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Bruce Road
The Forge International Mining Corproation
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:35:00 -
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Take it how you will which I'm sure it will get quite a few side remarks as all things posted of this nature on MMO forums generally do.
After days of trying to mine I found myself completely out of isk due to the actions of one corp that found it fun to target a corp full of new players and blow them up until they were completely out of isk.
No foul comments said, no attacks on them made, no anything other than declaring war on us and repeatedly hunting us down and blowing us up every time we leave station.
I know PvP happens but hell I would at least think things would favor a new player from being stomped by vets non stop just because they can.
Nothing lost as I haven't subbed and do not plan to. They won they ran off a group of 10 new players from Eve.
I'm not angry just disappointed I never got to flesh out and try more of the game but when you can't even leave dock without being blown up because of people camping you at all hours of the day well it just isnt worth the time.
I could leave my corp but I don't think I should be forced to because someone has too much free time on their hands.
On another note losing stuff is part of the nature of this game and I accepted that before I even made my account based on what I read so the deaths are the issue much less the total inability to play.
Well I wish you all luck in Eve and hope you had/have a better time in the game than me and my friends did.
Eve is a great game too bad a few bad apples spoil the bunch in this case.
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Leon Ghekon
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:59:00 -
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Bruce Road wrote:
Much tears and crying
Its probably best because it sounds like EVE is definitely not the game for you. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1882
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:14:00 -
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you can get rid of wardecs bu dissolving your corp and forming a new one.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:27:00 -
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Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik - without even asking a question I'll take the time to post some remark since other new players might read your post and get a false impression of the game.
Yes, PvP is a large part of the game. And unless you are out there bringing PvP to others you'll often find PvP when it's being brought to you.
In such a situation, if you don't know what to do - especially as a new player - you can come here and ask for ideas.
And actually there's a lot what you could have done. I assume you were in a corp operating in high-sec that was being wardecced by some other corp. Especially as a newbie corp you could simply dissolve your corp and reform. The wardec won't carry over and since declaring war costs isk it's not unlikely that the agressing party would look for easier prey.
Or you could wait and sit it out. A wardec takes a week unless prolonged. It's likely that the agressing party would look for other targets if you and corp mates are not available.
Or do the unthinkable and fight back. Get your corp mates into cheap frigates (everyone can fly these after the tutorials) and try to bring the fight to them. Find a single target and blob him if you can. It's likely that you'll lose. But it's also likely that you'll have fun in the process, feel the adrenaline rush, get your blood pressure up.
You could have done all this and many other things. Yet you choose to come here and whine. You shouldn't be surprised when people tell you to HTFU.
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Kev Ftw
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:30:00 -
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Quote:Eve is a great game Yes
Quote:too bad a few bad apples spoil the bunch in this case. No |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
84
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:32:00 -
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Seems I made it on time:
Can I have your stuff? |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
926
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:38:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik - without even asking a question I'll take the time to post some remark since other new players might read your post and get a false impression of the game. Yes, PvP is a large part of the game. And unless you are out there bringing PvP to others you'll often find PvP when it's being brought to you. In such a situation, if you don't know what to do - especially as a new player - you can come here and ask for ideas. And actually there's a lot what you could have done. I assume you were in a corp operating in high-sec that was being wardecced by some other corp. Especially as a newbie corp you could simply dissolve your corp and reform. The wardec won't carry over and since declaring war costs isk it's not unlikely that the agressing party would look for easier prey. Or you could wait and sit it out. A wardec takes a week unless prolonged. It's likely that the agressing party would look for other targets if you and corp mates are not available. Or do the unthinkable and fight back. Get your corp mates into cheap frigates (everyone can fly these after the tutorials) and try to bring the fight to them. Find a single target and blob him if you can. It's likely that you'll lose. But it's also likely that you'll have fun in the process, feel the adrenaline rush, get your blood pressure up. You could have done all this and many other things. Yet you choose to come here and whine. You shouldn't be surprised when people tell you to HTFU.
