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AgentMaster
Dinoblood Reborn
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:32:00 -
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Why there is no signal for full ore hold while mining?! There is a speak for destroyed asteroid and nothing for full ore hold :( |

Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers Backwater Aristocrats
109
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:34:00 -
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Thought There was? At least I think it used to give an announcement for why the lasers shut off. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:35:00 -
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pay attention? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |

AgentMaster
Dinoblood Reborn
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:37:00 -
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When ore hold is full, lasers just shut off silently! |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:46:00 -
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Why would you need an alarm? You can see what you have in your ore hold at any time. Oh god. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1178
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:57:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:When ore hold is full, lasers just shut off silently!
hence the advantage of being at ur keyboard and paying attention EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |

Vesan Terakol
Sad Face Enterprises
51
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:01:00 -
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Why would you not need an alarm? You might have several accounts running simultaneously. One could calculate the exact moment his cargo fills up and put a stopwatch on his desk. Or, we could et a voice notification, like for almost anything else. There is no good reason not to have one. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4259327 - more suff in the Zero.Zero collection |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
467
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:01:00 -
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This is only a problem for you if you can't be bothered to keep an eye on your barge.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
295
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:03:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:Why there is no signal for full ore hold while mining?! There is a speak for destroyed asteroid and nothing for full ore hold :(
Mining AFK carries the risk of being killed and the risk of lower yield as you lose cyles/don't empty the hold when it gets full. I think there specifically isn't a sounding alarm (just the notification) for this reason. A miner at the keyborad will naturally get higher yield than one afk. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1178
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:06:00 -
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Vesan Terakol wrote:Why would you not need an alarm? You might have several accounts running simultaneously. One could calculate the exact moment his cargo fills up and put a stopwatch on his desk. Or, we could et a voice notification, like for almost anything else. There is no good reason not to have one.
if ur playing with more accounts than u can handle, perhaps lower the number of accounts ur playing with?
kinda falls into the same area as ppl wanting to extend the Hulks ore hold because they couldnt keep up with the lasers. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
172
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:34:00 -
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Seriously, pulling the botting card here is weak sauce people. PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK.
There is NO reason not to have an audible cue for this. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |

Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
172
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:48:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Why would you need an alarm? You can see what you have in your ore hold at any time.
Quote: This is only a problem for you if you can't be bothered to keep an eye on your barge.
Why do you need to know when a booster or repper has run out of charges? The data is plainly visible. Why do you need to know when your shields and armor drop? It's only a problem if you can't be bothered to keep an eye on your screen.
I get it, in PVP it can be hard to absorb data that quickly. In mining it is difficult to absorb data that sparsely. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
296
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:57:00 -
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It is to allow the attentive miner to differentiate themself from a semi-afk miner by virtue of better yields. If I am sat there checking my survey scans and optimising my laser cycles and hold unloads then I should be able to get a better yield than someone paying less attention. Start giving audio cues for these events and you pretty much make it pointlesss to pay attention whilst mining (apart from in gank areas of course) |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:07:00 -
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Vesan Terakol wrote:Why would you not need an alarm? Because you're paying attention.
Quote:You might have several accounts running simultaneously. So what? That's a drawback of multi-boxing. Why should players who already have a huge advantage get an even greater one?
Quote:There is no good reason not to have one. Yeah there is. To reward attentive players while punishing lazy ones.
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK When do semi-AFK PVPers run out of charges? When does a PVPer rely on sound notifications to realise that? Those modules reload automatically anyway.
Oh god. |

Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
172
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Posted - 2014.03.18 17:16:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK When do semi-AFK PVPers run out of charges? When does a PVPer rely on sound notifications to realise that? Those modules reload automatically anyway.
Erotica needs to let you out of the basement more often, ancillaries do not auto reload. They will however, keep chugging cap while repping horribly if you let them go.
Quote:It is to allow the attentive miner to differentiate themself from a semi-afk miner by virtue of better yields. If I am sat there checking my survey scans and optimising my laser cycles and hold unloads then I should be able to get a better yield than someone paying less attention. Start giving audio cues for these events and you pretty much make it pointlesss to pay attention whilst mining (apart from in gank areas of course)
So lets pull all damage warnings, all ammo/charge warnings, cap alarms, gate flashes. The attentive PVP'ers will be rewarded by getting more kills.
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
296
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Posted - 2014.03.18 17:36:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK When do semi-AFK PVPers run out of charges? When does a PVPer rely on sound notifications to realise that? Those modules reload automatically anyway. Erotica needs to let you out of the basement more often, ancillaries do not auto reload. They will however, keep chugging cap while repping horribly if you let them go. Quote:It is to allow the attentive miner to differentiate themself from a semi-afk miner by virtue of better yields. If I am sat there checking my survey scans and optimising my laser cycles and hold unloads then I should be able to get a better yield than someone paying less attention. Start giving audio cues for these events and you pretty much make it pointlesss to pay attention whilst mining (apart from in gank areas of course) So lets pull all damage warnings, all ammo/charge warnings, cap alarms, gate flashes. The attentive PVP'ers will be rewarded by getting more kills.
I'm thinking that the difference is that an inattentive PvPer is a very rapidly dead PvPer...In PvP you differentiate yourself buy managing all the conflicting needs of your ship and the situation, a lot of information to process and here warnings are necessary I would say. On mining lasers its a 2-3 minute wait, and 10-30 mins to fill the hold depending on ship/skills/support. Here the only way to reward an attentive miner above the afk/multi-box miner is by giving them a chance to improve yield by managing the process of mining manually. If that means not giving audio cues to those afk then I think that's fair enough myself. |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2936
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:08:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Erotica needs to let you out of the basement more often, ancillaries do not auto reload. They will however, keep chugging cap while repping horribly if you let them go. I don't see what Erotica has to do with this. ASBs don't notify you when they run out of charges AFAIK.
Quote:So lets pull all damage warnings, all ammo/charge warnings, cap alarms, gate flashes. The attentive PVP'ers will be rewarded by getting more kills. Apart from gate flashes, I don't think it really matters.
Oh god. |

Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
262
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:21:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:Why there is no signal for full ore hold while mining?! There is a speak for destroyed asteroid and nothing for full ore hold :(
You might find the existing capacity bar when you open the ore hold window to be useful for this purpose.
It does mean that you need to stop AFK mining to notice it. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1183
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:34:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
So lets pull all damage warnings, all ammo/charge warnings, cap alarms, gate flashes. The attentive PVP'ers will be rewarded by getting more kills.
Typical EVE Player wrote: EVE has sound?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
95
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Posted - 2014.03.18 20:53:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK When do semi-AFK PVPers run out of charges? When does a PVPer rely on sound notifications to realise that? Those modules reload automatically anyway. Erotica needs to let you out of the basement more often, ancillaries do not auto reload. They will however, keep chugging cap while repping horribly if you let them go. Quote:It is to allow the attentive miner to differentiate themself from a semi-afk miner by virtue of better yields. If I am sat there checking my survey scans and optimising my laser cycles and hold unloads then I should be able to get a better yield than someone paying less attention. Start giving audio cues for these events and you pretty much make it pointlesss to pay attention whilst mining (apart from in gank areas of course) So lets pull all damage warnings, all ammo/charge warnings, cap alarms, gate flashes. The attentive PVP'ers will be rewarded by getting more kills. I'm thinking that the difference is that an inattentive PvPer is a very rapidly dead PvPer...In PvP you differentiate yourself buy managing all the conflicting needs of your ship and the situation, a lot of information to process and here warnings are necessary I would say. On mining lasers its a 2-3 minute wait, and 10-30 mins to fill the hold depending on ship/skills/support. Here the only way to reward an attentive miner above the afk/multi-box miner is by giving them a chance to improve yield by managing the process of mining manually. If that means not giving audio cues to those afk then I think that's fair enough myself.
just for the record - depending on which barge you're using and how you're using it - it can take less than two whole cycles to fill the hold..... (although this REALLY DOES reward the attentive miner) For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
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AgentMaster
Dinoblood Reborn
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Posted - 2014.03.19 05:57:00 -
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I need this alarm more than speak - "The asteroid is depleeted" I can see that too, but there is that "warning"  Those whu dont need them - let just disabled it from setting. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
296
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Posted - 2014.03.19 10:13:00 -
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If you take away the need to be attentive you take away the only advantage the ATK miner has over the AFK miners. |

Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
173
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:13:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:If you take away the need to be attentive you take away the only advantage the ATK miner has over the AFK miners.
Other than the fact that an AFK miner cannot actually mine?
HS rocks aren't very big. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
95
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:02:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:If you take away the need to be attentive you take away the only advantage the ATK miner has over the AFK miners. Other than the fact that an AFK miner cannot actually mine? HS rocks aren't very big.
again - I think that's balance - on the risk-reward front.... more dangerous rocks - more dangerous space. For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1189
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:32:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:If you take away the need to be attentive you take away the only advantage the ATK miner has over the AFK miners. Other than the fact that an AFK miner cannot actually mine? HS rocks aren't very big.
and yet afk mining is rampant
there are plenty of rocks big enough to fill more than half a mack from empty. with two of these rocks in range u never have to do anything till ur full.
edit, and then of course theres ice... EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |

