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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kriger Edited by: Kriger on 01/05/2006 11:09:30 If RA indeed are interested in a stable south, and have been offered the possibility of peace with the option to remain in control of a region (Cache) i would suggest theyd take it this offer. This is by no means intended as smack. RA can choose not to, however this will only imply that the war goes on and the coalition will put more pressure on Cache to get RA out completely. However atm (afaik) no one in the coalition + friends really wants to take control of Cache (this was never a territorial war - not for V anyway), so if RA really were to change their ways im quite convinced this would be considered as a serious sensible option by the coalition, provided RA went into this genuinly and wholehartedly. However im not in any of the high counsils, so i may be completely wrong here. As most grunts in V im just interested in targets so if RA were to choose to keep the fight going its prolly fine by most members in V :) However from an alliance survival point of view i would find it quite sensible if RA were to conceed that they cannot win this war, and instead try to build a prosperous future with the rest of us in the region, on mutually benificial terms.
As you stated correctly - this was never a territorial war for V. And that's why I find it possible to negotiate with YOU guys. On the other hand I find it quite hard to even imagine any negotiations with LV, since they have something personal going there, besides they wanted our regions, atleast that's what they told when they started the war. Has this policy changed? Dire to know :)
P.S. only my personal point of view based on the facts that I've seen and heard.
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Velios
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:45:00 -
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BH are you the leader of RA? Yes or No answer only please. If so then we will talk soon if you would wish it. If not please point me in the right direction.
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Velios
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:02:00 -
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And just to remind people of our motives here... since the real reasons behind events can become lost and distorted as time goes by. The allied coalition has taken all of this territory back from RA because we needed to show you that the amount of territory you held as an alliance was totally disproportionate to your ability to hold and defend it.
Effectively when 5. left the south and pulled out of Cache in pre RMR times RA was free to take every station in the area, and then claimed a huge resounding victory, but it was a hollow victory as you were not opposed at all during this time. I think that it was wrong to attempt to claim so much space, and the history books show how easily some systems have been taken from you.
Now, a LOT of territory has changed hands and more yet may still change hands but many in the coalition are now satisfied that our goal has been proved. As was said earlier, we don't necessarily want Cache lest we make the same mistakes that you (RA) did wanting more than we have the ability to use.
Maybe a resolve can be met if talks are held in a civil manner, and if realistic requests are made by all parties.
Until that time then... :) |
Kriger
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kriger on 01/05/2006 12:14:42
Originally by: Beyond Horizon As you stated correctly - this was never a territorial war for V. And that's why I find it possible to negotiate with YOU guys. On the other hand I find it quite hard to even imagine any negotiations with LV, since they have something personal going there, besides they wanted our regions, atleast that's what they told when they started the war. Has this policy changed? Dire to know :)
P.S. only my personal point of view based on the facts that I've seen and heard.
Negotiations without all coalition parties is not an option - this would be seen as divide and conquer tactics from RA yet again, which would only fuel the coalitions desire to continue the war with RA even more, since these tactics were in part the reason why V went at RA. This war is at a point where RA has few short term options (lemme know if any is missing): 1. Continue the war, and most likely loose Cache within some months, retreat to Curse and/or Empire, and do a guirilla war from there. 2. Reconsider their situation in the South - can RA and the coalition find common ground and settle in a peace where we actually benefit from one another, and communicate in a civil and constructive manner? I didnt even know RA had been offered a peace recently, hence my previous post. But given the 2 options above, i (if i was in the RA HC), would seriously consider the second option. If this means "accepting" defeat, or at least acknowledge that RA cannot win this war, well so be it. If RA were to join the coalition wholehartedly and actually help build a strong south, this would be in everyones interest (talking in strategical terms here, rather than my otherwise preferred pvp'er terms here :))
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Klezz
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Klezz on 01/05/2006 12:43:57 Komolov said to LD and me in our convo , that he would take our "offer" to RA Hi-council and then get back to us. (This was said after Chow left the convo) But we haven't heard anything from either Komolov or RA since. Atleast we opend up negotiations , and so far RA have repplied with silence.
Im not interrested in having negotiations here in EVE-O forum / public. So let us know who we can contact and get this sorted , more silence will just keep the coalition on our current track.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:11:00 -
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There is no point for RA to sign NAP - without stuff to shoot RA will break apart
There is no point for lv to sign a NAP - without common enemy their belowed coalition will break apart
v/chimps opinion do not counts - they do what chow order them to do
so, there is nothing to discuss
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fargas There is no point for RA to sign NAP - without stuff to shoot RA will break apart
There is no point for lv to sign a NAP - without common enemy their belowed coalition will break apart
v/chimps opinion do not counts - they do what chow order them to do
so, there is nothing to discuss
Lol fargas. You are like the personification of the thing that created the coalition: Arrogancy.
