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Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.30 17:51:00 - [1] Well now, seems there is a new trend in eve. Some people just cannot stop griefing other players. Used to be lag out jump in points and gank them before they load, now its gank them in high security. Yea thats right. I got nailed today, corp wallet went from half a billion to zero in ten seconds in a .9 security system. Lets get somthing strait flamers and pvpers everywhere, im only 50% carebear, often times you can find me up around Jan with some corp mates PvPing or killing anything we think we can by with. Im not a idiot either, nor am I greedy. I trade always for my and my corps ISK and it is normal for me to stop in a busy system if I am going low sec and hire anyone to scout ahead of me in a shuttle. I play the game the way its supposed to be played, exploring my options and acting on them to take every precaution available. Now two days ago a gank was attempted on me in a .9. I survived and I thought to myself, what can I do to protect myself and my cargo from this. Scouting is not a option because you have no idea who it is that will attempt it on you, and in busy systems there is always five or six people at a gate. Tougher ship is not a option because there is no cargo room. Gunships obviously are not help because ive already got the best gunships and in huge numbers protecting me (its nice to be on concords side) Insta's dont help me from the jump in point untill I warp so thats out (not like I can get a insta for every station in every system anyway). So I armor tank when I have pricy stuff and cross my fingers. Well, needless to say it didnt help. two torpedoes still left me in a pod (my entire can blew up btw, no loot atall) and the ravens can sitting 17k away from me. Okay, so now I got blown up. A simple search of who did it and ofcourse she is in a NPC corp. Ive got kill rights, I suppose that before the rights expire I might run into this person agian. And with anymore luck I will not be in a indy, although this is unlikely as like I said I am a trader. Chances are she will be in a bs as she can afford to throw them away like toilet paper. I will be sure to engage and seek my revenge. I decide to petition it, as this player is using the high security to protect themselves and give themselves a unfair advantage. Typical CCP responses, its all your fault, they didnt do anything wrong etc. This I have heard before, numorous times since release. A new trend in exploitation rises up, gets popular and then a new expansion comes with a fix for it. Untill then its screw everyone that gets exploited hurray for the griefers. Flame away. I know its coming. But I feel slightly better now that I have vented for 10 minutes typing this out. I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Deadeye Dave	Posted - 2006.04.30 17:54:00 - [2] What exactly did you lose?
Speed Devil	Posted - 2006.04.30 17:58:00 - [3] haha pwnd ________________________________________ YARRR!!! Death to all carebears!
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.04.30 17:59:00 - [4] You were in HIGH secutiry space, not TOTAL security space. There is no rule in eve that defines aggression in high sec space as an exploit so your petition will more and likely end up nowhere. Your only safe in this game while docked. End of Transmission. "EC", Adeptus Gattacus
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:10:00 - [5] well, it was your fault, so CCP were exactly right in saying that was the reason they shouldn't intervene. As for the killer, he wasn't a griefer: you said yourself that you were carrying 500mil of loot - thats what the raven pilot was after. Tougher ship IS an option: there are frieghters and t2 indies. As for Quote: decide to petition it, as this player is using the high security to protect themselves and give themselves a unfair advantage. Thats complete and utter *******s. everything in high sec is to the advantage of the defender. How did it protect him? Concord cooked him, and now you can now kill him at will
Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:14:00 - [6] Originally by: HippoKing Tougher ship IS an option: there are frieghters and t2 indies. Thats your suggestion? A frieghtor or a tech 2 industrial ship!? So people are supposed to stay in there 1.0 system untill they have the skills to use these things? As for using high security that is exactly what they are doing. I would fly two ew ships infront of me and dampen/jam people at gates if I could, but I cant. I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Speed Devil haha pwnd Yes, im laughing my ass off. I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Hunters Presence	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:20:00 - [8] Quote: I play the game the way its supposed to be played, exploring my options and acting on them to take every precaution available. Freighters? Transports? The latter is designed almost exactly for this reason. Quote: Insta's dont help me from the jump in point untill I warp so thats out (not like I can get a insta for every station in every system anyway). You can, buy an insta package off an insta trader. That route is always open. Quote: I decide to petition it, as this player is using the high security to protect themselves and give themselves a unfair advantage. How are they protecting themselves? That's just illogical. High sec places everything in your favour. The fact that even with CONCORD and kill rights you still feel helpless suggests you need to invest some decent ISK in protection. Your petition will NOT work. CCP has specifically stated it's a game mechanic, will not be 'fixed' as it is not a bug and is NOT GRIEFING. ----- Lead Games Programmer @ Quasit-Rushyo Games \| Me!
Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:25:00 - [9] You know usually if you wipe away all the laughing at people, insults, and stupidity of the crime and punishment board you can find usefull information on how to stay alive or PVP. What I find interesting is that the only suggestion here is to fly a tech2 or get a frieghtor. Agian I dont think a tech2 indy can tank a volley of torpedoes coming from skilled pilot in a raven, and a frieghtor well thats for people that have been playing for a long time. Agian I say it is a exploit, there is no way a pilot can protect themselves from this. This will be fixed in one way or another once it becomes popular and enough people get ****ed, I have seen it several times before. That being said this is getting popular. I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Mr Crowley I dont think a tech 2 indy can take a volly of torpedoes anyway. Oh but they can. Easily. This topic has been done to death. So much good advice has been given out (and ignored) in so many similar topics. I'm out of sympathy. The bad guys adapt and the waaabears try to get the game changed. I died! hits petition
The Judas	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:27:00 - [11] TBH, your fault. there is any number of threads about just this thing. it happened to you once, you didnt learn and tried it again. What do you want? A cookie? Its not CCP's fault your unable to learn, its probably down to your parents, or the fact noone played with you as a child. I would hope your corp removes you from office at the earliest possible oportunity in order to prevent there money going to waste. In a similer vein, it wouldn't suprise me in the least if you set this up yourself and are trying to justify it. There is simply NO EXCUSE for this to happen to anyone any more whos been playing a while.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:28:00 - [12] Sorry but this was your fault. And to be honest, you were dumb to have let it happened. For a few hundred k isk you could have set that hauler up in such a way that no single BS could have killed you. Or you could have been less lazy and traveled in a ship that couldn't have been killed. Or fit nano's. Or used a scout that had a clue and new what he was looking for. Or put the items into plastic wrap. Or used a frieghter. Or used a tech 2 indy. All of those options, and many more, would have saved you. And take about 5 seconds of thinking, and 30 seconds of 'work.' You were lazy, and died and suffered a loss because of it. Good for the person who killed you I think. Its not griefing, the attacker wasn't specifcally out for you. And he/she is now 500 million richer because of your ignorance.
Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Mr Crowley This topic has been done to death. So much good advice has been given out (and ignored) in so many similar topics. Im still waiting. I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:32:00 - [14] I can see the future thread subject now: "Nerf transports! " --------------
Tolonen	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:42:00 - [15] I understand why people always flame these posts. Some of you are gankers or wannabe gankers and some want to protect the very open feel to the game and don't want perceived "carebears" to destroy it with their whines. However, the reality is this, the people doing this are mainly alts and they're being funded by their mains. Secondly its extremely easy to do and if you have enough friends ridiculously easy in terms of isk per person and skillpoints. You are right high sec space is not supposed to be safe however I'm sure the designers NEVER intended for pirate corps to be creating 1-2 day old alts and killing at will in high sec. If someones doing this on a main, I say fair play because: 1) They need to keep raising their sec status to keep doing it. 2) Their name will become known to give victims at better chance at evasion. I know all of this isn't directly relevant here since it was a raven. However I have numerous friends all in different pirate corps who are all in the process of making alts to do this. This is only going to get worse and soemthing does need to be done about it.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:52:00 - [16] recycling alts to for suicide ganking is an exploit (at least thats what i keep hearing) but those can only kill shuttles anyways....
