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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:16:00 -
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Ok, i tried earlier and many tried befoe me. I even got a nice answer from Kieron, but still nothing substanstiel. So i wanted to start a list (like the maybe the 100Šth list of that kind) but you newer know, this might be the one. So no balancing issues or "i want more cap for my ship" only code flaws or release of skills which should be there . Ill start it off
Force recon (cloack and cynos field problem)
Advanced drone interfacing
I hope you dont have much more, but i will update
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:19:00 -
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What the hell are you talking about?
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:20:00 -
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their is a list like this in features and ideas dissusions, called "top ten". Basically what you want. And Kieron did give nice answers tbh. So go there and make your "top ten"!!!
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Rattman
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:21:00 -
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My pet hate is that "trashing items" from the asset list still doesn't work. Hasn't worked since the game got released
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:21:00 -
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1M for the OP's corpse and FRAP it please. 
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:27:00 -
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To Sir yuri
Im all aware of the thrads your are refering to. What they all say say is "will be fixed soon", " it is not so easy" and so on. But nothing happens, its not even on the official known issues list, that is one of the things that anoys me the most. The customers can crite all they want, and if lucky they get a dev responce, but still nothing happens??????. I really dont want to write that i respect all the ccp does, but i feel a have to about now
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rattman
My pet hate is that "trashing items" from the asset list still doesn't work. Hasn't worked since the game got released
It does atm (for me anyway). It's also been broken and fixed multiple times since release, but hey.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Roue
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rattman
My pet hate is that "trashing items" from the asset list still doesn't work. Hasn't worked since the game got released
it works.. just refreshes like a bastard
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Auraurious
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rattman
My pet hate is that "trashing items" from the asset list still doesn't work. Hasn't worked since the game got released
Actually I think it does. If you look closely at the asset menu you will notice a nice little reminder that says "Updates to global assets reports are delayed 5 minutes."
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: King Leia
To Sir yuri
Im all aware of the thrads your are refering to. What they all say say is "will be fixed soon", " it is not so easy" and so on. But nothing happens, its not even on the official known issues list, that is one of the things that anoys me the most. The customers can crite all they want, and if lucky they get a dev responce, but still nothing happens??????. I really dont want to write that i respect all the ccp does, but i feel a have to about now
if you feel needed, complain. Try one thread, even bump it if needed, but dont spam. And try to use existing threads if you find em, and so on. Send e-mails, report, make your "top ten". Hmm have patience for E3/Kali/Chinese Release...
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Ediz Daxx
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:45:00 -
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My frig cant kill a carrier solo, file that under bug please.
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:45:00 -
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ok. seems my topic and discussion has become completely hijacked. At least i tried tp bring some focous to obvious problems. Hadn't anticipated that i would get the focus of CCP (i actually got Kieron's) but I hadnt expexted that the community would hijack the chanel, that is just counter productive. Thanks to you all. (And the only real thans goes to Kieron and a few others for at least listening)
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:48:00 -
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Oh yah
And to the unoffial forum moderator sir whateher. Getting a point through in the forums you mention is even more doomed than here
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Matthew
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: King Leia
To Sir yuri
Im all aware of the thrads your are refering to. What they all say say is "will be fixed soon", " it is not so easy" and so on. But nothing happens, its not even on the official known issues list, that is one of the things that anoys me the most. The customers can crite all they want, and if lucky they get a dev responce, but still nothing happens??????. I really dont want to write that i respect all the ccp does, but i feel a have to about now
You do realise that complaing about something doesn't make the solution magically appear out of thin air, right? If they've said "they're working on it", what more is there to say until they find a fix? Personally, I much prefer them focusing on getting the job done, rather than spending hours writing "still working on it" responses.
And yes, probably nothing will happen for a while. Because even if they find the fix, most problems need a patch putting out to apply that fix. Deploying a patch is not a trivial exersise, and simply isn't practicle to put one out for every single issue as and when it's fixed. And of course, it also doesn't help when you don't have a test server to test it on - and you really don't want them putting a patch onto TQ which hasn't been through the test server first. However annoying the bug it fixes might be, I guarantee that the unseen bug that gets through because of that would be 100 times as annoying.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: King Leia
Oh yah
And to the unoffial forum moderator sir whateher. Getting a point through in the forums you mention is even more doomed than here
start by changing name on your thread to something else but "ccp only in it for the money".
I agree with you im not beeing an ass, sorry if you think I am. And I dont try to moderate I try to help you. By spamming, making many threads naming them like you do and ranting you screw it over for yourself. Im just a player posting and I dont pretend myself to be anything but that (heck im a noob on top of it.)
