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Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3361	Posted - 2014.03.25 02:34:00 - [1] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: So if it's going to be argued that someone is allowed to use a 3rd party automation program to more efficiently control multiple accounts at the same time, then I should be allowed to use an automated mining bot. Turn it on, take a nap. If we're arguing about efficiency as the defining quality that makes it allowable.... No one is arguing that, you just can't read. "Automation" refers to actions that should be being taken by the player, instead being taken by the program. Mouse clicks, and the number thereof. If you have a program that lets you lock red crosses and shoot them one after another with the player only having made one click, that is illegal. If you have a program that lets you tell multiple accounts, with one click, to lock those crosses, and then with one more click to fire on them, that is legal. The accounts are not taking more actions with the use of ISBoxer than the number of clicks you made. You're simply letting more accounts use the same number of clicks. Note, btw, that although I understand the reasoning behind it, I do not necessarily agree with it. I personally think ISBoxer should be banned, if only that I can enjoy the laments of those who use it. But I am fully capable of understanding the reasoning behind it being allowed. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3361	Posted - 2014.03.25 02:42:00 - [2] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: "Automation" refers to actions that should be being taken by the player, instead being taken by the program. Mouse clicks, and the number thereof. If you have a program that lets you lock red crosses and shoot them one after another with the player only having made one click, that is illegal. If you have a program that lets you tell multiple accounts, with one click, to lock those crosses, and then with one more click to fire on them, that is legal. And that's why isboxer should be illegal, because that one mouse click is being turned into twenty mouse clicks via it's telling 20 different accounts to do that mouse click. False. It's turning one click into one click, for twenty accounts. No single account is taking more actions than mouse clicks. That's the key determination that has been used thus far. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3361	Posted - 2014.03.25 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: One click for 20 accounts, essentially 20 mouse clicks. "Essentially" is not where the line is drawn. For a single account, multiple actions for a single click is where the line is drawn. One. Account. It's that simple. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3361	Posted - 2014.03.25 02:55:00 - [4] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: The pressing of one button gets mimicked and sent by the software, automating the mouse clicks. It has a "repeater process" which means that it's repeating that keypress. You right click, and it repeats that process for each account. That one singular right click, through the repeater process, gets multiplied by the amount of accounts it's automatically sending that information to. Automation And no single account involved receives more than one set of input per mouse click. Which is where the line is drawn. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3362	Posted - 2014.03.25 03:00:00 - [5] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Which is why the line needs to be redrawn. It's giving one person an unfair advantage over another, perhaps even multiple others, through 3rd party software. CCP disagrees. That's the end of it. It's been brought up before, plenty of times. And it's still here. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3363	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:10:00 - [6] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Divine Entervention wrote: 13 Pages. it's obviously not the end of it. Yes and in that 13 pages, not a single response from a CCP employee. I think what Kaarous meant was that we can mass debate all we like, but it makes no difference. CCP haven't banned anyone for using ISBoxer. Bingo. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3363	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:33:00 - [7] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: But considering CCP allows this form of botting, it's safe to come to the conclusion that CCP will allow people to cheat as long as they get paid. There's only one way to find out... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3363	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:44:00 - [8] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Divine Entervention wrote: But considering CCP allows this form of botting, it's safe to come to the conclusion that CCP will allow people to cheat as long as they get paid. There's only one way to find out... Yet they wont answer. Probably because they feel it would look bad that they'll allow cheating for more money. Even though everyone already knows it. I did not mean to suggest that you ask them. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3369	Posted - 2014.03.25 09:57:00 - [9] - Quote I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3369	Posted - 2014.03.25 10:01:00 - [10] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules. 13 pages and someone still hasnt got what we argue about. Its automation by isbox not multiboxing as such (running your x clients manually). Oh, I get it. You're just wrong, so I pay it no mind. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3384	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:37:00 - [11] - Quote Whim Aqayn wrote: Banning people from using multiple accounts at once would be a start. While it wasn't D.E. who said it, I still feel confident in saying that I called it. Oh, and Whim Aqayn? Take a hike. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 3384	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:39:00 - [12] - Quote Good Posting wrote: Talking about isbox... i have a question and i don't think we need another thread, so here it goes. I have only two accounts (main+falcon/logi) and i'm fine with alt tabbing but i would like to know if this program would make my eve life better. Probably this is a dumb question but i have no idea how isbox works. I've been reading their site and i only find people using it with many accounts so i don't know if this would be appropriate for me. I believe there is a tutorial for it on YouTube. I honestly do not know myself, I alt tab like a boss, because all I ever use my other accounts for is scouting, where ISBoxer doesn't really help. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á Psychotic Monk for CSM9.

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