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Divine Entervention The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies 227	Posted - 2014.03.24 05:45:00 - [31] - Quote Shizuken wrote: Unezka Turigahl wrote: You have to grind through them if you want to raise standings with NPC factions. But aside from that, I don't understand why people put themselves through the torturous boredom of doing them. Jesus I know, doing missions makes me want jump off my balcony. How many times do I have to destroy Kruul's pleasure hub? However, when you need standing they have to be done. That is the worst part. Everyone loves money. I should be able to pay a corporation a ton of money to make them like me. That's how the real world works. Proof of lying in thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 1501	Posted - 2014.03.24 05:49:00 - [32] - Quote A few things stood out to me. You mention you have been playing the game for 4 years, but after all that time your still running lvl 3 missions, and you ave never encountered any form of PVP (as in someone has done their best to blow you up). You also mention that you think your in a PVE corp. For the amount of time you spend doing research. Most times this is things you have to look up once or twice (like how to do hacking) and while you might find your desk drowning in post it notes for a while, eventually you will have all the basics memorized and wont need to do research on it. And often you can just ask your fellow corp members and they will have the answer to your questions, severely cutting down the amount of time needed to try and find the information on your own. For no PVP. If you have spent the majority of your time in high sec i can understand that you have not run into much PVP. While a lot of people shout about all the gankers, its fully possible to go for years and years and never get ganked. However, in 4 years you should at least have experienced one war dec. Unless you spent those 4 years in an NPC corp of course But, some corporations also manages to get away from war decs, in general by being so small that its not worth the cost of war deccing them, or live so remotely that they have little to no contact with other players beyond the once in their corporation. Both of these can be bad depending on how you are as a person. Based on what you have said im guessing that your time has been spent in smaller corporations, which can also explain why you feel a bit insecure on what to do. A corp is a great way to get involved with new aspects off the game. and gives you company while doing your own stuff (like going 30 jumps from Jita). But it really worries me that your not really sure what your corp does. This shows a lack of research on your part, a lack off communication within the corporation, and a very careless recruiter that dont even take the time to tell you exactly what you are joining. However, EVE is not a game where you can expect someone to entertain you 24/7. Sometimes you have to make your own entertainment. And once you figure out what you actually enjoy doing, this will be much easier So, im going to leave you with two links. First one is a guide on how to help you find a corporation (covers basic research and similar). Second one is to help you see what you can do in EVE. Get out there and find people that can show you things you havent tried before. Join RVB for a while, go to low sec and play around, join Agony Unleashed PVP classes, join random public channels and get to know people. People makes EVE interesting. Go and find them Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5037	Posted - 2014.03.24 05:57:00 - [33] - Quote I think two of the big things you are missing OP is the "bigger picture" and the "social aspect." In a RL job you know what will get your a promotion based on the feedback you get from peers and superiors. And so you work your way up by doing more than what the requirements are and what people expect... whatever they may be. The same is true in EVE. To be more physically fit you know you need to work out... but how do you REALLY become physically fit? Do you want more endurance? More sprinting power? More raw strength? What are the "secrets" that will give you an edge over others? Ask peers and people who know their stuff. Figure out whether it is a matter of adding more protein to your diet or if you just need to do a certain activity that gives you better coordination and finesse. The same is true in EVE. If you dislike jumping 30 systems to re-supply... figure out how to cut that down. Is it a matter of having a faster ship? Or do you just need a supplier more local to your base of operations? Maybe you need to make friends with someone who can quickly move stuff around. If you find missions not that lucrative and/or boring... find new ways to make money. Play the market. Scam someone. Be a spy or intel master that gets paid for your efforts. PvE is not the only way to make ISK. There are some people who pay ISK for out-of-game (but related) artwork on forums... or 3rd party services (ex. a "middleman")... or PvP courses. Long ago I personally made money by smashing player assets for rival industrial corporations (see: I was a "hired gun"). Basically... look more at the PROCESS of improving yourself and your character's life rather than purely the end results. You are paying ~$15 a month for fun... but it is a more intellectual fun compared to other games. