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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:07:00 -
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Are any around yet, and are the Tier 3 BS pics offical?
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:49:00 -
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Not that i know of and no they haven't been officially set as the final images.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:50:00 -
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Still concepts, tbh they look too much like capital ships and not enough like BSes.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:51:00 -
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in naval terms a Battleship is a capitol ship. 
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:52:00 -
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If CCP wanted to be accurate, yes. But they don't, so no.
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari If CCP wanted to be accurate, yes. But they don't, so no.
If CCP wanted to be accurate about what? Some sea/gravity locked navy's terminalogy long time ago and very far away (in EVE terms)?
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Eximius Josari If CCP wanted to be accurate, yes. But they don't, so no.
If CCP wanted to be accurate about what? Some sea/gravity locked navy's terminalogy long time ago and very far away (in EVE terms)?
Has nothing to do with the medium the ships use, its their role/size/value in the fleet.
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari Has nothing to do with the medium the ships use, its their role/size/value in the fleet.
So how does not calling a BS a capital ship change it's role?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Eximius Josari Has nothing to do with the medium the ships use, its their role/size/value in the fleet.
So how does not calling a BS a capital ship change it's role?
If we're going by naval tradition, ships break down more like this: Eve - "Real life" Carrier - Carrier Dreadnaught - Battlehip Battleship - battlecruiser Battlecruiser - heavy cruiser Cruiser - Frigate Destroyer - Destroyer Escort Frigate - Torpedo Boat
Or something like that. Names don't matter that much so long as you're consistant in your universe. In Freespace cruisers were the smallest ships, frigates very large and corvettes kickass beam wielding thingies. The easiest way around this it to invent your own class names alla Battlestar Galactica. You can't complain about the term Battlestar because they invented it! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |

Razin
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu If we're going by naval tradition, ...
The "naval tradition" that you speak of existed several thousand years ago in EVE universe. Time enough for the terminology to evolve.
What is a "capital" ship's role in RL anyway?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu If we're going by naval tradition, ships break down more like this: Eve - "Real life" Carrier - Carrier Dreadnaught - Battleship Battleship - battlecruiser/AEGIS cruiser (depends on the timeframe, WWII vs now) Battlecruiser - Light cruiser Cruiser - Guided Missile Destroyer Destroyer - Frigate Frigate - Torpedo Boat
Or something like that.
Something like this? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:28:00 -
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Generally termonologies usually went with how many guns a ship had (traditionally) which basically dictated how large a ships crew was(you needed like 6 a gun or so).
The term capitol ship usually means a very large crew.
Cruiser is a moderatly large crew.
Frigates were small crews.
In eve i am not sure i would call a battleship a capitol ship, basically because dreads/carrier/etc dwarf them so much. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:31:00 -
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capitol ships also serve as the core of a battlegroup, in the US Navy this means the Supercarrier is a capitol. it serves as command and control for its aircraft as well as its battlegroup.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:32:00 -
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I for one refer to the BS/Capital core fleet as the "line of battle".
Of course, BS - historically - should be BB. But arguing established terms like that is rather pointless and not very important.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:14:00 -
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/me still remembers the "BS/BB" wars, where the "BB" side lost 
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel /me still remembers the "BS/BB" wars, where the "BB" side lost 
If it makes you feel better alot of this post is BS 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel /me still remembers the "BS/BB" wars, where the "BB" side lost 
Good?
I get a giggle out of hearing about blobs of BS.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell I for one refer to the BS/Capital core fleet as the "line of battle".
Of course, BS - historically - should be BB. But arguing established terms like that is rather pointless and not very important.
Why should it be BB? The BlackBird is not a BattleShip...
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Talori'i
Originally by: Maya Rkell I for one refer to the BS/Capital core fleet as the "line of battle".
Of course, BS - historically - should be BB. But arguing established terms like that is rather pointless and not very important.
Why should it be BB? The BlackBird is not a BattleShip...
In real life all ship types have abbreviations and battleships are known as BB's.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 28/04/2006 01:50:46
Originally by: Talori'i Why should it be BB? The BlackBird is not a BattleShip...
This site explains it decently enough.
More important than the real life abreviations, most other scifi games/novels/etc. either stick to the "classical" abreviations or come up with something else to reduce confusion. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |

Kashre
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Posted - 2006.04.30 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel /me still remembers the "BS/BB" wars, where the "BB" side lost 
Man my inner groggnard is still offended by that. For months, I refused to call them BS always typing out the whole word "battleship" since no one would get it if I said BB. But the need to type fast in gang finally forced me to go over to the dark side :(
BTW, according to the american heritage dictionary a capital ship is :
Quote: A warship of the largest class, such as a battleship or an aircraft carrier.
So technically at one point, cruisers were capital ships, then battleships were capital ships, and now... uh... capital ships are capital ships :P +++
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kashre So technically at one point, cruisers were capital ships, then battleships were capital ships, and now... uh... capital ships are capital ships :P
Well if you really want to be technical about it with that definition, then motherships are capital ships, not carriers and dreadnaughts, and when titans come out, they will be the only capital ships. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.04.30 23:28:00 -
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There is one...
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Skian Mhor
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Posted - 2006.05.01 02:40:00 -
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on the subject of ship classification, the one that I've noticed is'nt in eve's terminology is a Corvette. (not the car, you americans :P )
gap among all the ships, methinks?
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.01 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Skian Mhor on the subject of ship classification, the one that I've noticed is'nt in eve's terminology is a Corvette. (not the car, you americans :P )
gap among all the ships, methinks?
Wow, I am American and knew what you meant!! I must be a frikkin genius huh??
Funny though, the OP asked about BC, not BS. One person got it though.. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.05.01 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Skian Mhor on the subject of ship classification, the one that I've noticed is'nt in eve's terminology is a Corvette. (not the car, you americans :P )
gap among all the ships, methinks?
Aren't corvettes even smaller than frigates?
Fighters? ________________ ~Phelan Lore
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Dnol Arendale
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Posted - 2006.05.01 03:21:00 -
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I think Corvettes are bigger than frigates actually. All I remember is Canada built 8 of them at some point during WWII, and they made a big difference in the convoys :p
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.05.01 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 01/05/2006 03:27:16
Originally by: Phelan Lore Fighters?
But... but... fighter's are planes, not boats! 
Seriously though, this entire discussion is ridiculous. Eve is set tens of thousands of years in the future, it would be less sensible to argue that terminology would not change in that timeframe than to say that it would. I mean, sheesh, ancient egypt was only a few thousand years ago and how many of the same terms do we use in the exact same way in our military today? ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum... |

Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.05.01 03:38:00 -
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Frigates were bigger than Corvettes back in sailing ship days.
Capital Ships are simply the biggest/baddest ships in the fleet, so the BSes of EVE would not qualify it seems.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Skian Mhor on the subject of ship classification, the one that I've noticed is'nt in eve's terminology is a Corvette. (not the car, you americans :P )
gap among all the ships, methinks?
Tose are basicly destroyers, or would be if they were in EVE.
Or maybe they'd be the T2 indies, since they're blockade runners (atleast in Star Wars they are ).
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
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