:49:00 -
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:49:00 -
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As they appear to hand out more of the new BPOs via the lottery than of the old ones I smell another round of old prints coming up at some point.
Now recruiting!
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:50:00 -
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can't wait for reverse engineering.. then this whole issue will be moot..
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:50:00 -
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omg its khatred *flameflameflame*
sounds OK - i always wondered why they weren't there before. won't solve the issue though...
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Fortior
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
I think there's a reason why they went with a lottery system to begin with... It's just not the best system. Everybody loves a constructive whiner, jump on the bandwagon you too
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Karunel
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:51:00 -
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Agreed, but less LP's for bpcs tbh.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Khatred on 25/04/2006 16:54:20 I'd agree about the lottery BUT there is a small problem. I can bet you my entire hac production for 1 month that more than 50% of the HAC producers are NOT the lottery winners. Can anybody from CCP help me prove that?
EDIT: And really now, what's with all this lottery whining? If you use ONE character to mine all the minerals for a Battleship or if you'd use ONE character to agent grind for a HAC it's about the same freacking thing. Do you like whining for the sake of whining? _______________________________________________
Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs |
The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:53:00 -
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My personal view:
T2 Needs to be expensive. As expensive as now, possibly higher in some places. T2 Needs to be restrictive. Through the price, and availability, it needs to be hard to get hold of and require effort to get. T2 Must NOT hand out multi-billion ISK blueprints that make billions upon billions of ISK a month to people that have not done enough to justify their ownership of them. Luck should NOT be a factor. T2 Must be harder to produce. I'm talking require a level of interaction during the production of it - unexpected problems popping up during production, not just get the materials and press a few buttons every few days. T2 Must NOT be as profitable as it is now in the cases of, for instance, HAC's, Cap 2's, and yes, to prove my lack of bias on this - BCS2's. And many more that I won't bother listing. --------
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury can't wait for reverse engineering.. then this whole issue will be moot..
Do you really think this will be a once in a lifetime press a button solution to every problem? If it was then they'd do away with all the isksinks that is BPOs. Why not just re-instate the unlimited BPC?
Remind me about The Maze.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
I think there's a reason why they went with a lottery system to begin with... It's just not the best system. Everybody loves a constructive whiner, jump on the bandwagon you too
Yes, laziness is why we have the lottery system...
Because they promised reverse engineering from the get go, and failed to bring it to fruition by the time T2 was to be implemented.
Then when it came time to release T2 ships & mods to re-kindle the fire in EVE to sell more subs, they had to come up with a place holder system.
Hence the BULL**** R&D Lottery system... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Na Jenton
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Bhaal How about they just get rid of the bull**** lottery system?
That's where I would start...
I think there's a reason why they went with a lottery system to begin with... It's just not the best system. Everybody loves a constructive whiner, jump on the bandwagon you too
Yes, laziness is why we have the lottery system...
Because they promised reverse engineering from the get go, and failed to bring it to fruition by the time T2 was to be implemented.
Then when it came time to release T2 ships & mods to re-kindle the fire in EVE to sell more subs, they had to come up with a place holder system.
Hence the BULL**** R&D Lottery system...
what is reverse engineering going to be btw? you have a ship, stick it in a slot, and get BPCs over time? cuse that would be rather... bad for T2...
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cotton Tail
Originally by: Levon Bedros
yeah and add everything on market at 1 isk. Envy is a sin btw.
So is greed.
So is lust. How does that make any sense by the way? We'd die out. __________________________________________________
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Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:03:00 -
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Imo the problem isnt the HAC prices, but the availability of isk. If people dont mind paying 1000% above build price then they obviously have to much isk in the first place.
We need more isk sinks realy.
Nice proposal btw Khatred. Has my support.
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:05:00 -
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I agree W/ the HAC man.
T2 stuff, espically ships arn't supposed to be in high supply. What would happen if everyone was running around in a HAC? Then they wouldn't be as good as they are! I haven't gone w/o seeing at least one on the market, so I know that the supply > than the demand, so Comeon!
I have to admit that Releasing BPCs (1 run) on the lottery system. That would be cool. But I wonder how many would gripe because the BPCs require a lot of materials to make, Plus it takes an already built ship (I think, the HAC man can awnser that one if I'm wrong)
If they go on the lottery great, If not Fine, I plan to buy one from Kahtred sooner or later, Just need to get the skills and money saved and trained.
Baron Jobie Von Thickburger Future Customer of Khatred
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:13:00 -
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Not sure if Khatred's suggestion about the BPCs would work tbh.
Simply because HACs take quite a bit of skilltraining to produce, and given the general 'want it now i am far to lazy to wait and can't be arsed' attitude of many players they would just get sold on escrow for daft prices.