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Bloodmyst Ranwar War Toys Inc 35	Posted - 2014.03.24 06:13:00 - [34] - Quote I find your post interesting OP. Currently I feel the same way, however the difference is that most of my experience in game is in the PvP department, as opposed to the PvE side of things. Granted, most of my PvP experience is in solo play. I find the activity of solo PvP very difficult and this is what keeps me interested. However, my dilemma atm is the current small gang PvP meta. Mostly, the Falcon alts, Stabbed FW farmers and the current Crow/Malediction meta which pilots love to group up in fleets of about 10 which puts a huge dampener on things. It's literally rediculous how many of these things are getting around atm and severely limits your engagement opportunities. I have accepted this is my problem since I have been getting around in a Frigate most of the time. However, I am hoping that I have many more engagement opportunities once I can step into a Cruiser effectively and the 100's of Crows and Maledictions getting around atm aren't as much of a problem. Small gang PvP is fun, however if you are like me who doesn't mind traveling around 30+ jumps in one roam, it's very hard to find a corp that will do that with you. In my experience, most of them like to camp a pipe and/or gate instead of trying to actively hunt targets down. IMO, boring play. Not to mention, playing in the Aussie TZ doesn't help much either. I have tried to do the whole Null Sec F1 blob dog thing, but I also find this tremendously boring. I guess I'm just hoping to find that Corp I fit in well with and hope that Cruisers opens up many avenues for PvP (Hopefully Crows and Maledictions won't be as much of a problem). If this fails, I guess the only activity I have left to try is wardeccing High Sec Corps to try and fulfill my Solo PvP needs... I know that if I get to this point, I'll probably end up quitting. Hopefully I don't because I do enjoy the complexity and difficulty of the game (yes I know how stupid this sounds considering what I just said in the wall of text) but meh, I do understand what you mean. P.S - Well, did I go off on a slight tangent!........ lol
Divine Entervention The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies 228	Posted - 2014.03.24 06:27:00 - [35] - Quote OP, would you say that through your experiences with people in EvE, either directly through interacting with them, or seeing how they act with/towards others, that the community of EVE seems to be one you would prefer not to be part of? Totally understandable, and correct. These people are only trying to trick you to interact with them so they can gain your trust, and then stab you in the back so they can get lulz and internet high-fives from their only friends, their online friends. Don't fall for it. Proof of lying in thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1187	Posted - 2014.03.24 08:55:00 - [36] - Quote Blaine Nolan wrote: Thanks everyone for their input/advice. I realise that what I've missed out on is the PvP side of EVE, which is part intentional and part circumstance. I do enjoy PvE more than PvP, and was never told - or see it advertised - that EVE was a PvP focused game. I started playing about 4 years ago and fell into the traps of Mining as a primary focus, then Rep grinding, and now Missions/LP grinding. Each time resulting in me cancelling my sub because I was looking for something "more". So I think I will be moving on for good this time - thanks for helping me clarify that. I wish EVE was a game that better fostered a PVE experience outside of PVP, or at least pushed players towards PVP during the very beginning. I honestly have gone 4 years without even witnessing PVP. I read about these grandios battles but have not had 1 pilot ever try to attack me. The EVE system told me about all the things in PVE I could do -- gave me tutorials on all the different types of skills/professions, but not once introduced me to PvP -- so I play in complete ignorance of it. If there is one constructive thing I hope CCP / anyone else could gain by reading this thread is that if the excitement/enjoyment of this game is focused around the PVP element then advertise that more prominently and introduce people to PVP mechanics early on. I wouldn't have minded losing a starter ship in a PVP battle straight out of Sisters of EVE because then that would have given me that goal/target of what to work for etc. Instead I was left in space floating aimlessly jumping from PvE skill to PvE skill :) Thanks again everyone. If anyone wants to come and try kill me, I'll be somewhere in The Forge doing Security Missions until the 28th March, come find me and show me the PvP I've been missing :P I'll be in a Drake :) You have 5 days haha :D Why don't you slip over the border into low sec in your drake and find for yourself. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Sarah McKnobbo McKnobbo Universal Traders 113	Posted - 2014.03.24 09:11:00 - [37] - Quote Blaine Nolan wrote: The EVE system told me about all the things in PVE I could do -- gave me tutorials on all the different types of skills/professions, but not once introduced me to PvP -- so I play in complete ignorance of it. This. IMO this is what needs to be changed to help get people away from the 'eeek PvP!' mentality. There is a huge disconnect between PvE and PvP mechanics. I know that they will always be different beasts but it would be good to see the 2 brought closer together, maybe incorporating more PvP tactics into PvE or something. At the minute they are almost 2 distinctly seperate games.