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Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:37:00 -
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here is what i came up with......
[Abaddon LV4s]
[High]
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
Mega Pulse Lazer ll......................Scorch L/ mutlifrequency (faction)
[Mid]
Tracking Comp ll...................Opt range
Tracking Comp ll...................Tracking speed
Heavy Cap Booster ll ............Cap booster 800
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
[Low]
ENAM ll
Armor Hardener ll (change for mission needs)
Armor Hardener ll (change for mission needs)
Damage Control Unit ll
Imperial Navy Large Armor Rep
Heat Sink ll
Heat Sink ll
[Rigs]
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation ll
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation ll
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump l
ok here it is what do u guys think....btw all skill are 4 except what has to be 5 ill proceed to making more 5s once im flying this tight fight almost no room to breath on cpu or powergrid but no implants needed to fly =D |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:50:00 -
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IF i use the 2 blank hardeners to plug my armor resist holes...i get a nice resist of
80.6% Explosive
81.8% Kinetic
and the EANM carrys my other 2 resists for random extra dmg
74.2% EM
66.4% Therm
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:59:00 -
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Drop dc for 3rd heatsink, drop web for 3rd TC, all range scripted. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
75
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Posted - 2011.11.13 06:39:00 -
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Fit advice so far is good. General EFT advice:
Click the ship icon on the fitting screen. Drop down to copy fit to clipboard. Paste that output rather than typing it out.
Copy a fit in that format. Click on your EFT window. It automagically imports. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:04:00 -
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oo ty for the EFT advice =D
[Abaddon, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
there that look more viable...though not having a DCU is kinda scary lol |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:06:00 -
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im kinda what kind of firing range imma have with this set up cant test it for about a month any ideas from u guys?
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Teh Frog
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:10:00 -
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Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have
Wat |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:24:00 -
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Teh Frog wrote:Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have
Wat
i mean EFT doesnt show what kind of optimal or fall off range imma have when in this setup........just curious what kinda range imma be lookin at like 30km 40km ect
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
88
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:34:00 -
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Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have with this set up cant test it for about a month any ideas from u guys?
firing scorch, 64km optimal + 19 falloff
with multifreq, 21km optimal + 19 falloff |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:38:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have with this set up cant test it for about a month any ideas from u guys?
firing scorch, 64km optimal + 19 falloff with multifreq, 21km optimal + 19 falloff
wait wait im confused my buddy plays minmatar AC he says fight in falloff that opt is not viable most the time so in lazers case i have to be atleast 19km away to hit right?
or do i just add the fall off to the optimal in this case? |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:49:00 -
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ok was over cpu Limit with that 3rd heat sink played around abit and found a cheap fix
[Abaddon, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:24:00 -
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> or do i just add the fall off to the optimal in this case?
huh. yes. speaking optimal and falloff, autocannons and lasers are much opposites to each others. The former have little optimal but excellent falloff while lasers got excellent optimal but little falloff. That's why he said to fight in falloff. He was thinking with AC, not lasers.
Falloff goes beyond falloff.
> actually heres a noob question i always wondered does the color of the lens cap effect the color of the lazer?
Not sure what you mean exactly by "cap" but the colour of the laser do match the colour of the crystal. Gamma is blue therefor blue laser. Scorch is purple and so the laser is purple and so on. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 14:07:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have with this set up cant test it for about a month any ideas from u guys?
firing scorch, 64km optimal + 19 falloff with multifreq, 21km optimal + 19 falloff
soooo if i understand correct using scorch L ill have an effective range of 80ish KM.........wow that is almost as good as cruise missiles |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 14:17:00 -
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Sphit Ker wrote:> or do i just add the fall off to the optimal in this case?
huh. yes. speaking optimal and falloff, autocannons and lasers are much opposites to each others. The former have little optimal but excellent falloff while lasers got excellent optimal but little falloff. That's why he said to fight in falloff. He was thinking with AC, not lasers.
Falloff goes beyond falloff.
> actually heres a noob question i always wondered does the color of the lens cap effect the color of the lazer?
Not sure what you mean exactly by "cap" but the colour of the laser do match the colour of the crystal. Gamma is blue therefor blue laser. Scorch is purple and so the laser is purple and so on.
then here is a question. i kno my friend doesnt have this kind of range with his AC if that is the case and im not missing something is there i min distance i have to worry or is that for rails siege and beams? and what makin everyone scream so much about AC in pvp? |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:46:00 -
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Since you seem to know very little why are you in a BS????????
Also, in EFT click on gun and "charge info" to see opt and falloff.. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:03:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Since you seem to know very little why are you in a BS????????
Also, in EFT click on gun and "charge info" to see opt and falloff..
i have been caldari since start im moving to amarr thats why im trying to learn everything i can now...missiles dont have to worry bout falloff and opt range |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:12:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Since you seem to know very little why are you in a BS????????