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Mr Crowley Originally by: HippoKing Tougher ship IS an option: there are frieghters and t2 indies. Thats your suggestion? A frieghtor or a tech 2 industrial ship!? So people are supposed to stay in there 1.0 system untill they have the skills to use these things? no, they aren't meant to haul 500mil of stuff unless they can be arsed to spend 15days training the skills to protect it or hire someone who can be arsed
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.04.30 18:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Tolonen I understand why people always flame these posts. Some of you are gankers or wannabe gankers and some want to protect the very open feel to the game and don't want perceived "carebears" to destroy it with their whines. However, the reality is this, the people doing this are mainly alts and they're being funded by their mains. Secondly its extremely easy to do and if you have enough friends ridiculously easy in terms of isk per person and skillpoints. You are right high sec space is not supposed to be safe however I'm sure the designers NEVER intended for pirate corps to be creating 1-2 day old alts and killing at will in high sec. If someones doing this on a main, I say fair play because: 1) They need to keep raising their sec status to keep doing it. 2) Their name will become known to give victims at better chance at evasion. I know all of this isn't directly relevant here since it was a raven. However I have numerous friends all in different pirate corps who are all in the process of making alts to do this. This is only going to get worse and soemthing does need to be done about it. there's so much wrong here i'm not sure where exactly to begin. Point 1: We flame cause this is thread number 208593425892375823 on this topic about the exact same thing and we're tired of giving out the solutions (Don't transport anything valuable in something with a paper thin hull, if the volume forces you to use a freighter or an transport, if thats out of the question make a courier mission and wrap it in plastic) and the OP's repeatedly ignore it. Not because of your reason. Point 2: I'd venture a guess that the characters doing it are mains on some account, not 2 day alts. I guess this because... Point 3: Making suicide alts and then deleting them once their sec status is tanked is a bannable offense. So nobody is "killing at will" as you put it. I don't have a sig :( but i do have a video Welcome Home
The Judas	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:04:00 - [19] Your telling me Tank CEO is an alt? Or all the shadow company peeps in jita are alts? Um ... ok
Guntaro	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Mr Crowley You know usually if you wipe away all the laughing at people, insults, and stupidity of the crime and punishment board you can find usefull information on how to stay alive or PVP. What I find interesting is that the only suggestion here is to fly a tech2 or get a frieghtor. A simple and easy thing to do would be to carry lower values in one haul and make a few more trips so that it wouldn't be profitable for the suicide gankers.
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:05:00 - [21] Opportunity stimulates creativity, my friend. Don't blame him for seizing the moment, blame yourself for not being able to counter it.
Hunters Presence	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:10:00 - [22] Quote: I can see the future thread subject now: "Nerf transports! " "Transports: Somethings got to stop..." ----- Lead Games Programmer @ Quasit-Rushyo Games \| Me!
Tolonen	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:15:00 - [23] I specifically said my words didn't apply to this post since a raven was involved but didn't want to start yet another thread on the same subject. People are creating alts to do it though less to do with creation and deletion and more to do with laziness from getting their -10 char up into high sec. This is one of those things that seems fine while ever not everyone is doing it. My point is I know first hand that more and more people are going to be doing it. It is becoming a fad and I personally think it will become a problem. Characters doing this who risk essentailly nothing since they're being funded from their mains, (I personally know people who do this just as much for kicks as for profit) seems wrong to me. I'm obviously a minority, nevermind.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Mr Crowley What I find interesting is that the only suggestion here is to fly a tech2 or get a frieghtor. ... Agian I say it is a exploit, there is no way a pilot can protect themselves from this. You sir, are a freaking moron. Also, an indy witn some nanofibers, or similiar, can align and warp to a gate before a Raven locks and fires its torps, and if you insta'd, youre not getting ganked at your warpin spot. Not sure what made you haul half a billion worth of stuff in a t1 indy though. You seemed to have known quite well that there are people ganking in high-sec. I'd like to see CONCORD pod people, but that won't curb it really, and you do have kill rights. Get a gang, and kill the guy in a group if you can't do it solo. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.04.30 19:17:00 - [25] Originally by: The Judas Or all the shadow company peeps in jita are alts? Um ... ok Aren't they docked all the time?