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 843	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:33:00 - [38] - Quote Missions, looting, mining , exploration, manufacturing. These are some ways to acquire isk. Isk is NOT the point of the game. Earning isk is not endgame. Most activities in eve require isk and finding one you find fun is a new players first task. This might be high sec pvp, low /null small gang pvp null sec fleet fights, Faction warfare exploration of dangerous space wormholes incursions destroying morale /ships of opposing corps killing capital ships scamming spying theft awoxing code compliance whatever you like. step 2 is join a decent corp that specialises in these activities (this is harder than it sounds) step 3 \o/ you are having fun. Some ways of making isk will make your eyes bleed. Don't do them. You don't need large amounts of isk or SP for any of the above activities but having friends helps with most thus joining ome communities such as but not limited to a decent corp. Just stop looting if the process drives you mad. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Koz Katral Sanctuary of Shadows 2	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:43:00 - [39] - Quote If you are looking for a faster paced style of play that involves you shooting at other people instead of boring npc's, then join the in game chat channel 'Spectre Fleet'. Spectre Fleet is a public group that takes out fleets of usually low skillpoint ships with the intention of fighting anyone and everyone. There are alot of experienced pilots alongside alot of very new players learning to pvp for the first time. There is no long term commitment, you don't have to join any specific corp or alliance - you join the chat, x up and have fun. From there you will learn alot more about the game, venture into low and nullsec for the first time, see ships you never knew existed and learn how they work, after that - you might have a much clearer idea of what you want to do in the game.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 501	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:19:00 - [40] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Forgot to mention one thing about the LP, make sure you check the market prices before you buy anything from the LP Store, some things in there are worth than others, some items you can actually make a loss on. Big missions are the ones where you're up against a lot of battlecruisers and/or battleships, look for the missions that offer the highest amounts of LP and ISK as a reward, those tend to be the big ones. I haven't done level 3s in a long time, but typically I won't bother salvaging a level 4 mission if I killed less than 10 battleships. It's worth pointing out LP only really comes into its own with blitzing level IVs in a lower security system for a good corp with good social skills. For example I ran a level IV Vengenace with my mission alt earlier tonight. It took about 40 minutes. I ignored the loot except for the named baddie Moon (who had about 3 mill in mods) and got about 20 mill or so bounty and 4 mill mission reward. So roughly 25 mill for the mission itself . It was a sisters 0.5 sec agent so I also got ~ 9500 LP for the mission which traded for sisters probes will fetch me a profit of 20 mill ISK. So all up 45 million ISK in 40 minutes and about half that was LP.
Real Serious PVPer Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:01:00 - [41] - Quote Forget missions, learn the way of the PVPer, everything you know about eve to date is nothing compared to what you will know about EVE after PVP. -áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time. -áMUFC
Hecules Flanagan Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns. 0	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:02:00 - [42] - Quote Blaine Nolan wrote: Thanks everyone for their input/advice. I realise that what I've missed out on is the PvP side of EVE, which is part intentional and part circumstance. I do enjoy PvE more than PvP, and was never told - or see it advertised - that EVE was a PvP focused game. I started playing about 4 years ago and fell into the traps of Mining as a primary focus, then Rep grinding, and now Missions/LP grinding. Each time resulting in me cancelling my sub because I was looking for something "more". So I think I will be moving on for good this time - thanks for helping me clarify that. I wish EVE was a game that better fostered a PVE experience outside of PVP, or at least pushed players towards PVP during the very beginning. I honestly have gone 4 years without even witnessing PVP. I read about these grandios battles but have not had 1 pilot ever try to attack me. The EVE system told me about all the things in PVE I could do -- gave me tutorials on all the different types of skills/professions, but not once introduced me to PvP -- so I play in complete ignorance of it. If there is one constructive thing I hope CCP / anyone else could gain by reading this thread is that if the excitement/enjoyment of this game is focused around the PVP element then advertise that more prominently and introduce people to PVP mechanics early on. I wouldn't have minded losing a starter ship in a PVP battle straight out of Sisters of EVE because then that would have given me that goal/target of what to work for etc. Instead I was left in space floating aimlessly jumping from PvE skill to PvE skill :) Thanks again everyone. If anyone wants to come and try kill me, I'll be somewhere in The Forge doing Security Missions until the 28th March, come find me and show me the PvP I've been missing :P I'll be in a Drake :) You have 5 days haha :D If you had ever gone through low or null sec you would have quick seen some Pvp. Last night alone I lost 3 ships and sometimes I lose 5 or more in a night. Im a new player so losing ships is to be expected. But if you want to look for PvP trouble in Eve you can find it easily. My most embarrassing moment was being ganked while carrying 1 billion isk worth of cargo in a mammoth. That was in high sec. I find it utterly baffling that in 4 years you have never seen pvp whereas in my 3 months I have seen it literally hundreds of times.