Also, in EFT click on gun and "charge info" to see opt and falloff..
just tried that and just gives what the tool tip says nothing more i was asking for general range numbers u get from these ammo that EFT doesnt show but ty for the response anyways |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:30:00 -
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There is Optimal and there is Falloff......what are 'general range numbers?' |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:11:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Ryzen Daxx wrote:im kinda what kind of firing range imma have with this set up cant test it for about a month any ideas from u guys?
firing scorch, 64km optimal + 19 falloff with multifreq, 21km optimal + 19 falloff
what Mfume posted was what i was lookin for his general range he gets with his set up... |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
2
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:13:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:There is Optimal and there is Falloff......what are 'general range numbers?'
all i see in the EFT that u pointed out is scorch increases by 50%...fine but that not accounting for skills other mods ect i was askin seeing as i have never got to fire a lazer yet and cant for another month what was the range ppl were loon at with there setups |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
139
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:47:00 -
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Target within optimal range = You will hit them for full DPS (minus tracking/sig penalties/dice rolls)
Target within optimal + falloff = You will hit them for 50-100% of your DPS (minus tracking/sigpenalties/dicerolls)
Target within optimal + (falloff*2) = You will hit them for 0-50% of your DPS (minus tracking/sigpenalties/dicerolls)
So you will do the most damage against a target who is at the edge of your optimal, as you're not losing any DPS to range, and are losing the least possible DPS to tracking. Once they exit your optimal, you start losing DPS to range, until falloff, where they'll only be taking around half damage, and then beyond falloff, it drops off further, until falloff*2 where you won't do any damage. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
2
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:03:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Target within optimal range = You will hit them for full DPS (minus tracking/sig penalties/dice rolls)
Target within optimal + falloff = You will hit them for 50-100% of your DPS (minus tracking/sigpenalties/dicerolls)
Target within optimal + (falloff*2) = You will hit them for 0-50% of your DPS (minus tracking/sigpenalties/dicerolls)
So you will do the most damage against a target who is at the edge of your optimal, as you're not losing any DPS to range, and are losing the least possible DPS to tracking. Once they exit your optimal, you start losing DPS to range, until falloff, where they'll only be taking around half damage, and then beyond falloff, it drops off further, until falloff*2 where you won't do any damage.
ok ty for that info but what about minimal range or does that not matter
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
91
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:21:00 -
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Ryzen Daxx wrote:Orlacc wrote:There is Optimal and there is Falloff......what are 'general range numbers?' all i see in the EFT that u pointed out is scorch increases by 50%...fine but that not accounting for skills other mods ect i was askin seeing as i have never got to fire a lazer yet and cant for another month what was the range ppl were looking at with there setups
Just so you're aware, those ranges I quoted were with perfect gunnery skills.
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Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:34:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Ryzen Daxx wrote:Orlacc wrote:There is Optimal and there is Falloff......what are 'general range numbers?' all i see in the EFT that u pointed out is scorch increases by 50%...fine but that not accounting for skills other mods ect i was askin seeing as i have never got to fire a lazer yet and cant for another month what was the range ppl were looking at with there setups Just so you're aware, those ranges I quoted were with perfect gunnery skills.
yea i thought so ill get those eventually so not too worried but ty =D
again |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.11.13 22:52:00 -
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There is no such thing as minimal range to hit what you are looking for is dps graph with tracking taken into consideration look at the dps graph in eft and play with transversal |
Arch Ange1
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 12:37:00 -
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Are you sure EFT doesn't show firing range? If you have the ammo loaded on your guns, then it must show.
Also your aim will be to finish missions faster. Abaddon with pulse lasers is awesome if you are skilled enough. You won't be cap stable and that will be problematic when you are new to amarr and you are still adjusting to this cap thingy. And as you have noted, range with multi's in your abaddon is around 20-30km. Thats not good for a starter. If you haven't considered it, beam apoc will be a great starter ship as it has great range and cap stable.
Like i said, your aim is to finish missions faster. While scorch will do the job, most npc's orbit at 40-50kms and having a optimal at that range with multi's will help you a lot. For a beginner, apoc is the only ship that can do that with being cap stable.
Once you are comfortable with amarr missions and cap skills, then switch over to mega pulse apoc and then pulse abaddon if you are still into it.
p.s: On your doubt on auto cannons, they have much faster RoF and dps at that range compared to lasers and they can do all damage types while lasers are limited to em/therm.
Hope this helps. |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
2
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:18:00 -
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ty u all for ur feed back ill take it in to advisement =D
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Froz3nEcho Sarain
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
138
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:01:00 -
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My advice is that you give at a couple of practice runs with lvl 3 missions. The lack of knowledge you are showing me right now might be the cause you to lose your ship on the very first mission if it is a hard one.
~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~
-á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
Ryzen Daxx
Mistress Minersha's Minmatar Maidens
2
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:07:00 -
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Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:My advice is that you give at a couple of practice runs with lvl 3 missions. The lack of knowledge you are showing me right now might be the cause you to lose your ship on the very first mission if it is a hard one.
yea thats good point ill do that...did the same when i move to a BS for the first hell same for a BC and cruiser tried em out in the previous tier of missions but glad to kno im not olny one that does that =D
and yes thats was why im askin now to avoid that situation...ty |
JackStraw56
Bayesian Motion
Knights of Tomorrow
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:30:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Since you seem to know very little why are you in a BS????????
Also, in EFT click on gun and "charge info" to see opt and falloff..
Also, in EFT, there is an entire friekin column showing optimal + falloff that requires no right clicking |
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