And I didnt try to hijack it sorry if I did (dont think I done so, yet.) *waves off*
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: King Leia
Oh yah
And to the unoffial forum moderator sir whateher. Getting a point through in the forums you mention is even more doomed than here
Your ORIGONAL thread got an exelent answer and concerning the top 10 thread in features and ideas. No one expected a responce from that and everyone could see that the devs will be reading it. Also a few dats ago adev blog or responce did come out concerning that thread.
So stop spamming please.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
1M for the OP's corpse and FRAP it please.
Being cheap i see jenny >.<
2mil for the above ^^
O RLY?! --Jorauk
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
And yes, probably nothing will happen for a while. Because even if they find the fix, most problems need a patch putting out to apply that fix. Deploying a patch is not a trivial exersise, and simply isn't practicle to put one out for every single issue as and when it's fixed.
A lot of other MMO's do it - Sony, for example. Of course, that slows startup time because it needs to scan files etc. to check checksums when the game starts up, and it needs the approproate infrastructure...
I quite appreciate why CCP have not done it, but it IS possible.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 27/04/2006 23:23:49
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Matthew
And yes, probably nothing will happen for a while. Because even if they find the fix, most problems need a patch putting out to apply that fix. Deploying a patch is not a trivial exersise, and simply isn't practicle to put one out for every single issue as and when it's fixed.
A lot of other MMO's do it - Sony, for example. Of course, that slows startup time because it needs to scan files etc. to check checksums when the game starts up, and it needs the approproate infrastructure...
I quite appreciate why CCP have not done it, but it IS possible.
SONY? you dare to use SONY as a good example?  (sorry but, come on.)
ps: starting to think maya owns a PS2/mac and thats why all the flaming of 360/Vista and praising of Sony/mac allways is made...
edit; feel free to flame, goodnight (late in Sweden.)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:27:00 -
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Okay, here's another example... NCSoft/Netdevil's Auto Assualt. There are several others too. That CCP have chosen, for understandable reasons, not to do something does not mean that it is impossible.
It's not an issue of "dare", or "come on", but how it is.
And no, I own a perfectly normal x86 PC, thanks. I have not seriously flamed the XBX360 (although I'm still dubious about the lack of a HDD as standard because it breaks back-compatibility not to have it). I'm more..uh..amused by the Nintendo Wii (omg the name!) and the Sony PS3 (cell processor fun).
Vista? Well yes, I don't like bloatware OS's.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Okay, here's another example... NCSoft/Netdevil's Auto Assualt. There are several others too. That CCP have chosen, for understandable reasons, not to do something does not mean that it is impossible.
It's not an issue of "dare", or "come on", but how it is.
And no, I own a perfectly normal x86 PC, thanks. I have not seriously flamed the XBX360 (although I'm still dubious about the lack of a HDD as standard because it breaks back-compatibility not to have it). I'm more..uh..amused by the Nintendo Wii (omg the name!) and the Sony PS3 (cell processor fun).
Vista? Well yes, I don't like bloatware OS's.
Out of curiousity, how high is your level of autism?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:35:00 -
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I'm not autistic at all.
How high is YOUR level of autism?
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Matthew
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
A lot of other MMO's do it - Sony, for example. Of course, that slows startup time because it needs to scan files etc. to check checksums when the game starts up, and it needs the approproate infrastructure...
I quite appreciate why CCP have not done it, but it IS possible.
I didn't mean the physical issues around getting the patch file out, I meant the problems of releasing something that doesn't cause more problems than it solves, and doesn't result in the bug coming back again when the next major patch comes out because the temporary fix applied to the old code branch didn't port over properly to the new one. Some other MMO's have a much larger development team, which mean's it's easier for them to absorb the extra overheads that come with this approach. Others just don't value the quality of their product highly enough to be too worried about it, and end up needing the rapid-patching system just to keep up as they chase their own tail in ever-decreasing circles.
Deploying *something* isn't the problem. Deploying the right thing is. And remember, as long as the server is up and running, any patch has the potential to make things worse instead of better. Giving a new version a full test shakedown to make sure everything still works (even the stuff you haven't changed, cause you could have broken it without realising), takes a lot of time, and is just as quick to do whether there is 1 fix in the patch, or 10.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:53:00 -
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For client code fixes, I agree with you. The testing method you describe is known as "Recursion Testing", incidentally. It would be nice if things like module attributes were adjustable more easily (without requiring a major patch), but there we go.
I also do remind that CCP DO often deploy server-side hotfixes to issues since they have the infrastructure to so there.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
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