Rubishod Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies Avowed. 6	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:15:00 - [43] - Quote Clearly the thread has run it's course but if anyone reads this all the way through: like life, if you are playing eve just to make isk you are doing it wrong
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 3378	Posted - 2014.03.24 17:04:00 - [44] - Quote Step 1: Join a corp. Step 2: Be in the corp. Step 3: Do stuff with your corp. Step 4: there is no step 4 seriously go do those other things. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Winchester Steele 444	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:19:00 - [45] - Quote I don't know about the rest of this nonsense but if it takes you 30 min to do 12 jumps in any ship you are definitely doing it wrong. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh.
Serene Repose 1163	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:48:00 - [46] - Quote Eh. The OP may have exaggerated just a tad. Frustration tends to cause that sometimes. To say this EVE thing is what you make it, that's probably a bit of an exaggeration, too. Add "within certain parameters..." You did answer your own question, OP, however. When you mentioned hacking, then alluded to the information gathering phase, you pretty much nailed it. Of course, when striking out in a specialized course such as site hacking, one does have to obtain the equipment required, train up for what you can't quite do (yet,) then get out there and do the what it is. Time spent in what your OP described, had it not been for the trip from Jita, you coulda squeezed-in two L3s. Why? Well, it is a way to make money (to finance something.) There are perks to high standings with the corp you run missions for. You were likely running up your security status (incrementally, but it's there). Admittedly, it's not as though you could impulsively run out and hack to satisfy your immediate desire. (Not that I'd accuse anyone of being the instant gratification-seeking sort.) But, any in-depth occupation with EVE will require some run up time, financing, and geez, once all this is done, you don't have to do it again. But, as articulate as your OP was, my guess is you really don't want to occupy your time in this fashion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression you'd rather power level, obtain high-end gear, then gank lesser players for giggles. It's a common mistake for MMO players to come to this "sandbox" and expect what they did in "other games" is doable here. I guess you've discovered that. It's not the "game's" fault, however. This was such a diplomatic attempt to point this out to you, I do hope, when you decide to chuck it all, that you'll send me YOUR STUFF!!! thanks for your time and attention I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 503	Posted - 2014.03.25 00:14:00 - [47] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: I don't know about the rest of this nonsense but if it takes you 30 min to do 12 jumps in any ship you are definitely doing it wrong. Average 4 minutes in a hyper rigged Stiletto. Maybe they are in a freighter ?
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Cult of War 2294	Posted - 2014.03.25 01:22:00 - [48] - Quote First ask yourself this question. What made you want to play EVE in the first place? - Most players don't come into EVE totally blind, especially since any time something big happens, gaming news websites start talking about it. Did you join to take part in massive battles of thousands of players? Then join one of the Nullsec groups. Were you enticed by the tales of secrecy and betrayal? Take up scamming or spying. Does EVE's lore completely pull you in? Faction Warfare is good for this. Do you want to make billions? Play around with the markets and trade away. Also, one attitude that you need to develop as a new player is There is nothing you can't start doing from day one. There are things you probably shouldn't start doing from day one, but anything is possible for a new player. Want to get into PVP? You can light cynos, scout, and tackle in under an hour. Mining? Very easy to do from day one. The tutorial missions give and tell you about everything you need to start with. Trading? There's a guide somewhere on how to make a billion ISK on your trial account. Yeah that's right, if you know what you're doing you can play EVE without never spending a single bit of your real cash. The third thing you need to understand as a new player is EVE is a long term game. If you're expecting to make billions, take an entire section of the galaxy for your own, and slaughter thousands of players in an hour, then this probably isn't the game for you. EVE has survived ten years because things take time and strategy to unfold. Overnight success stories are extremely rare in EVE and are more about luck than about skill. If you're the type of person that will start something massive and only see it finished years after the idea first popped into your head, welcome to EVE. If you need instant gratification, this isn't the game for you. That said, EVE isn't slow or boring. It's just very strategic and requires a lot of planning and time. Which is why the best thing to do is take baby steps and set small goals for yourself on a daily basis. You should have long term, master plans that will take years to unfold. However, if you set little goals for yourself every time you log in, you'll have a blast accomplishing things. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2508	Posted - 2014.03.25 02:02:00 - [49] - Quote Yeah you are playing it wrong. Kill everything, steal anything that's not nailed down then make fun of the victims on the forums. That's how you play eve.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 95	Posted - 2014.03.25 08:36:00 - [50] - Quote Come try fleeting with Spectre fleet. Public fleets for anyone. Even low skill pilots and old pilots but new to PvP and fleets.
