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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:40:00 -
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So basically you think there-¦s no strategic posting on this forum, and especially not from people who have lately been coming under quite a bit of criticism for their behavior.
That would be quite surprising coming from this part of its community which prides itself on his skills in deception, lies and manipulation, don-¦t you think? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
731
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:45:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:So basically you think there-¦s no strategic posting on this forum, and especially not from people who have lately been coming under quite a bit of criticism for their behavior.
That would be quite surprising in a game whose part of its community prides itself on his skills in deception, lies and manipulation, don-¦t you think? I didn't write that, but nor do I believe every single thread is part of the meta-game. They can simply be a statement of facts.
In a different thread, your responses, while still on an extreme side, might be in total context, relevant and part of the meta game.
Here, they are just unnecessary in my view (but my view is no more correct than anyone else's). This isn't a thread about gankers v. gankees. It's unfortunate that the good message it contained to begin with has been twisted into something it doesn't ever appear to have been. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:51:00 -
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Is it a good message to begin with if it-¦s a blatant and strategic lie? This charity event doesn-¦t need this forum post to be successful. The factual aim of the OP is, through thanking CCP for this event, to make New Order dudes appear as do-gooders, and inversely, not-so-stealthily portray those who criticize them as horrible people.
Scamming/awoxing and various kinds of ingame accepted behavior rely solely on corrupt communication and metagame manipulation. Why would a thread originating from people who love those activities, not be a case of corrupt communication as well?
I have no proof one way or the other, only strong suspicions, given the amount of toxicity this part of the community has been pouring into this game over the years. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17281
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:53:00 -
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^^+1 You were far more polite than I would have been.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
731
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:58:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:I have no proof one way or the other, only strong suspicions, given the amount of toxicity this part of the community has been pouring into this game over the years. Along the same lines I wrote before, in this thread I believe that the only toxic component has been your posts.
The thread wasn't a thread about the charity as such. It was a story about how CCP and the EvE Community contributes something good to society. Fanfest will have a full mix of members of the community and the charity dinner is something that all of us with active accounts, whether we are at Fanfest or not, can be positive about.
The charity dinner and it's outcome wouldn't be possible without all of us collectively. That the OP has personal experience with the particular charity chosen by CCP this year was a way for him to express his gratitude; and it was done so in a classy way.
Even despite the vitriole you've bought to this thread, you're as much apart of the good that comes of it as anyone who plays EvE. As is the OP. This thread was as much a thank you to you as anyone, but you chose to see it differently. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:05:00 -
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Actually, if you read it carefully, it focuses more on OP-¦s supposed RL activity as a nurse in a hospital (charity one, moreover), and his tears of gratitude, than the event itself.
But that may be because I have strong suspicions this is strategic posting and corrupt communication to portray New Order members in a good light, when they-¦ve been coming under voiced criticism lately.
The basic rule in EvE is not to trust anyone and be paranoid. My questioning is a pure product of the community that has embraced deception, metagame and emotional manipulation as a playstyle.
Are you blaming me for that? |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2710
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:05:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Is it a good message to begin with if it-¦s a blatant and strategic lie? This charity event doesn-¦t need this forum post to be successful. The factual aim of the OP is, through thanking CCP for this event, to make New Order dudes appear as do-gooders, and inversely, not-so-stealthily portray those who criticize them as horrible people.
Scamming/awoxing and various kinds of ingame accepted behavior rely solely on corrupt communication and metagame, emotional manipulation. Why would a thread originating from people who love those activities, not be a case of corrupt communication as well?
I have no proof one way or the other, only strong suspicions, given the amount of toxicity this part of the community has been pouring into this game over the years.
What you're actually seeing here is an actual line drawn between reality and fiction by people who aren't dissociative by nature. What you are demonstrating is a failure to disconnect reality from fiction. What you are demonstrating is your own bitterness, jealousy, and cynicism.
You could learn a thing or two from the people in this thread that you 'hate' so much. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
731
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:14:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:But that may be because I have strong suspicions this is strategic posting and corrupt communication to portray New Order members in a good light, when they-¦ve been coming under voiced criticism lately.
