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Fiera Tir'ak
Black Moon Isk Laundry
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:04:00 -
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I agree wholeheartedly that the "bonus room" is just what Jester described: A torture chamber. I had the "pleasure" of becoming a bonus room contestant earlier this week, and it's just as bad as it sounds.
I had just come into some PLEX as a gift and had ISK to burn, so I - foolishly - decided to try out Erotica 1's "ISK Doubling Service." To my amazement, I actually "won" and my ISK was doubled. I double checked his rules, and tried to submit more ISK. This time, though, I was told that I had won a bonus room, and I had a chance to earn even more ISK by demonstrating my faith. I wasn't really interested, but I had no other chance to get the ISK that I had put in back.
I got into the bonus room, and after a bit of discussion, I was promised that I would get five times my investment if I showed complete faith. I didn't want to, but I felt so trapped, and the people in the room were very convincing. I finally began transferring all of my assets - about 5 billion ISK worth - to the members in the room.
After they had all of my assets, they told me that I needed to complete a few additional tasks. Once again, I didn't want to, but I felt like I had no choice, since they had all my assets. I had no idea what to do. They made me read some poetry and sections from various websites.
I thought I was done after this, but NO! I began to be sure that this was a scam, but I had to keep going. I was told to sing various songs. It was so humiliating, but all of my ISK and assets were in their hands. I could feel them laughing at me the whole time. I begged them to stop, but they wouldn't!
I finally gave up. They told me I was close, but I was sure I would have lost anyway in the end. I now have nothing, just a rookie ship, and I don't even know if I want to play EVE anymore. I used to PLEX my account, and I am just a college student, and these guys took everything from me - even my dignity.
Now, I have nothing left, but my Orca alt. Thought about a forum alt to post this, but what difference does it make anymore. With no dignity comes apathy. I am down, but not out, however.
I hope that I eventually can train to do the things I love doing in the game. Mining, missioning, some small gang stuff. But I know it will be a long climb. Those who wish to join me in combating this monster, Erotica 1, are welcome to join my corp. It isn't much, as I don't have much. But hopefully we can show these sociopaths we will not be stomped into oblivion.
**** all you guys that hurt people like me!
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
325
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:06:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
189
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:10:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote: **** all you guys that hurt people like me!
The only one who hurt you was yourself, who forced you to stay in that teamspeak session? No one but yourself. Who stole anything from you? No one, the isk and assets were CCPs anyway.
Your hurt feelings were of your own doing, I cant hit myself on the head and then cry at the police to arrest someone I dont like, it doesnt work that way. |

Herzav
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:11:00 -
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Sorry you fell for the scam. It hurts me to see fall for this 
Trust no one in EvE is the motto. If it sounds too good to be true, then its scam. |

Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:11:00 -
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Baby don't hurt me Don't hurt me No more
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
158
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:13:00 -
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Good rules for life.
1. Any deal too good to be true, is a scam. 2. Don't be greedy, quit while you're ahead - A greedy person always losses everything in the end. 3. Don't trust anyone in Eve and Trust even less In Real Life.
You're welcome. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3104
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:14:00 -
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This.
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Abortion Engine
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
1
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:15:00 -
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Hey guys, let's all victim shame and hold a sociopath up as a model EVE subscriber. |

Derek Abel
Meridian Commonwealth
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:16:00 -
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Herzav wrote:Sorry you fell for the scam. It hurts me to see people fall for this  Trust no one in EvE is the motto. If it sounds too good to be true, then its scam. Also, you could have cashed out the ''doubled out'' ISK but I guess greed gets the best of us every once in a while huh?
I agree with with everything said here, and I'll send you some ISK to help you get back on your feet. I hope this doesn't truly ruin the game for you, you just need to find the right people and this game becomes awesome. |

Igeshter Teonuat
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:19:00 -
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Yeah, this doesn't look fishy at all. |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
159
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:19:00 -
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Abortion Engine wrote:Hey guys, let's all victim shame and hold a sociopath up as a model EVE subscriber.
To Clarify, I'm not Victim shaming. I feel bad for the kid and it is important they know that once they get out of school, these types of people will be surrounding them more often than not. He/she needs to develop street smarts quickly. Regardless if they are hustling or in corporate.
Always be wary. |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
159
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:21:00 -
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Derek Abel wrote:Herzav wrote:Sorry you fell for the scam. It hurts me to see people fall for this  Trust no one in EvE is the motto. If it sounds too good to be true, then its scam. Also, you could have cashed out the ''doubled out'' ISK but I guess greed gets the best of us every once in a while huh? I agree with with everything said here, and I'll send you some ISK to help you get back on your feet. I hope this doesn't truly ruin the game for you, you just need to find the right people and this game becomes awesome.
That is a very kind gesture, but how do you know the OP is being truthful? He could be running a game and you fell for it. I will give only honest advice. Isk stays in my wallet. |

Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
1
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:24:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote: I finally gave up.
That's why you didn't win your isk! |

Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
235
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:32:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Abortion Engine wrote:Hey guys, let's all victim shame and hold a sociopath up as a model EVE subscriber. To Clarify, I'm not Victim shaming. I feel bad for the kid and it is important they know that once they get out of school, these types of people will be surrounding them more often than not. He/she needs to develop street smarts quickly. Regardless if they are hustling or in corporate. Always be wary.
This is a very true statement.
Never trust someone you meet from EvE. Chances are, they're just trying to lie/steal from you. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2414
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:45:00 -
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posting in a stealth isk-begging thread or stealth recruitment thread.
See OP's bio you gullible bads. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Fiera Tir'ak
Black Moon Isk Laundry
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:51:00 -
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Batelle wrote:posting in a stealth isk-begging thread or stealth recruitment thread.
See OP's bio you gullible bads.
It's not the isk. I am rather looking for people of alike mind. Do you think cyberbullying is okay? I don't. I would like to see a community event specifically catered to the subject. Raise money, raise awareness. Do I need to run it? Of course not. But I do feel the need to come forward and share my experiences on the subject.
The next person might not be as easy-going and chin up about it as me. The next guy could be another sohkar. |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2415
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:55:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote:Batelle wrote:posting in a stealth isk-begging thread or stealth recruitment thread.
See OP's bio you gullible bads. It's not the isk. I am rather looking for people of alike mind. Do you think cyberbullying is okay? I don't. I would like to see a community event specifically catered to the subject. Raise money, raise awareness. Do I need to run it? Of course not. But I do feel the need to come forward and share my experiences on the subject. The next person might not be as easy-going and chin up about it as me. The next guy could be another sohkar.
I don't believe you. You smellreek of alt. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2750
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:56:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote:**** all you guys that hurt people like me! So to be clear: **** everyone that hurts gullible artards?
Honestly, you thought you get get something for nothing, and you tried it and did. Then you thought you could get MORE for nothing, so you went for that too. Then when you had given away all your stuff, you chose to do some pretty stupid stuff when asked. How many times did you have to smash your head into your desk to kill off enough braincells to think that was a good idea? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Fiera Tir'ak
Black Moon Isk Laundry
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:59:00 -
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And, of course, this thread becomes a testament to everything said in the Jester blog.
A person comes forth with their experience. Is met with ridicule and further bullying.
And you all wonder why he has his concerns. |

Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:00:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote:Batelle wrote:posting in a stealth isk-begging thread or stealth recruitment thread.
See OP's bio you gullible bads. It's not the isk. I am rather looking for people of alike mind. Do you think cyberbullying is okay? I don't. I would like to see a community event specifically catered to the subject. Raise money, raise awareness. Do I need to run it? Of course not. But I do feel the need to come forward and share my experiences on the subject. The next person might not be as easy-going and chin up about it as me. The next guy could be another sohkar.
Neither of these cases fall under cyber-bullying. The "victims" are not actively pursued or targeted. The "victims" presented themselves, voluntarily, to the situation, and were aware of all the risks involved. There were no threats made towards the "victims."
The "victims" who make threats hit more checkmarks on the cyber-bully list than anyone else involved.
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Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
195
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:01:00 -
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The fact you put yourself in the same booth as, say, school kids being bullied by their classmates over the phone and on facebook etc. is just low.
You are not being bullied, you are giving away your stuff and throwing tantrums when asked to sing a song to potentially get it back, get real. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2750
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:01:00 -
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If you are a "victim" of this, then you deserve to be ridiculed. It means that your own greed followed by your inability to make rational decisions led you to do some really stupid stuff, then you blame it on other people as if they forced you to make the choices you did. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Fiera Tir'ak
Black Moon Isk Laundry
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:05:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:If you are a "victim" of this, then you deserve to be ridiculed. It means that your own greed followed by your inability to make rational decisions led you to do some really stupid stuff, then you blame it on other people as if they forced you to make the choices you did.
Has nothing to do with greed. It has to do with fun. Would more isk not make things more fun? |

