Yup, keep believing that.
One day, they might not come back.

What I am implying it, that this is a serious nerve to wreck loot - mostly for new players who miss the skills to blitz. Blitzing is already more efficient than looting/salvaging. So once you have the skills, you won't touch wrecks anyways. The people who are hit are players who rely on salvage/looting. Miners will profit since their efficiency is compensated and the demand will less be filled by loot/salvage. So in the end, the afk-miner profits. This is not a high/low/null thing, but a general change. I don't get what positive this part of the change does. It basically rewards afk-gaming.

Oh so now High/low sec (and btw I no longer mine or produce but I know many who do) miners shouldn't rely on there own stocks they should buy there minerals from there null sec overlords. Bows to the CFC

Using maths, can you explain how to make refining in nullsec better than trivially available 100% refines in free, invulnerable NPC station in hi-sec?

So miners and re-processors shouldn't be rewarded for taking more risk?

I get a feeling part of this change is to encourage local industry in null sec blocs. What is happening right now is that there are insanely huge power blocks that have 90% of their production in high sec or are relying on imported minerals to build stuff locally. Entire Titan fleets being built with minerals that were mined in a 1.0 system while the rock fields in the systems the Titans are being built are untouched. Does that make sense? No it doesn't. As such, mineral compression as a mechanic is probably being left out very much on purpose. Just like loot reprocessing is being nerfed to **** for the same reason.

Refining is 100% and most rocks can be found in high sec in large quantities where they can be mined in near perfect safety.

Null has nothing to offer in terms of mining or processing those minerals.

We gain nothing over mining the same stuff in high sec. Why would we not mine it in high sec?

Yeah I think we get that you are super-jelly of nullsec. That's cool. (Not really.) I spend my time hanging out in hi-sec as well, so I can kinda see where you are coming from. (Again, not really.) But you gotta remember that industrialist in null have ALOT more risks than empire-dwellers. Let's just ignore the fact that being an industrialist in null is currently rather pointless (other than supercap production obviously). It's stupid, but they are still there. And even with all their scout info channels and other nullsec silliness they still have a huge risk - the fact that at anytime somebody can come along and take their POSes, their stations, and their space. All their stuff? Locked away. Never to be seen again. So yeah, they do deserve a few benefits for that risk.

Please dispense with your tin foil hat, this is not some Goon conspiracy. Being able to mine in our sov has never been a problem. Rather, the problem with mining in null sov is the inherent nightmare of logistics that's associated with carrying that ore and refining it efficiently (currently can only be done in empire).

No.

Rather it takes too much time and effort to be even remotely profitable. I can, for instance go kills rats in null anomalies in the same time that takes for me to mine, carry the ore to the empire where I can refine it efficiently and make more ISK.

And CCP has come up with a hilariously unwise 'fix' to that by choosing to capitalize on this problem by making refining a bigger time sink then it was before, equally in empire and in null.

Do you really think this will effect any serious null dweller negatively? Because your average null dweller in a good organization can make ISK more easily than pretty much anybody else, and I don't know many seasoned null dwellers that only keep a single character. Most, if not all, have an army of alts.

Then make your recruiters do their stinking jobs and get 3 day old guys in ventures out there mining that crap. 1,000 guys in Ventures have to be better than your trit-drip you see. With changes to corp members allowed you guys have plenty of free space to get them doing gruntwork and still pay them worth their time.

- it's got everything to do with mining simply not being a worthwhile task.

TL;DR: "we're privileged fucks who cannot be arsed to tap the income sources that are bread and butter for hisec residents, yet we complain about hisec being OP".

i think you should reconsider your messaging there...

This has nothing to do with mining and everything to do with manufacturing. If you're a highsec miner that wants to sell to nullsec, you will now compress the ore directly and it will get shipped to those nice shiny refineries. Thus your product is not disadvantaged at all. The buff to nullsec refining means that there's a reward, not entirely for the risk, but also for the unavoidable costs of doing manufacturing in nullsec. This change basically gives null a better stake in t1 manufacturing.

The more I think about these changes the more awesome I think they are in every way.

[quote=GreasyCarl Semah]You are adorable. Please keep posting this weird tangent.

Hint: no one should be mining highsec belts either. They also have terrible isk/hr. We in nullsec, however, are not responsible for the poor choices of those who live in fear of loss.

A leadership that forces new players to mine is far more problematic than one that doesn't.

Read back half a dozen pages or so; I've laid out why your posts are terrible and wrong.

Because even if we did, there would not be enough lowend minerals to make anything of worth. This is by design; highsec is supposed to supply the lowends; nullsec, the highends. The whole "rock size and spawn rates" was supposed to speak to this, but apparently I needed to break it down even more for the eve-o crowd.

Using the whip and enslaving all of our members to mine a pittance of ore at terrible isk/hr would not even begin to provide the minerals we need.