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 433	Posted - 2014.03.25 08:54:00 - [51] - Quote Rubishod wrote: Clearly the thread has run it's course but if anyone reads this all the way through: like life, if you are playing eve just to make isk you are doing it wrong And yet the measuring stick for wins, losses and brag rights in this game are all about how much isk is taken or destroyed . Often people will go so far as to convert this isk number into real world currency values for as much "cash brag rights" as they can muster. The 2 metrics used are how much it cost to destroy how much -vs- how much one earns/accumulates in value. to follow the first metric (destroyed), you need enough assets accumulated to afford the expense side of that destruction. So, really, how people are measuring their success and failure in this game is market centric. Someone with a vast "earned" fortune can, and often will, scoff at others claims of 'doing damage' simply because they can afford such losses. Net effect: New players tend to look at earnings and all that destruction as the fluffy fun side to get into "later on, when I can afford it" - with all arguments against it distilling down to "go broke trying it. That's more fun!" - usually be very rich veteran players who CAN already afford huge "losses" as trivial expenses.
Medalyn Isis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2014.03.25 09:14:00 - [52] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Yeah you are playing it wrong. Kill everything, steal anything that's not nailed down then make fun of the victims on the forums. That's how goons play eve. Corrected that for you.
Seven Koskanaiken The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 1050	Posted - 2014.03.25 09:37:00 - [53] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Well the game is suppose to be a launching platform you use to put yourself into a position to play the real game. The real game is interacting with the other people. You play the game to get materials needed to play the real game. The game itself is incredibly boring. What's interesting is the potential when you get into the real game. Sadly, the "real game" of eve, while interesting in the same way a car accident on the high way is interesting, is still not very compelling. I might want to look at the carnage while passing by because I'm super pissed I had to wait 20 extra minutes to get somewhere, but it's not so entertaining that I want to get out of my car and hang out with the crew cleaning the place up, maybe taking pictures. it's the people really. The way they present themselves is in a manner that influences you to believe that they aren't people worth interacting with. EvE has horrible people. Who are you interacting with to make this judgement? Maybe leave the viper's nests of EVEO and hisec mission hubs for a while and interact with the other 400,000 people who are well, just, basically normal.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 95	Posted - 2014.03.25 10:54:00 - [54] - Quote Quote: EvE has horrible people. I too get sick of this "reputation" or belief. Seriously has none of these ppl played other games. The stuff that comes out of 7 year olds mouths on xbox live is crazy. Are there trolls? Yes. Are there people genuinely out there to help? Yes, more so most of the time. I have been escorted out of null sec when i had to log off and come back on without my fleet, by REDS! They were just like, hay we'll escort you. I am in a jag 20 jumps with pipes from highsec, what did i have to lose. Turns out not the jag, they did escort me. Yesterday a bunch of noobs or carebares wanted to check out incursions, my corpie was mulitboxing spider tanked tengus and msg on local to get close enough for reps others wise the will die (they where scramed i believe). Some of them got close enough that he could save them. He then escorted them out of the incursion systems. The one guy who didn't trust him died when he Leroyed the gate. I know lots of ppl that give isk/ships to new players in public fleets. We almost always try to help with fitting for each other. Standard "How to PvP" advice says to ask the ppl who killed you for advice. Presumably because they will give good advice. I have meet people here i would call friends in RL now. MMOs are about socializing within the context of the game mechanics with other people.

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