The basic rule in EvE is not to trust anyone and be paranoid. Every group and playstyle comes under criticism in this game and has been for years. It's not a recent thing.
Miners have been heavily criticized in recent threads too, gankers have more petitions against them than anyone else in the game, Goons (no need to elaborate more), scammers, bots, anyone who thinks the game reflects RL, anyone who thinks the game doesn't reflect RL, the list is endless...
You're abviously entitled to your views just as anyone else is. Views however don't always have to be expressed.
In the end I would hope that you agree with the message of the OP - thanks CCP, thanks the community and this is a great community to be part of.
If you do agree with that, then there is no need to destroy that message with attacks against the OP. It is possible for people who disagree about their play style to still have common ground.
Based on recent history of the forum, the next thread about gankers will be along any minute now, so if it's possible to let the message of this thread stand, you'll be able to let fly soon enough.
Quote:Are you blaming me for that? No, definitely not. Your view is your view and you are entitled to it.
I just don't think this thread is the place to express it. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:16:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: What you're actually seeing here is an actual line drawn between reality and fiction by people who aren't dissociative by nature. What you are demonstrating is a failure to disconnect reality from fiction. What you are demonstrating is your own bitterness, jealousy, and cynicism.
So we are to believe that people whose express purpose when they log in is to make random gamers mad IRL, and relish the idea of their own RL self (not their character) having been the cause of said random gamers-¦ rage, would dissociate game and reality in their forum postings, when they cannot do it ingame?
That-¦s hilarious, and a troll thread. There are hardly words to describe your ways. Pretending to be upstanding people, and riding on a charity event press, so as to whitewash yourselves... i guess that-¦s what happens when you give anonymity to manipulative and deceitful individuals. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2710
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:26:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:So we are to believe that people whose express purpose when they log in is to make random gamers mad IRL,
You are making an assumption about their purpose. But let's pretend for a moment that is the purpose of all the people you hate - they are still getting their elation from a game. A PVP game, at that, which you choose to participate in of your own free will, knowing what can and will happen. They aren't actually causing you any harm, though, and the reason why your tears are so amusing isn't because it is a sign that you are hurt, it is because they are pointless. What are you really complaining about when your pixels explode? The time you spent assembling them? Oh, you mean the time you WASTED playing a video game in the first place? Seriously, if you think your time spent saving up for that Hulk was worth something, that's what we find amusing.
Quote:That-¦s hilarious, and a troll thread. There are hardly words to describe your ways. Pretending to be upstanding people, and riding on a charity event press, so as to whitewash yourselves... i guess that-¦s what happens when you give anonymity to manipulative and deceitful individuals.
There's nothing to whitewash. No harm has been caused but that which you cause to yourself by taking the game too seriously. The real irony is that you're taking the wrong thing seriously, when what you seriously need to do is ask yourself next time you shoot a cluster of pixels in the head what kind of person that makes you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17282
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:32:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:So we are to believe that people whose express purpose when they log in is to make random gamers mad IRL, and relish the idea of their own RL self (not their character) having been the cause of said random gamers-¦ rage, would dissociate game and reality in their forum postings, when they cannot do it ingame?
That-¦s hilarious, and a troll thread. There are hardly words to describe your ways. Pretending to be upstanding people, and riding on a charity event press, so as to whitewash yourselves... i guess that-¦s what happens when you give anonymity to manipulative and deceitful individuals.
Reported, despite numerous attempts by various people urging you to show reason, you continue to attempt to derail this thread.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
236
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:33:00 -
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o7
that is very nice to read |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
732
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:34:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I was looking into Fanfest this year, and I noticed the Charity dinner is in benefit of Get Well Gamers. GWG is a charity that donates video games, and game systems to children's hospitals.
I'm a nurse who works for a children's hospital, who has received video game systems from GWG. It doesn't seem like a lot to me and you, but those video games mean the world to the kids on my ward. Some of them have extremely painful, awful medical conditions that no kid should face. Some are terminal, and don't have long for this world. The treatments they face are sometimes worse than the disease itself. Just being able to sit down with "my" kids, forget everything, and just play Mario Kart for a few hours means a lot.
