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Shakuul
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Posted - 2006.04.28 05:11:00 -
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In my experience, mining is one of the most boring things in the game, espeically in high security (where the macroers go), since there are no rats. Macro miners flood the market with pyerite and tritanium, so prices fall. This encourages players to turn away from boring mining and do something more fun, like hunt NPCs. It also makes it easier for miners of mid range ores to buy a ship, since the isogen or nocxium or mexallon will buy that much more tritanium or pyerite.
Thoughts/Comments?
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milisha
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Posted - 2006.04.28 05:41:00 -
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I believe that macro miners are a hinderance to new players who are more likely to take up mining in high sec systems. Sure, mining mightn't be the most exciting aspect of the game, but most players still cut their teeth on it, and it's a part of the game that shouldn't be taken away and left to a few cheaters.
Sure, the cheaper minerals have made a lot of producers happy, but it's not like they were languishing in poverty before macro miners came into the game.
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:16:00 -
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It's a flawed assumption to just decide that everyone hates mining.
Most people don't care for your version of "the light". You are not converting them. It is against their will.
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Level4
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Nukeitall
It's a flawed assumption to just decide that everyone hates mining.
Most people don't care for your version of "the light". You are not converting them. It is against their will.
Yes, yes some ppl think mining is a spiritual enlightment.. 
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Shakuul
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nukeitall
It's a flawed assumption to just decide that everyone hates mining.
Most people don't care for your version of "the light". You are not converting them. It is against their will.
Well, please correct me if you think I'm wrong. I just don't see how dragging ore from your cargo hold to a can, and then another can, and retargeting roids, and hauling, for hours upon end, could possibly be interesting.
Originally by: milisha
I believe that macro miners are a hinderance to new players who are more likely to take up mining in high sec systems. Sure, mining mightn't be the most exciting aspect of the game, but most players still cut their teeth on it, and it's a part of the game that shouldn't be taken away and left to a few cheaters.
It is a hinderance to very new miners. People that start off doing courier missions or kill missions will be better off with cheaper ships. As soon as you get a cruiser, you can mine ores that don't derive most of their value from the tritanium/pyerite (like omber). Or you can move on to kill missions, where everything from ships to ammo will be a bit cheaper.
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Admiral Keyes
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:26:00 -
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I find mining to be very relaxing so its good when im stressed out, i can just kick back listen to some music, chat with friends and mine away, plus im a miner manufacturer so to me its fun. I did a 15 hour mining session one day last week, killed a whole 0.6 asteroid belt in a medium barge, the isk worth was not the best (about 25 million) but the only "work" i did was hauling which is easy with two accounts. Plus it allowed me to watch the world snooker championship on tv at the same time.  Its easy to get away from the macroer's as well.
It all comes down to your play style. Making a broad statement that all hate mining is totally incorrect.
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Blood Gutter
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:08:00 -
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I used to care about macro miners but now I make more than in hour than they make in a night.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.04.29 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Gutter
I used to care about macro miners but now I make more than in hour than they make in a night.
Don't give them any hints 
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.04.29 03:56:00 -
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One of the reasons of the trit/pye fall is Freighters.
It would take you hours and hours to move 20-30m trit, with freighters you just load it up once and let it travel 
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Posted - 2006.04.29 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
In my experience, mining is one of the most boring things in the game, espeically in high security (where the macroers go), since there are no rats. Macro miners flood the market with pyerite and tritanium, so prices fall. This encourages players to turn away from boring mining and do something more fun, like hunt NPCs. It also makes it easier for miners of mid range ores to buy a ship, since the isogen or nocxium or mexallon will buy that much more tritanium or pyerite.
Thoughts/Comments?
i agreee, they mine so we dont have too
the problems start when people do this for a living, ie isk farm via mining, but there are much much simpler ways of doing that if one where so inclined, IE t2 BPOs much easer, less effort ect
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Lala Ru
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Posted - 2006.04.29 16:20:00 -
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As a new player, I hardly mine. I tried is a few times, but each time I found that kiling NPCs would get more income. If I really needed cash, I did courier missions.
I dislike Macro Miners on principle, because they cheat and enable others to cheat. However, they do take care of a lot of boring stuff so everyone else can do more interesting things.
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Diemex
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Posted - 2006.04.29 18:02:00 -
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There are times where I would like to mine.
Often the places I visit are mined out. I assume that this is due to the macro miners. If the macro miners did not exist... I have to think it would not be as difficult to find a belt to mine in.
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GreyMana
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Posted - 2006.04.29 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
In my experience, mining is one of the most boring things in the game, espeically in high security (where the macroers go), since there are no rats. Macro miners flood the market with pyerite and tritanium, so prices fall. This encourages players to turn away from boring mining and do something more fun, like hunt NPCs. It also makes it easier for miners of mid range ores to buy a ship, since the isogen or nocxium or mexallon will buy that much more tritanium or pyerite.