To add to what Myriad has said, you could have moved your entire corp to a different region or to lowsec (not as scary as it sounds), or you could have looked for help. As a defender in war you can have as many allies as you want for free, and there are people out there who would gladly help you either by fighting or by teaching you to fight, you just need to find them. You could have even continued with business as usual, just with scouts and contingency plans.
EVE is a game about conflict, and what happened in your case was neither wrong nor unusual. It sounds like the only fault was your own - to give up in the face of a challenge rather than adapting and rising to the occasion. www.everevolutionaryfront.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
649
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:02:00 -
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Bruce Road wrote: ... After days of trying to mine I found myself completely out of isk due to the actions of one corp that found it fun to target a corp full of new players and blow them up until they were completely out of isk. ... I could leave my corp but I don't think I should be forced to because someone has too much free time on their hands.
If you are unwilling to hide out in an NPC corp (a deplorable practice admittedly), then what stops you from at least joining a real corp that can defend its members, or at least teach them how not to get zapped?
The fail here is common, newbs think the first order of business is to create their own (or join) a newb corp, and are surprised when a unicorn ejaculating 30-year-old scotch fails to appear in their captains quarters.
Quote: .. Eve is a great game too bad a few bad apples spoil the bunch in this case.
They add the flavor that theme park MMO's lack. Would you like to know more? |
Kronenbourg Strasbourg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:29:00 -
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Another very new player here.... The game is tough... Very tough... But I'm not going to try and sprint before I can run, and run before I can walk.
Surely common sense would have said to perhaps disband the corp to play solo for a while, until said heat had died down?
"I jumped off a wall and broke my leg" "Ouch, how did that happen?" "I thought I could make it, but the wall was too high for me to jump from without the proper training" "So, what did you do?" "I jumped off it again and broke my other leg"
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3838
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:37:00 -
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Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here.
Also.
So you expectrd hand holding, which wasnt there. So you joined a bad corp (we just got out of a wardec and our new players were having a blast in alliance chat).
And you blame it on the game and the vets...
Guess what, with EVE there is only one person you can blame...yourself.
You expected things nit there, you made wrong decisions...
In the end, the game reacts and is made by you. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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Var D'ovoli
Tempest Legion Psychotic Tendencies.
16
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:39:00 -
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LOL!!! This is funny. The thing is when the whole thing started you were probably "broke" out of isk...
If you came here looking for sympathy, you were as foolish as you were when you undocked in a mining vessel under a wardeck.
You and your friends should sub for a month and go join Red vs. Blue and see exactly how much fun pvp is. I'll bet after one month of RvB you'll forget all about wanting to mine. Can you hear the pirates song in your head? "yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me" I'll bet that you can... YARR!!!... A scalleywag ye can be
Don't quit!!!
Var |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3838
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:43:00 -
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[quote=Bruce Road
Eve is a great game too bad a few bad apples spoil the bunch in this case.
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Luckily some bad apples find out the game isnt for them and leave. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:50:00 -
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Bruce Road wrote: Eve is a great game too bad a few bad apples spoil the bunch in this case.
I'm still not sure why you are leaving.
Brush yourself off, learn from what went wrong, and get back in there !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:54:00 -
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I looked up your character name and corp and see some recent losses in Ventures and Cormorants. It's going to be very tough (impossible) for 3 week old characters in tutorial ships to win battles against the Marmite Collective.
Is there no one in your corp who has enough experience to give guidance on how to handle wardecs? Some one should have warned you not to go to Jita when there is an active wardec.
It's going to take some time to be able to win battles unless you're flying with an experienced group. In the meantime, you have to learn how to avoid fights you can't win (which may be all of them to begin with).
The main way to do this is to base your corp in lower activity space. Dotlan maps can show you where these areas are -- mostly away from Jita and 5-6 jumps from one of the other trading hubs and big pockets of low-sec.