Dagar Bly
EvE Character Portrait REDUX
8
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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Can I have the rest of your stuff? |

Fiera Tir'ak
Black Moon Isk Laundry
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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Dagar Bly wrote:Can I have the rest of your stuff?
Lol.
No. |

Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
263
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:25:00 -
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10/10 well done OP https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
264
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:26:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:If you are a "victim" of this, then you deserve to be ridiculed. It means that your own greed followed by your inability to make rational decisions led you to do some really stupid stuff, then you blame it on other people as if they forced you to make the choices you did.
What. No, people never deserve to be ridiculed... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2326
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:40:00 -
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OP got greedy, took a risk, and it did not pay off. Oops.
Demonstrating poor choices in investment and who to trust does not make you a cyberbullying victim. It does make you a scam victim.
EVE has a long standing tradition of allowing things like holding people ransom for a song, or other such events. If you do not like CCP's policy, suggest to them that they change it - but given that they play those song ransoms at Fanfest, I expect the result will be that you will be told to HTFU. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
492
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:43:00 -
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I would say ignorance is no longer a valid excuse. I'll just leave this here. |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
458
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:49:00 -
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Lesson learned, don't be greedy.
1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
You don't think the faith Erotica talks about is faith in him do you?
Isaiah 57:17 I was enraged by his sinful greed; I punished him, and hid my face in anger, yet he kept on in his willful ways.
Keep doing Gods work Erotica! |

Savnire Jacitu
FRONTLiNE GRP.
272
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:01:00 -
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There is a line. And sometimes people cross it. But to be blunt here, you not only gave them the gun they put to your head, but you loaded it.
Pity the fools that dive into the void, unknowing of the danger, but learn from them.
You know those blood spots you see in Dark Souls? You just became one of them. <corrupt> |

Volar Kang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:02:00 -
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Forming a support group corp for victims will be like bending over in a Turkish prison shower. Every scammer will be targeting you since there would be so many easy marks in one corp. |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:03:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Abortion Engine wrote:Hey guys, let's all victim shame and hold a sociopath up as a model EVE subscriber. To Clarify, I'm not Victim shaming. I feel bad for the kid and it is important they know that once they get out of school, these types of people will be surrounding them more often than not. He/she needs to develop street smarts quickly. Regardless if they are hustling or in corporate. Always be wary.
Then, once you have street smarts, you realize that most people are pretty decent. The truly lazy greedy stupid and evil are spread thin, where they concentrate, nothing flourishes. Is this bonus room crap still going? Seems kinda contrived. Pranks and tricks are all well and good, but months on end of the same old gets a bit tragic.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
423
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:08:00 -
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I cant believe you actually came on to these forums and admitted that you carry a 4th grade education. Seriously would you give all your stuff you own in RL to a complete stranger? Then why would you do that in EVE?
What really astounds me is that there are people who actually fall for this stuff.
My god man how are you not broke in RL? Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
55
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:12:00 -
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The saying goes
Once bitten twice shy.
I hope you have learned your lesson OP.
There are allot of people who scam people in EvE everyday.
But to allow yourself get Bitten by Erotica1 who scammed you of everything you had in EvE tough luck.
Only CCP can answer that question if scamming is allowed or not allowed in EvE.
If scamming is allowed there is nothing that anyone can do about it OP.
But if CCP decides to put a stop to scammers and then CCP could PRESS THAT BIG RED SCAMMING BUTTON on those scammers and ban them.
This is all in CCP hands to decide the outcome. 
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1923
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:21:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Fiera Tir'ak wrote:**** all you guys that hurt people like me! So to be clear: **** everyone that hurts gullible artards?Honestly, you thought you get get something for nothing, and you tried it and did. Then you thought you could get MORE for nothing, so you went for that too. Then when you had given away all your stuff, you chose to do some pretty stupid stuff when asked. How many times did you have to smash your head into your desk to kill off enough braincells to think that was a good idea?
Quote:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.1ST OFFENCE GÇô WARNING 2ND OFFENCE GÇô 14 DAY SUSPENSION 3RD OFFENCE GÇô 30 DAY SUSPENSION 4TH OFFENCE GÇô 90 DAY SUSPENSION 5TH OFFENCE GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION 6+ OFFENCES GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION (OR PERMANENT BAN IF TRANSGRESSION IS SEVERE ENOUGH) Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |

RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
423
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:22:00 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote: But if CCP decides to put a stop to scammers and then CCP could PRESS THAT BIG RED SCAMMING BUTTON on those scammers and ban them.
Why would they even be thinking about that? This game has allowed scamming (Correct me if Im wrong here) since day 1 why would they change that.
What they need to do is whomever is scammed give them a free dust account maybe that will make them happy.
Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1078
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:24:00 -
[38] - Quote
Erotica1 is literally Jimmy Saville. |

DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
171
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:35:00 -
[39] - Quote
tl;dr version
you got greedy, wanted someone to give you free money, and your greed outweighed your common sense - the part of you that knew you were going to get burned.
welcome to eve. |

DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
171
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:38:00 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote: Only CCP can answer that question if scamming is allowed or not allowed in EvE.
They have, and it is.
It's against the EULA to launch personal attacks (As in, real life threats, name calling, racist remarks) against others. Other then that, this is a sandbox game. CCP does not step in unless the EULA is violated. If you follow Erotica1's actions, you quickly realize that he has never violated the EULA (however, his "victims" commonly devolve into using personal attacks, screaming, shouting, racial and homophobic slurs, etc.)
I'm tired of all these threads making the folks that allow their personal greed to shut off their common sense, and then rage and whine about it while trying to maintain some kind of moral high ground. It's pathetic.
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Abortion Engine
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
4
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:45:00 -
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Abortion Engine wrote:Hey guys, let's all victim shame and hold a sociopath up as a model EVE subscriber. I'm pleased to see that most of you are following my instructions.
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Scamming is one thing, it's practically part and parcel of the game. But escalating beyond that to tormenting and humiliating someone desperate to get back what they lost for the sole purpose of getting your jollies is the behavior of a sociopath. It's all well and good to say "Just log off of TS" when you're sitting comfortable in your chair feeling all smug, maybe nursing a beer or licking cheeto dust off your fingers, it's quite another when you've just been brought to a crushing low.
And then someone offers you a glimmer of hope that maybe it will get better, so you stay on TS. |

One Eyed Runner
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:50:00 -
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Fiera Tir'ak wrote:I agree wholeheartedly that the "bonus room" is just what Jester described: A torture chamber. I had the "pleasure" of becoming a bonus room contestant earlier this week, and it's just as bad as it sounds. ~~~~snip~~~
I got into the bonus room, and after a bit of discussion, I was promised that I would get five times my investment if I showed complete faith. I didn't want to, but I felt so trapped, and the people in the room were very convincing. I finally began transferring all of my assets - about 5 billion ISK worth - to the members in the room. ~~~~Sorry greedy~~~
After they had all of my assets, they told me that I needed to complete a few additional tasks. Once again, I didn't want to, but I felt like I had no choice, since they had all my assets. I had no idea what to do. They made me read some poetry and sections from various websites.
I thought I was done after this, but NO! I began to be sure that this was a scam,~~~it was the min you trusted ER1~~~ but I had to keep going. I was told to sing various songs. It was so humiliating, but all of my ISK and assets were in their hands. I could feel them laughing at me the whole time. I begged them to stop, but they wouldn't!
I finally gave up. They told me I was close, but I was sure I would have lost anyway in the end. I now have nothing, just a rookie ship, and I don't even know if I want to play EVE anymore. I used to PLEX my account, and I am just a college student, ~~~ then you really should be smarter than this~~~and these guys took everything from me - even my dignity.
Now, I have nothing left, but my Orca alt. Thought about a forum alt to post this, but what difference does it make anymore. With no dignity comes apathy. I am down, but not out, however.
I hope that I eventually can train to do the things I love doing in the game. Mining, missioning, some small gang stuff. But I know it will be a long climb. Those who wish to join me in combating this monster, Erotica 1, are welcome to join my corp. It isn't much, as I don't have much. But hopefully we can show these sociopaths we will not be stomped into oblivion.
**** all you guys that hurt people like me!
I live in Jita so f*ck off |
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CCP Falcon
6103

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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:39:00 -
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If you'd like to discuss this issue, please feel free to do so in the original thread that was created, and stop spamming the forums with new threads.
This is a situation that we've been monitoring for some time now, and recent events have sparked renewed discussion with regards to what, if anything will be done in regards to what's happened.
Thanks. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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