Thoughts/Comments?
IMHO falling mineral prices don't "encourage" people who actually like mining, but "forces" them to NPC. The demand is there, but since miners are competing with people who "work" 23/7, they don't make that amount of money which CCP thought of.
The same would be with power-missioning. Think about a pool of people who are doing missions in groups and so fast, that the average mission time decreases to a level which is not doneable by a single player. You would miss every bonus reward and maybe you would get frustrated and turn to another profession.
In this situation, the miners would be happy about cheap Navy Ravens and other faction ships, while you get screwed.
Just speaking for my own, I'm specialized in mining. Can use a hulk with full T2 equipment (miners/crystals/drones). With the increase of macrominers and working bees the times rise where I'm asking myself why I wasted those skillpoints - just because some kind of people want to do business with iskies killing my beloved game 
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2006.04.29 19:36:00 -
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I think that the farmers do keep mineral prices down to some extent, especially on the trit/pyer. I'm also not opposed to this. I'm one of the few people who actually enjoys mining because it takes so little mental power that I can spend time enjoying the more social aspects of the game.
That being said, I rarely run a mining gang these days because I like doing other things.
If other people want to do the grunt work of producing bulk minerals and keeping them cheap on the market, I'm all fo rletting them do so.
I also wish that the sitck macro discussion post was tstill there, because this is going to get out of hand on the forums again.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:13:00 -
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If large scale automated mining indeed helped most players, shouldn't CCP then help those macro people?
That is, instead forcing them to use time in useless activities (like writing external scripts), CCP should just sell ore. Like "for each extra $15 you pay, your account receives 250M Veldspar and 70M Scordite".
If you feel there is something wrong in that scheme, you should be able to find exatcly same drawbacks with macro miners.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:00:00 -
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as much as i like torturing and baiting the macro'ers in my area ( do really hate them) I think the pos industry finds the cheap ice this undesireable part of eve provide. I hate to think what it would be like without their cheap ice cubes on the markets.
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mightymadmat
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Posted - 2006.04.30 17:56:00 -
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Eventually CCP will catch-up with macro-miners, and kick them off the game for violations of the EULA (End users licience agreement).
I hate macro-miners
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:47:00 -
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The only problem with macro miners is that they deny new players the chance to make money mining.
Suggestion - within 1.0 systems, make it impossible to activate mining lasers if your character is more than 4 weeks old.
Apart from that, macro miners aren't too big a deal
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CrushProject
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Posted - 2006.05.02 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: CrushProject on 02/05/2006 13:54:35
i love macro miners. They always have the isk, and you can always make isk off of them!
and yes, mining is boring as hell, I tried it for several months myself when i first started out and wish i could taken back all the skills/time invested into such a boring low profit trade...
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Erfnam
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:06:00 -
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I'm a trader/manufacturer/ceo. As many others have stated, mining is a mentally passive activity that allows the miner to multitask. It's good social time for corp members and allows me to recruit new members. As a trader, I can earn a living anywhere in region regardless of where I am. Even when I'm in a belt, I can still work the market.
It's quite easy to find a belt to mine in if you venture away from the hubs.
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Sarmea Moon
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Posted - 2006.05.02 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
One of the reasons of the trit/pye fall is Freighters.
It would take you hours and hours to move 20-30m trit, with freighters you just load it up once and let it travel
Erm, you realize that by compressing the minerals, you can haul 30 million trit in one hauler, one trip, right? ( passive targeters ftw) If you have pe5 and perfect refine, you experience virtually no loss.
Armor plating is also the way to go for the lowest 3 mineral compression.
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Specture
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:25:00 -
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i belive SirMolle to be the most evil macro miner in eve. Dianabolic, and Seelene just haul for him.
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:02:00 -
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Mining is mundane, if people want to use programs to do it for them then let them, no skin off my back and it bloody well isn't for new players.
I'm glad mining is less profitable for new players as it means that they will turn to something else early on and thus enjoy eve more and are likely to stay. It's CCP's fault for creating such an inadequate and mundane task that just so happens to be essential to eve's economy.
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Shadrin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:45:00 -
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I love macrominers, they fill my orders cheaply and I don't have to do the boring work.
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Lurd
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:43:00 -
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The isk farmers that I have come across recently, only seem to mine Kernite.
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Frabba
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Posted - 2006.05.16 07:35:00 -
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yeah, recently in Yasud it seems there will be 4-5 macroers going at a given time, mining all the kernite out of the system. Aggrivating.
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Ridater Trymon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:24:00 -
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What exactly do u think the macro miners do with all this isk? Some of them may be alts for other characters but from what i know most of them are isk farming to then sell it for real money. This is the truly damaging part of the macrominers and now other people are getting on the bandwagon.
Allowing people to use real money to buy isk and therefore shortcut a key element of the game (whether it be mining, mission running or production etc). This is the real danger of macro miners, allowing lazy people with cash to get a leg up on the true players.
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