Cekle Skyscales
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
26
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:59:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:When ore hold is full, lasers just shut off silently!
If they had a shut-off sound similar to the "chunk!" sound the Salvager makes, that would be kinda nice. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1076
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:56:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:When ore hold is full, lasers just shut off silently! That's the alarm. It's just as loud as the sound of your little-brother-who-never-shuts-up who has gone suddenly silent, and their are unfamiliar footsteps in the house... Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1506
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:05:00 -
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+1 for quality of life improvement!
Ignore the neysayers that love sitting and starring at the screen just to go blind and gather hemorrhoids. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Khoul Ay'd
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
171
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Posted - 2014.03.20 03:14:00 -
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Do you realize how annoying it would be flying your Orca to market with a full ore bay. I can hear it now:
Dammit computer, I know the ore bay is full, that's the point! The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it |

AgentMaster
Dinoblood Reborn
3
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Posted - 2014.03.20 12:17:00 -
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Its one time alarm for miners! The asteroid depleeted is annoying?!  The mining is annoying enough - this will sound good like "Wake up men, the hold is full - time to go..."  |
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Kasife Vynneve
Capital Storm. The Storm Collective
22
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:57:00 -
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If you stop paying attention to even a moderately boosted Hulk its your own loss and the game does not need to be changed to cater for players with a lack of attention capacity. |

Cathy Mikakka
Schroedingers Fluffy Kitty Asylum Ravens Misfits
4
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:00:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Vesan Terakol wrote:Why would you not need an alarm? You might have several accounts running simultaneously. One could calculate the exact moment his cargo fills up and put a stopwatch on his desk. Or, we could et a voice notification, like for almost anything else. There is no good reason not to have one. if ur playing with more accounts than u can handle, perhaps lower the number of accounts ur playing with? kinda falls into the same area as ppl wanting to extend the Hulks ore hold because they couldnt keep up with the lasers. If you can't spell like a person, perhaps consider stop posting? |

Marsan
Old Farts
215
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:18:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Why would you need an alarm? You can see what you have in your ore hold at any time.
Yeah, but mining is so boring plus corp chat and hulu keeps distracting me. If I wanted to pay attention I'd be doing something other than mining. Seriously the only thing worse than mining is paying attention while mining. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |

Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
270
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:26:00 -
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Marsan wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Why would you need an alarm? You can see what you have in your ore hold at any time. Yeah, but mining is so boring plus corp chat and hulu keeps distracting me. If I wanted to pay attention I'd be doing something other than mining. Seriously the only thing worse than mining is paying attention while mining.
Then don't mine if you don't like doing it? Do I honestly need to make this suggestion? |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
273
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:47:00 -
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Silly questions and silly answers, people. |

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
78
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:57:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Seriously, pulling the botting card here is weak sauce people. PVP players get warnings when anything you use runs out of ammo, you get gate flashes and wh thumps and all kinds of useful things when you are semi-AFK.
There is NO reason not to have an audible cue for this.
Do you know how annoying that sound is? Do we really need another annoying sound? Toggle on/off and sure, I would be fine with it.
Whatever anyone thinks, the idea is not a bad idea. While it is not something that is needed, just as the warnings about damage levels are not needed (though the damage warnings are more useful where combat tunnel vision may blind you - mining has nothing similar unless you are watching a movie - of which I am guilty), the idea itself is not bad. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:29:00 -
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AgentMaster wrote:Why there is no signal for full ore hold while mining?! There is a speak for destroyed asteroid and nothing for full ore hold :(
The only thing you have to look when you are mining is what you are mining and if you have enough cargo to mine it...
So, if it is too hard for you, I think you should not mine. |

AgentMaster
Dinoblood Reborn Unkind Initiative
3
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:56:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake if i not like to mine i didnt make that suggest!!! Why when the minners want something usefull for their work allways appear ppl who didnt mine at all and say "NO"?! Hope CCP include sound for full ore hold in new audio menu! Blessed is the man who has nothing to say and yet silent! |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1593
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:09:00 -
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Cathy Mikakka wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Vesan Terakol wrote:Why would you not need an alarm? You might have several accounts running simultaneously. One could calculate the exact moment his cargo fills up and put a stopwatch on his desk. Or, we could et a voice notification, like for almost anything else. There is no good reason not to have one. if ur playing with more accounts than u can handle, perhaps lower the number of accounts ur playing with? kinda falls into the same area as ppl wanting to extend the Hulks ore hold because they couldnt keep up with the lasers. If you can't spell like a person, perhaps consider stop posting?
except i can spell.
i ju5t cho05e n0t t0. wh4t u gonn4 d0 4bout 1t!?
agent, i am a miner, and i try to pay attention.
its within my best interest that ppl that dont pay attention, like urself, lose out. that way ppl who are putting the work in make more money than those that dont. and that's good for the game. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
771
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:09:00 -
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Mining definitely needs more support for AFK play.  "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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