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Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:31:00 -
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ok i have alot of caldari skills up too BS and support skills for shields and missiles and now in the process of taking about a month to learn all things amar get BS to 4 tech 2 lazers all lazer and armor support skills too 4 that dont need 5..anyways after this is all said and done im close to either a tengu or legion witch should i go im leaning twords legion for the fact i like lazers but hear alot about how tengu is OMG amazing.....does it matter witch path i go both look like competly good ships? |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:51:00 -
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The Tengu will win hands down on performance in PvE. You can't compete with the sheer tank and damage projection, not to mention the option to go completely passive for those heavy neut encounters.
Legion however isn't bad, and if you prefer lasers/armour tanking by all means, go for it, it'll get the job done, just not as efficiently, and won't be able to handle as much solo as the Tengu.
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Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:54:00 -
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by not as much solo like what im still new and havent left hisec yet so id prolly use it for lv 4s to start and go from there
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Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:09:00 -
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Pretty much any T3 can get the job done, whatever you're planning to do. For PVE, the tengu will generally be the "best", but if you like Amarr ships, go for it. Hell, my PVE Loki can afk level 4 missions.
The strength of T3's are their versatility. Fly the one you like, and I guarantee it can be configured to do most things you may want to do. |
Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:44:00 -
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Tengu is better for lvl4, but it doesn't mean it's better for all kind of pve. Legion is a lot better than Tengu in Incursions, for instance, and in exploration/WH sometimes. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:05:00 -
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Alsyth wrote:Tengu is better for lvl4, but it doesn't mean it's better for all kind of pve. Legion is a lot better than Tengu in Incursions, for instance, and in exploration/WH sometimes.
ahh ok ty
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:55:00 -
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Legion
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 06:19:00 -
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Just throwing it out there, if you have lasers trained up, a nightmare is a hella fast mission runner |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.11.14 06:36:00 -
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Legion is jusy so better looking than a tengu
Don't listen to the posters above , you should go for beauty and pick a legion
Serious indeed a tengu is king of pve among the t3 cruisers , but the others aren't bad they can speed tank just aswell only their range at which they can project that dameage is much shorter i can go up to 45 k with a legion with scorch
So it means you will be using different tactics in pve with a legion in pve and vs guristas and angels you might find the legion a bit meh
overall i find the legion much more fun to fly than a tengu and so much more sexy looking than a tengu which looks more like a flying brick in space but if you want a easy mission runner that can handle everything equal a tenngu yes
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 07:09:00 -
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Legion cant match tengu's dps and thats where the problem is for using it for level 4, even before considering the fact that it has less range and has to deal with tracking and such. For other purposes such as exploration and whatever i would say that legion could be viable as well but for l4 it really cant compare favourably to tengu whichever way you look at it |
Elistea
Seedless Inc
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.14 09:50:00 -
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Putting aside that Legion is absolutely amazing looking ship its worse almost in every aspect.
Its slower, less range, plated has no agility at all and less versatile in general.
Only place where Legion>Tengu is in Incursions.
Makes me very sad since i love my Legion... |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:43:00 -
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EFT warriors will tell you the Legion sucks and that it is mandatory to use a tengu for lvl 4 missions
but i tell you Forget those EFT stats and fly something that is fun and good looking
completing your missions will be slower but you will be able to do finish in a good time and with more fun
Just watch out for those Tackler frigates they are bloody murder for every T3 cruiser
a legion can speedtank just aswell as a tengu , with a tracking computer you have little or no tracking prblems when using MF crystals
You can fit a webber to kill of those tackling frigates very fast and your scorch crystals will be cheaper than buying alot of expensive t2 heavy missiles every few missions
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.14 15:27:00 -
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wow when i made this post didnt expect the sheer debate on this i come from flying caldari in a SNI now moving to Amarr the thought of armor and lazers just sounded awesome anyways ill think on it more since once i have my amarr i have an exact same train time for either....did wanna get in to incursions and didnt think my abaddon could handle cause i heard there a weight limit or something....may use him for lv 4s and pick up a legion for incursions heck might just the hell and get both idk guess its the perk of a skill progression system i can eventually do it all lol |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.14 15:28:00 -
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Ryzen Daxx wrote:wow when i made this post didnt expect the sheer debate on this i come from flying caldari in a SNI now moving to Amarr the thought of armor and lazers just sounded awesome anyways ill think on it more since once i have my amarr skills up to par. i have an exact same train time for either....did wanna get in to incursions and didnt think my abaddon could handle cause i heard there a weight limit or something....may use him for lv 4s and pick up a legion for incursions heck might just the hell and get both idk guess its the perk of a skill progression system i can eventually do it all lol
lol well heck went to edit a typo and quoted my self LOL |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness
EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:35:00 -
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Legion will outdamage the Tengu when it comes to attacking Sansha or Blood rats. Part of the Tengu's Offensive Sub is that it adds to kinetic damage which those rats block.