We're a charity hospital. There's no way we could budget for those games. Most of the families there have no way to budget a luxury like a PS3. Healthcare is expensive, and pediatrics even more so.
I sent CCP a personal thank you, and now I'd like to thank the community. Sure, we're a bunch of dysfunctional, arguing neckbeards (and neckbeardettes), but damnit, we can do some good in the world.
Thank you again CCP, and thanks, EVE players. You've got an old nurse in tears over this, and I'm proud to say I'm a member of the EVE community. Not empty quoting.
Just hoping the thread gets back to this issue and not others that can be saved for other threads. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:40:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mandarine wrote:So we are to believe that people whose express purpose when they log in is to make random gamers mad IRL, and relish the idea of their own RL self (not their character) having been the cause of said random gamers-¦ rage, would dissociate game and reality in their forum postings, when they cannot do it ingame?
That-¦s hilarious, and a troll thread. There are hardly words to describe your ways. Pretending to be upstanding people, and riding on a charity event press, so as to whitewash yourselves... i guess that-¦s what happens when you give anonymity to manipulative and deceitful individuals. Reported, despite numerous attempts by various people urging you to show reason and drop the trolling, you continue in your attempts to derail this thread.
There we are, as I suspected. I guess the real purpose of this thread was to lure some critic of the ganker community and accuse him of trolling, when he would only be quite sceptical, and for good reasons, of OP-¦s honesty?
I-¦ve only been responding to your insults for a couple pages now. I said what I had in mind in my first message. If you think this is a troll, or tinfoil hattery, why do you even continue arguing? |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1385
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Posted - 2014.03.22 12:00:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mandarine wrote:So we are to believe that people whose express purpose when they log in is to make random gamers mad IRL, and relish the idea of their own RL self (not their character) having been the cause of said random gamers-¦ rage, would dissociate game and reality in their forum postings, when they cannot do it ingame?
That-¦s hilarious, and a troll thread. There are hardly words to describe your ways. Pretending to be upstanding people, and riding on a charity event press, so as to whitewash yourselves... i guess that-¦s what happens when you give anonymity to manipulative and deceitful individuals. Reported, despite numerous attempts by various people urging you to show reason and drop the trolling, you continue in your attempts to derail this thread. There we are, as I suspected. I guess the real purpose of this thread was to lure some critic of the ganker community and accuse him of trolling, when he would only be quite sceptical, and for good reasons, of OP-¦s honesty? I-¦ve only been responding to your insults for a couple pages now. I said what I had in mind in my first message. If you think this is a troll, or tinfoil hattery, why do you even continue arguing?
He has you blocked so he cannot read your drivel. And after this reply, neither will I.
As a rancorous troll you succeeded. Hope you're happy now. |

Emiko P'eng
64
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:51:00 -
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To the Original Poster o7
To a couple of the other posters in this thread
Sometimes the Truth is the best form of 'Meta-Game' not everything is lies and fabrication! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3306
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:56:00 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:To the Original Poster o7
To a couple of the other posters in this thread
Sometimes the Truth is the best form of 'Meta-Game' not everything is lies and fabrication!
A thief will always be able to believe that another man will steal. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2716
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:29:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:
Anyone reading our exchanges will be able to see for oneself who is the vindicative and rancid poster, who doesn-¦t mind lying outright to further his agenda.
You're quite right.
Given that this started as a community appreciation thread, which you've come to fling your trollpoop at because of your own agenda against the 'big meanie gankers' in the game; because of your own paranoia and subsequent unwillingness to believe that people you don't like are actually good people; because you can't handle the fact that it is YOU with the attitude problem, and it has been all along. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
309
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:34:00 -
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I actually expected this to be a troll thread when I first saw it.
Now that curiosity has gotten the better of me, I'm not regretting clicking on the link.
FaithInHumanity == FaithInHumanity++
That is all. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:31:00 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:To the Original Poster o7
To a couple of the other posters in this thread
Sometimes the Truth is the best form of 'Meta-Game' not everything is lies and fabrication!
