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Flying Lawnmower Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:01:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, I would like to seek your advice about the following fit. I largely put it together myself so it's a pretty generic ratting fit. I tried to fit it as cheaply as possible while still retaining dps and sufficient tank since I live in an entry null system and there can be significant traffic at times - which results in me warping to a pos from time to time. However the BR EM/Therm damage proves to be a problem as I am encountering problems in anything harder than a Forsaken Hub. Since Forsaken Hubs are camped almost all the time by other people in my alliance, I am sometimes forced to do a Forlorn and that's where I just can't hold the tank without running out of capacitor in a matter of few minutes and that's without being neuted and with Nos on. What am I doing wrong? I contemplated swapping the shield booster for an X-large one, or switching out the rigs, but the basic problem is I'm taking way too much damage - the dps is fine. And please no "get a Nightmare" advices, I like my mach. :( Quote: [Mach, BR anoms] [High] 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu [Mid] Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith A-Type EM Ward Field [Low] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II [Rigs] Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Gregor Parud 318	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:11:00 - [2] - Quote Never done those sites but you might want to armour tank instead of shield.
Flying Lawnmower Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:05:00 - [3] - Quote I thought of it, but there are some serious issues with that. Most prominent of all is that armour tanking slows down the ship - and since Mach is largely dependent on speedtanking (I scoot all over the place at 700m/s) I'm not sure about the viability of that fit. Any ideas/personal experience anyone?
Gregor Parud 318	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:43:00 - [4] - Quote Armour tanking only slows down your ship if you fit plates and/or trimarks, neither of which you'll be using. A simple fit will almost double your tanking towards BR compared to your overly blingy shield fit and because it frees up midslots you can use TC instead of having to use TE. Which means that even though you'll be fitting less gyros your dps at ranges, which is where you'll be, will be better. Again, no idea what kind tank numbers should should be having in those sites but a simple comparison to the fit you linked and a generic armour fit massively favours armour.
afkboss Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:44:00 - [5] - Quote Armor tank it.
afkboss Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote Drop a gyro and 3 tracking enhancers and fit a B-type repper and 3 b-type hardeners and you will have a much stronger tank.
Drake Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.03.23 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote Since Capacitor seems to be your problem change the pith a type booster to a gist and change the rigs to capacitor control circuits. If that doesn't work change the gist booster amp to a pith and upgrade the adaptive to a dread guristas or c type. Armor tanking it is unnecessary as you'll lose dps without gaining much. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Gregor Parud 318	Posted - 2014.03.23 17:49:00 - [8] - Quote Drake Doe wrote: Since Capacitor seems to be your problem change the pith a type booster to a gist and change the rigs to capacitor control circuits. If that doesn't work change the gist booster amp to a pith and upgrade the adaptive to a dread guristas or c type. Armor tanking it is unnecessary as you'll lose dps without gaining much. Thank you, mr clueless. TC instead of TE >>>>>>> 4th gyro. Also BR em/thermal on shield is ****.
Flying Lawnmower Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.23 18:11:00 - [9] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Armour tanking only slows down your ship if you fit plates and/or trimarks, neither of which you'll be using. A simple fit will almost double your tanking towards BR compared to your overly blingy shield fit and because it frees up midslots you can use TC instead of having to use TE. Which means that even though you'll be fitting less gyros your dps at ranges, which is where you'll be, will be better. Again, no idea what kind tank numbers should should be having in those sites but a simple comparison to the fit you linked and a generic armour fit massively favours armour. Thank you, I shall try that. The problem with BR sites is that their battleships hit hard as hell at great distances and they try to orbit you at 50km, and since I apply my dps at great distances as well, I'm taking hard hits. I just never armour tanked a Mach before since I spent most of my time with it in Angel space until now, so the whole concept makes me uneasy. Guess I'll see. :)
Drake Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.03.23 18:23:00 - [10] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Drake Doe wrote: Since Capacitor seems to be your problem change the pith a type booster to a gist and change the rigs to capacitor control circuits. If that doesn't work change the gist booster amp to a pith and upgrade the adaptive to a dread guristas or c type. Armor tanking it is unnecessary as you'll lose dps without gaining much. Thank you, mr clueless. TC instead of TE >>>>>>> 4th gyro. Also BR em/thermal on shield is ***. You're an idiot if you think a shield tanked ship can't stand up to em/thermal damage, people wouldn't use nightmares in blood raider or sansha space then. A forth damage mod still increases dps enough to be useful. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn*" ---Evernub--
The Spod Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 169	Posted - 2014.03.23 18:48:00 - [11] - Quote Tank: repper, 2 hardeners (armor) Gank: 4 faction gyro, burst aerator II, 3 tracking computers, FN omnitrack, 4 gardes/curators Speed tank is not meaningful, just gank through it before the damage becomes an issue. Too common a fallacy is that a mach should speed tank just because it can. Speed tank if it brings more applied damage to the table (hint: it often won't).