People are not going to train up all the skills to build a HAC simply so they can build a couple. The time investment alone means that it is only viable to do this for a BPO, or maybe a 10 run copy or something.
However, giving the built ship out would solve the problem a bit. You would, however have to change agents and do missions for a race you can actually fly or want to fly though. In effect this would create a mini version of the faction ship market, people trading them for isk so they can buy a race they fly etc.
It would also increase the concentrations of agent runners in key systems. Better perhaps if HACs were given out by pirate factions (- more incentive to lay claim to 0.0 space)or the Ammatar / Khanid ones that nobody bothers with (to distribute demand).
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Distrans
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Distrans on 25/04/2006 17:20:31
Originally by: Khatred 120,000 LP for 1 run bpc 150,000 LP + materials for HAC 200,000 LP for HAC
Lol. Are You a mission runner?
Good 120k LP offer= 8 basic implants= 240M ISK. Bit steep even for a Cerb minus material. Also takes quite some time to get that Lps together.
Maybe make the offer-"shop" act to demand would solve this? Offer taken - LP-value rises, offer declined - LP-value decreases globally.
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PhamNuwen
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred I am tired of all the whinings going lately. The simplest and fairest solution is to add HACs and HAC 1 run bpcs to the LP pool. Cov Ops, interceptors and AF's are already in the pool, add the damn HACs too. If you don't want to pay the market price, fine, go grind yourself a HAC.
120,000 LP for 1 run bpc 150,000 LP + materials for HAC 200,000 LP for HAC
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:22:00 -
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That's alot of LP for a hac.
50k should be the max. 120k lp's is HIGHLY disproportional to the cost of a HAC. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Distrans
Originally by: Khatred 120,000 LP for 1 run bpc 150,000 LP + materials for HAC 200,000 LP for HAC
Lol. Are You a mission runner?
Good 120k LP offer= 8 basic implants= 240M ISK. Bit steep even for a Cerb minus material. Also takes quite some time to get that Lps together.
Maybe make the offer-"shop" act to demand would solve this? Offer taken - LP-value rises, offer declined - LP-value raises globally.
Yeah, actualy I run missions quite often . HACs MUST be somewhat rare. I am not talking navy raven rare but not tier 2 battleship available. It can be 50k lp, but what is 50k lp? 4 lvl 4 kill missions in 0.1? 8 hours of playing? Too easy. The main idea is not to make them cheap BUT to have an alternative. That's the biggest issues I see with HACs. If you want a certain ship, you depend on of the (at most) 20 bpo owners. That "link" must be broken. People should have options. _______________________________________________
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Callan Skiderlar
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:31:00 -
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The problem is not the lottery system. The lottery system has a purpose and works well for almost every other T2 print except HACs.
Khatred's solution is ideal for allowing CCP to tweak HAC supply a little bit to match demand, which is completely irrational right now and maybe forever. If Cerbs for example become the flavor of the month, CCP can float some multi-run prints into the lottery system or mission system, which people can claim or not claim with their RPs or LPs. That will help alleviate the short-term price spike without creating a glut.
The lottery system has always been a way for people without a lot of in-game time to establish an income stream. For this purpose, it is a novel game addition and very valuable. The perceived HAC problem (and I emphasize "perceived") is a simple case of supply and demand. The means for distributing BPCs and BPOs through agents, research or otherwise, can easily solve the problem by seeding some BPC runs in either channel.
Sure, it's market manipulation, which CCP deplores, but at this point the issue has become such an insanely overwrought point of focus that I think everyone could look the other way a little bit and provide some relief here. ---
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 25/04/2006 17:38:26
Originally by: Callan Skiderlar The problem is not the lottery system. The lottery system has a purpose and works well for almost every other T2 print except HACs.
Khatred's solution is ideal for allowing CCP to tweak HAC supply a little bit to match demand, which is completely irrational right now and maybe forever. If Cerbs for example become the flavor of the month, CCP can float some multi-run prints into the lottery system or mission system, which people can claim or not claim with their RPs or LPs. That will help alleviate the short-term price spike without creating a glut.
The lottery system has always been a way for people without a lot of in-game time to establish an income stream. For this purpose, it is a novel game addition and very valuable. The perceived HAC problem (and I emphasize "perceived") is a simple case of supply and demand. The means for distributing BPCs and BPOs through agents, research or otherwise, can easily solve the problem by seeding some BPC runs in either channel.
Sure, it's market manipulation, which CCP deplores, but at this point the issue has become such an insanely overwrought point of focus that I think everyone could look the other way a little bit and provide some relief here.
The lottery system is not fine, we don't need tweaks to a ****** up system, we need a new system...
Risk vs Reward, or Effort vs Reward.
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