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Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 01:41:00 - [1] I am creating a spreadsheet that calculates total mineral requirements for ships, and that will show the mineral amount change for each ME level. How would you calculate the mineral change for each point of Mineral Efficiency on a Blueprint? ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2006.04.29 01:43:00 - [2] I don't remember the initial & but I think it's 1% saved then ,5% saved than ,25% saved etc on each level of me Money is for poor people
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 01:48:00 - [3] So how would that look in an equasion? (5.10.5) etc ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Macdeth	Posted - 2006.04.29 04:43:00 - [4] I'm too lazy to do it myself, but you can probably derive it somehow from the following formulas: actual_mins = ROUND((1 + (base_waste * (1 / (1 + ME)))) * perfect_mins) waste = base_waste * (1 / (1 + ME))
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 16:40:00 - [5] Base waste would be 5% correct? Is that waste added to the base mineral amount (base * .05), or is it 5% of the 100% of the minerals used? (.95 + .05[waste] * base) ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Macdeth	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Serendipity007 Base waste would be 5% correct? Is that waste added to the base mineral amount (base * .05), or is it 5% of the 100% of the minerals used? (.95 + .05[waste] * base) I'm pretty sure base waste is listed on the (ME 0) blueprint info you get when you show info on one from the market - For almost everything, it's 10%, though I think some items like ammo start with something else. perfect_mins is the amount shown if you look up the item at http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/. The waste is a percentage of those 'perfect' requirements, and is added onto them... ie, perfect = 100%, waste = 10% so total = 110% of perfect with me0, 105% with me1, 103.33% with me2, 102.5% with me3, 102% with me4, 101.67% with me5, etc.
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:18:00 - [7] So the website lists the mineral amounts at PE5 and not the base amount? DOH! Back to the spreadsheet I go. ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:21:00 - [8] Each level of material efficiency halves the previous waste value. so a 0.1 (10%) becomes 0.05 (5%) at ME1, 0.025 (2.5%) at ME 2 and so on. BPO's are almost always either 10% (0.1) or 5% (0.05) base wastage. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:32:00 - [9] Bah! It figures! Comparing the mineral amounts from in the game vs the website entries, the website IS COMPLTELY WRONG! Obviously somebody needs to update the website. >_< Back to the spreadsheet! ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:38:00 - [10] Another question: Does the amount shown on the BPO in the game indicate the actual amount used (including waste) or does it only show the base amount? ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Serendipity007	Posted - 2006.04.29 17:53:00 - [11] Never mind. I just crunched the numbers. The numbers from the website for BPC's are PE5, WITHOUT factoring in ME0 wastage. ___________________________________________________ "I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker!" - Scotty, Star Trek: The Original Series
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.04.29 21:29:00 - [12] Yes, the website shows the perfect mineral figures. And holy crap, people are spewing guesthematics here... If you don't even think you know the formula precisely, its pretty bad style to disinform people like that. Guessing and guessing wrong on top... Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site: (1.25 - 0.05 * Production Efficiency Skill Level) * (1 + (Base Waste Factor / (1 + Blueprint Mineral Efficiency Level)) * Base Minerals I repeat: Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
Macdeth	Posted - 2006.04.29 22:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Trak Cranker Yes, the website shows the perfect mineral figures. And holy crap, people are spewing guesthematics here... If you don't even think you know the formula precisely, its pretty bad style to disinform people like that. Guessing and guessing wrong on top... Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site: (1.25 - 0.05 * Production Efficiency Skill Level) * (1 + (Base Waste Factor / (1 + Blueprint Mineral Efficiency Level)) * Base Minerals I repeat: Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site. What's funny about that is that it's wrong - Production efficiency is only 4% per level, not 5%. My formula omitted PE because I've had lvl 5 for so long that I forget other people don't. =)
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.04.29 22:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Macdeth Originally by: Trak Cranker Yes, the website shows the perfect mineral figures. And holy crap, people are spewing guesthematics here... If you don't even think you know the formula precisely, its pretty bad style to disinform people like that. Guessing and guessing wrong on top... Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site: (1.25 - 0.05 * Production Efficiency Skill Level) * (1 + (Base Waste Factor / (1 + Blueprint Mineral Efficiency Level)) * Base Minerals I repeat: Taken from the readily available Player Guide on this site. What's funny about that is that it's wrong - Production efficiency is only 4% per level, not 5%. My formula omitted PE because I've had lvl 5 for so long that I forget other people don't. =) Ooh, and you know whats even more funny? 0.05/1.25 = 0.04 Hooray for math! Look it up. Its useful. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
Macdeth	Posted - 2006.04.29 22:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Trak Cranker Ooh, and you know whats even more funny? 0.05/1.25 = 0.04 Hooray for math! Look it up. Its useful. ****, I lose. This never happens. =)
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.04.30 00:09:00 - [16] ;) Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques

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