In the unlikely event you still get a wardec you can't handle, then lay low until the wardec is over, change the corp, or move your char into an NPC corp until the wardec is over.
Once you understand the game better, have some defensive skillpoints so you can tank your ship, and enough isk saved to be able to replace a loss - then you will be ready to take on Eve.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:29:00 -
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It's probably too late, but had you all simply dropped corp and reformed under a new corp name, you could have evaded the wardec. The reason you didn't know that is that you didn't do any research. EVE takes research to play well.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3839
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:55:00 -
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Upon examination of the corp.
Sorry, not surprised this happened - Dust player as CEO makes me expect that we are talking about Dust players who want to try EVE out. No offense to Dust players, but in general the consold FPS type of gamer isnt a good match for the EVE intended audience (as always, exceptions apply). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
400
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:02:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: exceptions apply hi there eve has bacon , dust has teenagers who smell of masterbation and have all had my mother at least it got me here. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
447
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:06:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Is there no one in your corp who has enough experience to give guidance on how to handle wardecs? Mostly this.
Before joining a corp, ask them how they would handle a war-dec. If you get a blank stare, run away. (Or, alternatively, join and kill them yourself.) The first time I got wardeced, I got great advise from my CEO (e.g. put the members of that corp on your watchlist), and didn't lose a ship to that wardec. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3839
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:30:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Is there no one in your corp who has enough experience to give guidance on how to handle wardecs? Mostly this. Before joining a corp, ask them how they would handle a war-dec. If you get a blank stare, run away. (Or, alternatively, join and kill them yourself.) The first time I got wardeced, I got great advise from my CEO (e.g. put the members of that corp on your watchlist), and didn't lose a ship to that wardec.
I remember my first war.
Nobody explained what it meant. I kept undocking and losing ship after ship. After about 5 ships, the wartargets opened a convo and did explain what was happening, how I could prevent it (ergo, drop to NPC corp and search for a better corp with vets that teach you stuff) and gave me some ISK to deal with my losses.
Just last week my alliance had its first wardec and the first thing the vets did is explain to the new players what this means. How to minimize losses, how to prevent stupid mistakes and help them get better prepared for the next one.
Wardecs arent something game breaking and are far from hurting new players (they hurt new players as much as old players). The thing is you need to do your research and it greatly helps if you are in a corp with people who know what they are doing.
Just because any new player can make a corp and have other new players join him doesnt mean he should or is capable of running a corp.
Tl:dr - The effects a wardec has on you can be tracdd back to 2 simple things:
A. How does your corp's leadership deal with it. Have they got rules and counter measures, do they know what they are doing. Where is the corp located, anything close to Jita + mining = higher risk of wardec. Living in some off the beaten path system is a whole lot safer, I know corps that are many years old but hardly get wardecced because they live off the grid.
B. Hkw do you deal with it. Do you know how to prevent or minimize your risks (dropping corp, keep an eye on local, no autopilot, no jita stops, watchlists). Do you take time to research gane mechanics and the corp you joined. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Kronenbourg Strasbourg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:42:00 -
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My friend and I have only been playing for a couple of weeks and the other day he had his first destroyer and was feeling all confident, until someone challenged him to a duel and he (very stupidly) accepted... Needless to say he was not feeling so confident when 5 seconds later his ship was gone and so was his pod...
He didn't whine about it though, he hung his head in shame for the appropriate amount of time and then laughed hard about it... He's now working to get a much better ship and the skills to go with it, so that the next time someone offers a duel, he's actually ready for it.