We don't need your so called PVP.
It's your arrogancy what keeps us together.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:22:00 -
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<enter fargas flame here which quite incidentally will fuel the coalition>
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Fargas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:30:00 -
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my arrogancy? omg, i'm so important LOL
klik, .... davno pora |
Kriger
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati <enter fargas flame here which quite incidentally will fuel the coalition>
Indeed.. more targets it is then \o/
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Fargas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:49:00 -
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Hint: if you want more targets - just reset standings
klik, .... davno pora |
Velios
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:56:00 -
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So all talks are pointless then Fargas? |
Kriger
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kriger on 01/05/2006 14:03:15
Originally by: Fargas Hint: if you want more targets - just reset standings
you mean this? - V - Announcement - Standings
way ahead of you fargas.. not sure im surprised rly..
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Fargas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:29:00 -
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well, i believe there are some realistic conditions which will be ok for RA, but i dont think you'll agree to it
why lv want this nap? you surrounded by fat layer of cannon fodder and can mine in peace without any problems. cos of virtual "stable south"?
klik, .... davno pora |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.01 15:13:00 -
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Bah... we talk too much.
I say, we just wipe RA off the map. Easier that way. ---------------- May 1st - We love Khatred day. RecruitMe@NOINT! |
Prime Judicator
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Posted - 2006.05.01 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Prime Judicator on 01/05/2006 15:59:21
Originally by: Fargas well, i believe there are some realistic conditions which will be ok for RA, but i dont think you'll agree to it
why lv want this nap? you surrounded by fat layer of cannon fodder and can mine in peace without any problems. cos of virtual "stable south"?
Funny how you play the reasonable, mature guys card while constantly insulting the other alliances in the coalition by implying thyere merely doing LV's biddings
Cant wait to catch ya before the Holy Loggof, i hope my LV overlords will allow me to fire tho.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.01 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 01/05/2006 16:11:30 The more he posts here, the more he becomes a caricature really - Information Minister style that is ^^
The picture of the old sleeping giant is slowly replaced by the thought of RA mostly consisting of an angry and insulting fargas
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Fargas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 16:47:00 -
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lv didnt put single POS in insmother/scalding/wicked chimps kos and v doing it very convinient. they can mine in tenerifis 24/7 and have some pvp near n-rael when they want it while all the rest coalition members doing the dirty job. well, its your choice, you can tell whatever you want, like fueling poses is so much fun, and hauling stuff for it is even more fun. the facts are: only lv benefits from this situation.
as for the personal offences - i dont care. you just dont like the truth. Of course, its hard to admit yourself as someones puppet.
thats why i'm asked whats the point for lv to offer nap to RA.
klik, .... davno pora |
Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.05.01 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Velios BH are you the leader of RA? Yes or No answer only please. If so then we will talk soon if you would wish it. If not please point me in the right direction.
I am a member of the Red Council, which is in fact the ruling authority of RA. But the leaders are Galateia(RUS team) and Hugo Kaviene(ENG team). Nothing of what I've said here has been reported to my superiors, but I'm pretty sure they have read this; also I am always having sessions with Galateia and from what I've heard he wouldn't mind negotiations. If we are further to arrange a meeting, please convo or eve mail(or e-mail me [email protected]) - and we'll try to have a go. Thank you.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2006.05.01 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Fargas lv didnt put single POS in insmother/scalding/wicked chimps kos and v doing it very convinient.
Sometimes things are not as visual as you would like them to be. You better get better intel on what -LV- is or was doing before posting this crap.
Burzon, Logistics Director -V- Alliance CEO PAX Interstellar Proud Member of -V-
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Karl Shade
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Posted - 2006.05.01 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Burzon
Originally by: Fargas lv didnt put single POS in insmother/scalding/wicked chimps kos and v doing it very convinient.
Sometimes things are not as visual as you would like them to be. You better get better intel on what -LV- is or was doing before posting this crap.
Burzon, Logistics Director -V- Alliance
Now now. It wouldn¦t be proper flames if he thought before he wrote.
Apart from Fargas though I rather enjoy the general attitude of the thread. Sensible. -
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supakilla
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Prime Judicator Edited by: Prime Judicator on 01/05/2006 15:59:21
Originally by: Fargas well, i believe there are some realistic conditions which will be ok for RA, but i dont think you'll agree to it
why lv want this nap? you surrounded by fat layer of cannon fodder and can mine in peace without any problems. cos of virtual "stable south"?