Also, for exploration purposes, those missiles will run out fast and if you're hauling other subsystems along...well...That's maybe 8000 or less missiles. Then you need to make room for loot. Legion is superior to all other T3s in this thought.
How may I drug you with drugs? |
BearJews
The Activity
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:42:00 -
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Legion is ******* awesome. All these people who cry "nerf tengu" and only train for tengu just don't play eve. Yes tengu is king of lvl4s when it comes to t3s and completion time, but it doesn't mean the legion sucks ass. It can do lvl 4s fine as well, just not on easy mode like the tengu. INcursions are where legions **** rape and it takes no effort at all to get in a fleet. And they are great in wormholes as well. Plus the 100mn ham legion is sweet as well.
Yes tengu is freaken great when it comes to all around pve, but it's not nearly the best in each category, not even close. |
Firelord Ozai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:11:00 -
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Don't believe anything really needs nerf'd but I do think legion would be cool if it had something unique to it that now other cruiser level ship have and that is an 8th low. That would compensate for alot of weakness that people currently are complaining about. But who knows, thats just me |
Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:04:00 -
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Firelord Ozai wrote:Don't believe anything really needs nerf'd but I do think legion would be cool if it had something unique to it that no other cruiser level ship has and that is an 8th low. That would compensate for alot of weakness that people currently are complaining about. But who knows, thats just me
Legion is already not bad with 6 lows only. Perhaps tweak a subsystem (or add a new one) making it able to have 7 lows (like the Proteus), but definitly not 8.
Tengu is really tight on fitting, the only substystem giving 6 lauchers gives no grid at all, you can't have 6 lauchers, a decent tank and a MWD without losing many slots to PG rigs/mods. And it's a shield tanked, missile using, rather slow ship, which makes it rather bad in pvp.
With the only exception of the 100MN AB fit (which shouldn't exist imo), that's enough of a nerf in pvp to make it balanced, while letting it shine in some kind of pve (but not ALL of pve : think WH, exploration or Incursions, and you have Legion > Tengu in most situations).
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2011.11.22 16:34:00 -
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Ryzen Daxx wrote:by not as much solo like what im still new and havent left hisec yet so id prolly use it for lv 4s to start and go from there
i can tank full room aggro in an L4 and still put out 680dps (iirc, though with implants), if you pulse your AB or MWD it makes avoiding BS fire extremely easy, and Legion is perfect for amarr missions, though tengu will do well in them as well.
what i use:
[Legion, Legion: L4 Stomper]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/53220-Legion-L4-Stomper.html#ixzz1eS8gf88S |
Capn Orgasmo
The Stampede.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:01:00 -
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For incursions it take a legion any day of the week over a Tengu.
For lvl 4s and WH the obvious choice is tengu. |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:20:00 -
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Pookoko wrote:Legion cant match tengu's dps and thats where the problem is for using it for level 4, even before considering the fact that it has less range and has to deal with tracking and such.
1st Part: Completely not true, Legion will easily get more DPS than a Tengu anyday of the week
2nd Part: This is true (sadly) Legion's pulse range is pretty meh, luckily it's not terribly slow
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:49:00 -
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While I can imagin, that L4 with Legion might be fun as it is much less static then with a BS ... I would not recomend to use one.
Amarr as a great setup of BS for L4s.
- Geddon when you encounter anything else then Sansha&Blood as you can compensate your Kin/Exp damage with the right drones. In addition the Geddon dishes out IMENS damage (even more then NavGed).
- (Nav)Apoc when your energy skills aren't at 5 (and if you want to use PULSE at 100++km optimal *g*)
- Abbadon is great to even when I had allways energy/fitting problems with this block-in-space
And all of them cost MUCH less ISK then a Legion which can handle L4s AND you can insure them ;).
So if something goes wrong (which can happen), it doesn't hurt so hard.
PS: yes, I saw the topic ... but as I said, Amarr has 3 great BS for L4s. There is simply no need to try a Legion for this job. |
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