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.30 21:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Tolonen I specifically said my words didn't apply to this post since a raven was involved but didn't want to start yet another thread on the same subject. People are creating alts to do it though less to do with creation and deletion and more to do with laziness from getting their -10 char up into high sec. This is one of those things that seems fine while ever not everyone is doing it. My point is I know first hand that more and more people are going to be doing it. It is becoming a fad and I personally think it will become a problem. Characters doing this who risk essentailly nothing since they're being funded from their mains, (I personally know people who do this just as much for kicks as for profit) seems wrong to me. I'm obviously a minority, nevermind. The people who are doing this are mains. They actually have to be unless someone has trained an alt with about 2million sp just to gank a couple indys. There is a risk, but the risks comes from the players. Mr. C has kill rights, and if he were at all concerned he could use those kill rights to actually kill someone. But that will never happen. And this practice will go on and on, because most people in eve are both cowards, and blatently ignorant of the game. No one will ever collect kill rights, because they're scared of doing it. And people still will put a billion isk worth of stuff in the only ship that can actually be destroyed in this manner. And the worse part it, tommorow this will happen again, several times, and we may see yet anouther thread. And the person making that thread will be flamed, and rightly so. Because they have completly ignored the advice give out for the last 2 years this tactic has been taking place. They did none of the easy fool proof things one can do to protect them selves. And for thier tottal ignorance, and lazyness, we get to read about how everyone in eve is a griefer, and evil, etc etc. Not only that, most likely someone will ask for a stupid nerf, to change a game mechanic they were prefectly able to protcet them selves from in the first place. I for one am getting really tierd of stupid alts, and ignorant carebears coming onto the forums and asking to be baby-sat and protected from the evil griefer.
Beowulf Scheafer	Posted - 2006.04.30 21:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Mr Crowley Edited by: Mr Crowley on 30/04/2006 18:15:17 Originally by: HippoKing Tougher ship IS an option: there are frieghters and t2 indies. Thats your suggestion? A frieghtor or a tech 2 industrial ship!? So people are supposed to stay in there 1.0 system untill they have the skills to use these things? I dont think a tech 2 indy can take a volly of torpedoes anyway. As for using high security that is exactly what they are doing. I would fly two ew ships infront of me and dampen/jam people at gates if I could, but I cant. you can say its an exploit for as long as the sun shines if u want. that will not change the statement that all is perfectly fine in highsec as it is by CCP. and for the rest of eve's luck, they are the responsibles, not you... eve is a game by pvpers for pvpers, and so there is always a way to kill someones ship, you just have to take the consequences. oh, and tII indys DO hold a torpedo volley of even the best skilled pilots if used properly, and thats a fact. i'm really sick of reading such stuff over and over again. if you can't adapt to the risk of playing eve, how about wow?
Espen	Posted - 2006.04.30 21:18:00 - [28] No, I'm not 500mill richer cos all the damn zydrine blew up.
Aelisha	Posted - 2006.04.30 21:37:00 - [29] Edited by: Aelisha on 30/04/2006 21:37:59 So THAT was what was going on today... Good thing a friend warned me about suicide gankers in the area! Oh wait... that would be SCOUTING ;). I never pvp, but I embrace that I can have it forced upon me even in the safest systems out there, and this is not an 'I lub Piewats' post, but a post stating that you need to take risks in line with what you can afford to risk. If one loss is taking your balance below 50% DON'T DO IT unless you are really looking to burn out instead of fading away. Thats all for now.... Get up, Get Over it, Get on with EVE. Aelisha
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.30 21:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Aelisha Edited by: Aelisha on 30/04/2006 21:37:59 So THAT was what was going on today... Good thing a friend warned me about suicide gankers in the area! Oh wait... that would be SCOUTING ;). I never pvp, but I embrace that I can have it forced upon me even in the safest systems out there, and this is not an 'I lub Piewats' post, but a post stating that you need to take risks in line with what you can afford to risk. If one loss is taking your balance below 50% DON'T DO IT unless you are really looking to burn out instead of fading away. Thats all for now.... Get up, Get Over it, Get on with EVE. Aelisha No! As the OP has pointed out scouting doesn't work, you must be lieing. Everyone knows there is no way to evade the evil griefer. You have no other choice but to die! You know as stupid as I feel for even wrting that. I think thats esentually the counter argument used by everyone asking for a nerf. More or less, "I don't like that guys play style, and I'm forced to interact with him, NERF!!!"

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