Funny how you play the reasonable, mature guys card while constantly insulting the other alliances in the coalition by implying thyere merely doing LV's biddings
Cant wait to catch ya before the Holy Loggof, i hope my LV overlords will allow me to fire tho.
Fargas is currently logging on/off in a ss in NZPK-G in Omist.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nebuli on 01/05/2006 20:02:07 Well when asked about any proposals for peace I shall vote no on all counts after reading Fargas's posts, as far as I'm concerned you can rot in hell RED.
Forget any form of peace guys, lets just finish them off.
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Kurai Amaro
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:18:00 -
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Well,
the sound of this thread is like "and the winner is". And the sound is made by -V- .
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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fargas lv didnt put single POS in insmother/scalding/wicked chimps kos and v doing it very convinient. they can mine in tenerifis 24/7 and have some pvp near n-rael when they want it while all the rest coalition members doing the dirty job. well, its your choice, you can tell whatever you want, like fueling poses is so much fun, and hauling stuff for it is even more fun. the facts are: only lv benefits from this situation.
as for the personal offences - i dont care. you just dont like the truth. Of course, its hard to admit yourself as someones puppet.
thats why i'm asked whats the point for lv to offer nap to RA.
What a pathetic man you are indeed, I sence a lot of personal hate still, between you and shinra, cant you just grow up and move on for once? Its getting really boring to read your posts now, everything to you is a conspiracy with everyone dancing to shinra's music, RA might be built up that way while the rest of us are adults and CAN think for ourselves.
What you think is a conspiracy we consider TEAMWORK, we make plan, yes we do, we actually make plans believe it or not and instead of everyone being an expert in all areas, we have alliances that are good at something while others act as support etc. Think about it please, why on earth would LV put up POS's in a system we dont intend to claim?
Some people....
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Papa Digger
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Posted - 2006.05.02 05:17:00 -
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Hm.. current situation in this war looks like Iraq war. USA say: "Huraa! We win war! Enemy totaly defeated!" But their soldiers dying often then early. Coalition lost at least 3 freighters in last 4 days.. in "peaceful conquered regions". Strange, isn't it? Yes, RA withdraw from regions, but was not defeated! POSes wern't destroed, it were unachored and relocated. Many trash leave ex-RA space (really 10x to coalition for it), but fighters remain in alliance. And now smucktalkers only more and more insult our members to raise thier morale and help them unite forces. :) But you can sleep well. You already win this war, isn't it?
PS. Thanks to M. Corp for Dread BPO :)
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.05.02 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Digger Hm.. current situation in this war looks like Iraq war. USA say: "Huraa! We win war! Enemy totaly defeated!" But their soldiers dying often then early. Coalition lost at least 3 freighters in last 4 days.. in "peaceful conquered regions". Strange, isn't it? Yes, RA withdraw from regions, but was not defeated! POSes wern't destroed, it were unachored and relocated. Many trash leave ex-RA space (really 10x to coalition for it), but fighters remain in alliance. And now smucktalkers only more and more insult our members to raise thier morale and help them unite forces. :) But you can sleep well. You already win this war, isn't it?
PS. Thanks to M. Corp for Dread BPO :)
So in fact you want to say that it is not a LOSS to lose 5 regions? I would say it is a WIN for the Allies to win 5 regions!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:13:00 -
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The celestial apoc fleet moved into GW last night and will be staying to fight mutual enemies with our friends RA.
For the record they never asked for any assistance. We are here solely for the PVP.
I hope all this smack against RA is backed up by you all being good fighters, if not ill be rather disapointed.
@velios, good to see u still playing, i thought u had left. d solo.
not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here. |
Chowdown
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Chowdown on 02/05/2006 09:27:56
Originally by: darth solo The celestial apoc fleet moved into GW last night and will be staying to fight mutual enemies with our friends RA.
For the record they never asked for any assistance. We are here solely for the PVP.
I hope all this smack against RA is backed up by you all being good fighters, if not ill be rather disapointed.
@velios, good to see u still playing, i thought u had left. d solo.
I thank that is a somewhat rash assessment, the majority of the actual "smack" has come from SOME RA players.
Originally by: Ginger Magician They always have been lamers and dishonourable pvpers.
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PVP'er
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Posted - 2006.05.02 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: PVP''er on 02/05/2006 10:20:57
Originally by: darth solo The celestial apoc fleet moved into GW last night and will be staying to fight mutual enemies with our friends RA.
For the record they never asked for any assistance. We are here solely for the PVP.
I hope all this smack against RA is backed up by you all being good fighters, if not ill be rather disapointed.
@velios, good to see u still playing, i thought u had left. d solo.
This coming from the same celestial apoc who used to camp hed-gp and run back into empire at the first sign of a hostile fleet ? |
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