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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:51:00 -
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Just trained into HAC's starting this morning, and want to work on a good Zealot fit for PVP. I've seen a few different suggestions from corpies, and basically my questions boil down to:
AB or MWD? I've seen both suggested.
Super tank / mediocre gank or Darn good gank / mediocre tank?
Fit suggestions and rationales behind them would be greatly appreciated! 
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Kelgan O'Sullivan
Grey Templars
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:07:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Just trained into HAC's starting this morning, and want to work on a good Zealot fit for PVP. I've seen a few different suggestions from corpies, and basically my questions boil down to: AB or MWD? I've seen both suggested. Super tank / mediocre gank or Darn good gank / mediocre tank? Fit suggestions and rationales behind them would be greatly appreciated!
Depends shield tanked nano mwd can be pretty fun to fly. But most are standard ab ahac(CRABAHAC)
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
741
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:26:00 -
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If you get caught and hard tackled, it's just a cruiser hull and it dies fast. And losing a Zealot kinda hurts 
I've had my best fun/success in a MWD/Scorch fit/Kitey Zealot.
Hit and run tactics, manual piloting, in small gangs.
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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
709
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:46:00 -
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Depends lol... are you in a fleet? what are they running?
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:57:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Depends lol... are you in a fleet? what are they running?
Nah looking mainly for a solo PVP fit. I think for fleets I'll put together a kitey fleet and use the above-mentioned mwd/scorch kite setup.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:01:00 -
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From the lack of replies the OP should probably conclude the following;
- zealot is very limited in use, it's very good at what it does but that's about it
- using one solo generally is a recipe for disaster, it's a fleet ship really
- if you do try it solo or small gang it's certainly not a "I'm kinda new to this all, I just trained this so lets try and use it" ship
Because it's a fleet ship people will be using standardised fleet fits and as such there is a "if you have to ask, you shouldn't use one" going on.
If you want to use it solo, don't
if you want to use it in a small gang there's probably better ships for that
if you want to use it in a fleet ask your FC or check your corp fittings
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
52
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:08:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:From the lack of replies the OP should probably conclude the following;
- zealot is very limited in use, it's very good at what it does but that's about it
- using one solo generally is a recipe for disaster, it's a fleet ship really
- if you do try it solo or small gang it's certainly not a "I'm kinda new to this all, I just trained this so lets try and use it" ship
Because it's a fleet ship people will be using standardised fleet fits and as such there is a "if you have to ask, you shouldn't use one" going on.
If you want to use it solo, don't
if you want to use it in a small gang there's probably better ships for that
if you want to use it in a fleet ask your FC or check your corp fittings
Well it wasn't what I wanted to hear but it's honest. Once again I find myself regretting going Amarr to start with. 
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Gregor Parud
361
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:19:00 -
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Amarr as a whole can solo a whole lot better than it used to but still, overall, they're more a teamwork thing. There are exceptions, their T1 frigs are quite good and one of the inties is a beast, cruisers and faction cruiser are also really good (Navy Omen is quite amazing).
The real issue is that aiming for bling or T2 ships isn't going to give you victories, it's not like other MMOs where better gear will automatically get you wins. Until a pilot gets a better understanding of how stuff really works in EVE there's no point in throwing bigger or more expensive ships at the problem. |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:19:00 -
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for solo action you might want to take a look into the Omen Navy Issue ;) You do not need the HAC skill, but ... yeah just take a look. Could be worth and as that solo-PvP-Stuff seems to be somehow new for you, you can afford 2 ONI instead of 1 Zealot |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
52
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:33:00 -
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Alright thanks, both of you. I actually already have an ONI so I'll play around with it. Good point, tis certainly cheaper then the Zealot. Guess I'll go throw a few of those around and hopefully learn from the failures (and hopefully have some successes.)
My main issue is that almost all of my PVP experience has either been small-gang roams, gatecamps, or mid-sized Bombers Bar / Spectre Fleet ops. I want to get more into solo PVP, especially since I keep off hours lol. Any further suggestions on how/where to learn more would be greatly appreciated.
In the meantime, will EFT what I THINK will be some good ONI fits and see how they work in practice
Thanks again o7
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Gregor Parud
363
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:38:00 -
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For solo PVP you should probably start in frigates, partly because they're relatively cheap but also because they're really powerful and fun, they also teach you a whole lot more about PVP. Executioner and Tormentor are really good frigates, Punisher is also quite good but it's less versatile and very obvious in its strategy. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
52
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:58:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:For solo PVP you should probably start in frigates, partly because they're relatively cheap but also because they're really powerful and fun, they also teach you a whole lot more about PVP. Executioner and Tormentor are really good frigates, Punisher is also quite good but it's less versatile and very obvious in its strategy.
Great, thanks for that tip! My only REAL frig experience was missions in my younger days (in a Punisher, lol,) and a little minnie experience on a FW alt that I havent done much at all with, but this is my main/highest SP toon so I wanna utilize him. I have good gunnery skills so Ive got something to build on. Will check out Exec and Tormentor and start my education. Thanks again!
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
873
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:48:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Depends lol... are you in a fleet? what are they running? Nah looking mainly for a solo PVP fit. I think for fleets I'll put together a kitey fleet and use the above-mentioned mwd/scorch kite setup.
Then you want a kiting navy omen.
Zealot will disappoint you as a solo boat and losing a HAC to a solo frig will get you mocked by your corp mates.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Aisha Shimaya
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:28:00 -
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If you've got decent missile skills and want to fly a HAC, consider the Sacrilege.
It's a ship much more adapted to solo and small group.
With their missiles uninpacted by tracking and their number of mid slot, Khanid ship are more versatile than their pure laser Amarr T2 counterpart. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:05:00 -
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Amarr + Solo = Curse or Pilgrim.
Curse for hit-n-run tactics
Pilgrim for ruining a ratter/mission runner's day
Vacuums suck. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:39:00 -
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The Omen Navy Issue is the solo version of the Zealot. Faster, cheaper, drones and a neutralizer. |
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