But then again, checking Lady Areola Fappington-¦s posting history, we can see a pattern: Apart from some posts about technical issues or fits, the vast majority is dedicated to:
- Casually dropping every couple posts that she-¦s a nurse and a disabled combat medic veteran, helping kids suffering from leukemia. Pretty much the most awesome person you could think of! - Flinging sarcasms at people criticizing griefers, and suggesting they suffer from mental healths problems for not being able to separate RL and ingame happenings. - She also mentioned two times having been verbally harassed through phone calls, because of her ingame activities. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3598044#post3598044 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3598600#post3598600 Another poster wrote a similar story last week, about having got a photo of his house in his email. A paranoid mind might imagine those are made-up stories aiming at defaming people who criticize griefers-¦ activities.
She presents herself as a woman, even though her writing style is purely masculine. Points out she-¦s a biological woman, but then recently says she-¦s trans: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4119996#post4119996
Okay, maybe she-¦s transitioning towards male gender, why not?
She has a husband who does not play EvE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3039578#post3039578
But then, her husband is a she : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3485295#post3485295
And then again, sometimes he/she was of unknown gender, but played EvE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3696887#post3696887 ("Way back when, me and my counterpart were both EVE players". suggest said counterpart is still significant other)
Ha, but I must be a horrible person for suggesting this person is a forum creation with a clear meta behind it. Look at those appeals to emotion, aren-¦t you moved? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4026719#post4026719 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4039087#post4039087
She however might be a little mischievous, getting people banned and tear collection is kinda her thing! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2932675#post2932675 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3055116#post3055116
Put it all together in a basket of suspicions and you get a nice case of metagaming / forum manipulation, the goal of which I have explained for the last few pages.
It-¦s extremely frightening that somebody goes the trouble of impersonating a angelic RL person to whitewash ingame sadistic endeavors and play a low-key smear campaign on forum users criticizing griefers enjoyment (which clearly shows a confusion between their repressed RL sadism and their ingame activities).
I have never witnessed this much toxicity in any online community. Kudos. |

Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2746
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:34:00 -
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dear lord you're a stalker |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:43:00 -
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I am alright at smelling lies and manipulation |

Mag's
the united SCUM.
16869
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:19:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:I am alright at trolling and being a tool FYP
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5119
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:25:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Mandarine wrote:I am alright at trolling and being a tool FYP
This is the truth. Am i the only one getting insane EVEmaisl from this guy? |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:28:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: This is the truth. Am i the only one getting insane EVEmaisl from this guy?
Is it insane to suspect that this thread is ganker-generated social engineering through emotional manipulation, and that some of you fine people are in on the project?
As for the proofs of it, check previous page(s)
I-¦d rather keep thread cleans, so a short mail is the best form of communication to vent. Here-¦s what I sent you: "I rarely saw people use methods so frontally despicable to try and save face", in reference to my hunch of this thread being manipulation. Your response was not quite polite I must say. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
760
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:40:00 -
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Insane? I don't know.
What I do know is that at this point, the only really sane thing is for an ISD to come in and clean the thread up to remove this personal stuff. It doesn't have a place here. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:42:00 -
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How is this personal if this info is all fabricated? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
760
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:43:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:How is this personal if this info is all fabricated? When you address issues to a specific person, it's personal, whether it's fabricated it or not. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5120
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:43:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: This is the truth. Am i the only one getting insane EVEmaisl from this guy?
Is it insane to suspect that this thread is ganker-generated social engineering through emotional manipulation, and that some of you fine people are in on the project? As for the proofs of Lady O being a fabricated RL character, check previous page I-¦d rather keep thread cleans, so a short mail is the best form of communication to vent. Here-¦s what I sent you: "I rarely saw people use methods so frontally despicable to try and save face", in reference to my hunch of this thread being manipulation. Your response was not quite polite I must say.
My response was the truth. You need actual, real life mental health intervention. |

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:45:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mandarine wrote:How is this personal if this info is all fabricated? When you address issues to a specific person, it's personal, whether you have fabricated it or not.
But this poster has fabricated this forum persona, for the aforementioned purposes, Not I, the fabrication is his. See? |
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