I guess the moral I am trying to convey here is learn from your mistakes, and more importantly, keep smiling when you make them. If you can't laugh at yourself for being a major noob and doing unthinkably dumb things at times, then what can you do?! |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17202
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:49:00 -
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Newbies joining a corp run by other newbies is with, few notable exceptions, a terrible idea, it's like the blind leading the blind. A newbie CEO generally has absolutely no idea what they're doing, or how to deal with people that do know what they're doing.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
202
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:55:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik - without even asking a question I'll take the time to post some remark since other new players might read your post and get a false impression of the game. Yes, PvP is a large part of the game. And unless you are out there bringing PvP to others you'll often find PvP when it's being brought to you. In such a situation, if you don't know what to do - especially as a new player - you can come here and ask for ideas. And actually there's a lot what you could have done. I assume you were in a corp operating in high-sec that was being wardecced by some other corp. Especially as a newbie corp you could simply dissolve your corp and reform. The wardec won't carry over and since declaring war costs isk it's not unlikely that the agressing party would look for easier prey. Or you could wait and sit it out. A wardec takes a week unless prolonged. It's likely that the agressing party would look for other targets if you and corp mates are not available. Or do the unthinkable and fight back. Get your corp mates into cheap frigates (everyone can fly these after the tutorials) and try to bring the fight to them. Find a single target and blob him if you can. It's likely that you'll lose. But it's also likely that you'll have fun in the process, feel the adrenaline rush, get your blood pressure up. You could have done all this and many other things. Yet you choose to come here and whine. You shouldn't be surprised when people tell you to HTFU.
You forgot - to add that they could have asked for help - make the war dec public and ask for allies. Lots of folk like piling on looking for targets.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Isara Shiraishi
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
2
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:56:00 -
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EVE Online is a game where you basically play as a phoenix. What I mean by that is that during your early, baby-steps in the game that will be potentially nourished by the helpfulness of many individuals, the ever so-benevolent hand of the EVE University, and perhaps the Industrial Sized Knowledge guide you will always lose, die and consecutively perhaps you will delete a bunch of characters and start over, and over again until you get it just right.
You are bound to fail, and you are bound to trust the wrong people, but you are bound to rise up again until you become a proficient capsuleer. If you give up then I will not call you names, or call you weak because EVE Online isn't a game for everyone. It's not a game that is about an easy reward, it's a game where the main challenges are people, other people, immortal such as yourself fighting in New Eden and in turn being phoenixes of their own.
So, OP, I hope you will just sleep over this, take a short break and come back to New Eden eventually, when you feel ready to rise once more. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3732
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:37:00 -
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Why would you post a goodbye thread in New Citizens, but didn't post a "can someone give me guidance with this wardec situation"?
And how much isk are you really out? If you had the right attitude, I'd bet you'd have received donations and offers of assistance that would have made the losses more than worth the experience.
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17212
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:52:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Var D'ovoli
Tempest Legion Psychotic Tendencies.
17
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Why would you post a goodbye thread in New Citizens, but didn't post a "can someone give me guidance with this wardec situation"?
And how much isk are you really out? If you had the right attitude, I'd bet you'd have received donations and offers of assistance that would have made the losses more than worth the experience.
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
I have a feeling that he has already gone back to dust or probably WOW and telling everyone he runs into how horrible the EVE Folk are :P
One day he can tell his grand children a stoy around a campfire, about the time that he was mining some asteroids in space, and some very unsavory chaps came along and blew up his spaceship. He can then tell them about how lucky he was to not have been burned alive and if it hadn't been for his pod he wouldn't be there to tell the story.
His grand children will be very scared and excited and ask, "What happened next Grandpa?" He will have to say, "I quit, because I got mad."
The End... |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3732
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.
Why would marmite wardec a noobcorp? I thought they wardecced large nullsec alliances to gank nullbears in highsec.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17213
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:18:00 -
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You'd have to ask Tora to be sure, although given the OP I'd say somebody mouthed off in local and attracted their attention.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
448
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:34:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik .
J'Poll wrote:Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here. So newbies on trial accounts are not allowed to tell us why they are leaving? |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
178
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:56:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Myriad Blaze wrote:Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik .
J'Poll wrote:Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here. So newbies on trial accounts are not allowed to tell us why they are leaving? Considering this is still open the mods seem to see no problem at the moment.
But besides that:
32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel. CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.
22. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. |
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