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 198	Posted - 2014.03.23 20:15:00 - [12] - Quote Drake Doe wrote: [quote=Gregor Parud] You're an idiot if you think a shield tanked ship can't stand up to em/thermal damage, people wouldn't use nightmares in blood raider or sansha space then. A forth damage mod still increases dps enough to be useful. They can, yes, but by using armor tank you already get 60/35 EM/Therm instead of 0/20 or in other words, a free EM Hardener. So... Yes, they "can" be used against EM/Thermal NPC but with the same logic you "can" use Marauders for 8 out of 10 Level 1 Missions. And just because you "can" doesnt mean you should. Anyway, why the fork do people destroy machariel fitts by using 3 semiconductor memory cells? 1 alone would be stupid beyond hope but 3? Please sell the ship, it deserves better than this. Also, please think about the electronic warfare that blood raiders use and rethink you whole cap management. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Gregor Parud 319	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:29:00 - [13] - Quote Drake Doe wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Drake Doe wrote: Since Capacitor seems to be your problem change the pith a type booster to a gist and change the rigs to capacitor control circuits. If that doesn't work change the gist booster amp to a pith and upgrade the adaptive to a dread guristas or c type. Armor tanking it is unnecessary as you'll lose dps without gaining much. Thank you, mr clueless. TC instead of TE >>>>>>> 4th gyro. Also BR em/thermal on shield is **. You're an idiot if you think a shield tanked ship can't stand up to em/thermal damage, people wouldn't use nightmares in blood raider or sansha space then. A forth damage mod still increases dps enough to be useful. Let me spell it out for you: TE: 20% falloff bonus TC: 30% falloff bonus Result; beyond 25km you do more applied dps with 3 gyro and TC than with 4 gyro and TE. The REASON why most ppl shield tank their machs is that they're either fighting Angels which are easier to tank on shield, and previously nano pumps hurt you speed so even against serp or Guristas people would tend to shield tank, because it made sense. NOW, with the changes to nano pumps and the TE changes from a while ago, it actually makes sense to armour tank it (not against Angels obviously). And in this case you get the simple issue of base armour vs shield resists in regards to EM and Thermal (as explained in the above post). Simply put; he'd have to be an idiot to not choose to armour tank in this situation. So the "lol, always shield tank your mach" is just another **** meme perpetuated by people who don't really know what they're talking about.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1899	Posted - 2014.03.24 00:41:00 - [14] - Quote it's funny how there is always some 'special' person who thinks that reality is a matter of opinion. @OP: armor tank it and be done. since the recent armor repairer buff, a-types, x-types and officer reps are almost as efficient as the best shield boosters, one more reason to go armor. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Alduin666 Shikkoken Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore 539	Posted - 2014.03.24 07:04:00 - [15] - Quote Flying Lawnmower wrote: I tried to fit it as cheaply as possible Quote: [Mach, BR anoms] [High] 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II 800mm Repeating Cannon II True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu [Mid] Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith A-Type EM Ward Field [Low] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II [Rigs] Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II LOL with decent skills a T2 specific fit faction battleship can wreck anoms, but go ahead with this 'cheap' fit. Just remember that you'll be on my watchlist. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Batelle Tymast Industries 150th 2337	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:21:00 - [16] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: since the recent armor repairer buff, a-types, x-types and officer reps are almost as efficient as the best shield boosters lol not even close. But still go armor tank, tracking computers are way better than tracking enhancers. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Flying Lawnmower Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote Alright, thank you for the input everyone. And for the TEST guy - yes, of course I am flying a Machariel on a 1 month old toon - put me on that watchlist! ... EDIT: And for the people telling me to sell the ship - I've recently come back to EVE after 4 years, cut me some slack..
Batelle Tymast Industries 150th 2339	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Flying Lawnmower wrote: Alright, thank you for the input everyone. And for the TEST guy - yes, of course I am flying a Machariel on a 1 month old toon - put me on that watchlist! ... EDIT: And for the people telling me to sell the ship - I've recently come back to EVE after 4 years, cut me some slack.. you can fly it shield, you should just fly it with AB, booster, 2x deadspace em, 1x deadspace thermal, and if you're low sp probably a damage control too. 1x em, 1x invuln, and 1x SBA is just really suboptimal if you need to tank rats better. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 199	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:11:00 - [19] - Quote Flying Lawnmower wrote: EDIT: And for the people telling me to sell the ship - I've recently come back to EVE after 4 years, cut me some slack.. If this is true then I will repeat myself, sell the ship and fly something cheaper. A propper fittet Maelstrom will do the same job, as will a well fitted Tornado for roughly 1/5 to 1/10 the cost of a Machariel. Also, even 4 years ago the semiconductor memory cells where crap. Since they got introduced they are the worst and most useless item ingame, maybe aside from a civilian afterburner or small hull repper but thats it. And also think about how you wanna combat Energy Neutralizers because your fitting cant. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Flying Lawnmower Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:03:00 - [20] - Quote Alright, going to necro the thread a little bit. Thank you everyone for the input. The memory cells were a pyfa decision, I was simply looking too much at the paperstats, not enough at the practical side of things and someone actually told me to get them, however I swapped them for CCC and burst aerator. Damien White wrote: If this is true then I will repeat myself, sell the ship and fly something cheaper. A propper fittet Maelstrom will do the same job, as will a well fitted Tornado for roughly 1/5 to 1/10 the cost of a Machariel. Also that's untrue. A LOT smaller ISK per tick. I tried before, but Mael or Nado dps in anoms isn't even getting close to the dps the Mach dishes out - like I said before, I had absolutely zero problems with dps, I have over 8 million SP in gunnery, capable of solid 1100-1200 dps. I just have issues with the tank against specific rats. That said, now that I replaced the rubbish rigs, can anyone please help me out with few fits, one armor tanked, one shield tanked? Thanks!

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