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Kitten Mittens
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:40:00 -
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Hello. During a time of pondering on the meaning of life etc whilst playing eve. I remarked upon a startling discovery, whilst watching a 6 man gang of CVA arbitrators passing through my system (not my internal one) I was just realising the startling similarities between the way the Amarr are portrayed and the activities of the Klu Klux Klan. Think about it, both organisations are driven by 'God' so to speak, both persecute others for belonging to a certain race. It just shocks me to think of what goes through the minds of some of the more hard-core roleplayers sometimes when they are doing this what is essentially genocide in a virtual world ? 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:42:00 -
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Amarrs are just religious fanatics. There isnt anything wrong with them except for praying to God 3 times a day, teaching slaves about God 24 hours a day and spread God's good will. It is just a theme.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:45:00 -
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You can find somthing offensive about nearly anything in eve or real life if you are determined to look for it. It doesn't mean somone intended it to be that way but rather you have a somewhat cynical out look on things.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Reash
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:44:00 -
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You'd actually be quite suprised, most of the people id consider "hardcore" roleplayers are Athiest. I'd start to worry if i was anything like my char in game is =p
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.05.03 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2006 22:48:02
This wins the most retarded post of the week award.
Congratulations.
Respect the Domi. Or else.
SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
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Wheya
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Wheya on 03/05/2006 23:11:48
First I was trying a quick reply but while I was writing I realized it's not that easy to give an answer. Of course I could say it's only a game and in a PvP game there need to be people in a red team and others in a blue team. I have just chosen the blue team. It's not a bad answer but when I think about it there is more than just joining the blue team.
Of course there are many 'roleplayers' who only join the blue team to be able to fight the red team. That's ok.
Others dig deeper and some of them don't like what they find. This topic is complex. To make it short I say: slavery, religion, amarrian tradition etc are hot topics among (amarrian) roleplayers and there are very different opinions. I know amarrian roleplayers who were shocked when the shortstory 'Theodicy' was published because they have had a very different view on slavery in Amarr.
I have chosen the blue team, the side of Amarr because it's the opposite of what I am in RL. I have always thought the Amarr are the bad ones. They not only view themself as superior and as Gods chosen people who enslave other races, their caste system is also cruel against their very own people, against those who are not wealhty holders. So I always tried to be evil and tried to justify this evil like such an evil person would do -> I am playing a role. N.azis are a source for many of my ideas. To me Theodicy is only the tip of the iceberg.
In RL I am neither religious (I think religion is and will stay the source of the biggest crimes in mankind) nor do I have slaves or support slavery. I started to roleplay such a fanatical religious Amarr 3 years ago because it seemed to be more interesting to play the opposite of what I am in RL. I can say it is interesting. Very often when I wrote some stuff in the intergalactic summit I have thought to myself 'you can not write such things' but I had to because of my role.
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It just shocks me to think of what goes through the minds of some of the more hard-core roleplayers sometimes when they are doing this what is essentially genocide in a virtual world ?
Horror. You face the horror of such cruelity even more when you are forced to roleplay and to justify the actions of the bad ones. As a Minmatar all you have to do is to say slavery is bad (of course many Minmatar grow deeper into their role, too). All you have to do is to use the arguments you hear in every second tv show in the afternoon. You can play yourself. As an Amarr you must think about the cruelity in all details otherwise you can't play that role. You must find arguments to justify this evil even if everything inside you tells you that's just wrong. It is a great experience between heaven and hell. Eve would be a very different experience if I would play myself and join the Minmatar. Poor people who can only see Eve as some kind of space shooter and miss the backgroundstory and the experience of roleplay completly.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Shere on 03/05/2006 23:12:43
Originally by: Krulla
Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2006 22:48:02
This wins the most retarded post of the week award.
Congratulations.
And you win the "Lamest attempt at troll ever" award.
Oh lord, the hypocrisy in my post.
Anyway, the races, or factions, both represent some side of a political spectrum. Gallente would be liberal, Amarr the religious conservatives, Minmatar the rebellious bunch and Caldari the guys with ugly ships.
Roleplayers just play along.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 04/05/2006 00:00:38
Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2006 23:59:59
Originally by: Shere
Edited by: Shere on 03/05/2006 23:12:43
Originally by: Krulla
Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2006 22:48:02
This wins the most retarded post of the week award.
Congratulations.
And you win the "Lamest attempt at troll ever" award.
Oh lord, the hypocrisy in my post.
Anyway, the races, or factions, both represent some side of a political spectrum. Gallente would be liberal, Amarr the religious conservatives, Minmatar the rebellious bunch and Caldari the guys with ugly ships.
Roleplayers just play along.
It's not a troll.
No really. Comparing amarr roleplayers to Ku Klux Klan?
If the Amarr are like any historical faction, they would be the colonial British Empire. They are expansionist, self-righteous, are big on slavery, look down on those they subjugate, have royal class which dominates the society, etc.
Does that make every amarr RPer a fanatically religous, racist ****? No.
Respect the Domi. Or else.
SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:04:00 -
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I guess I need to go buy some white sheets now...
Seriously, it's a game. Just because I hate the Minmatar's and think they deserve to be enslaved ingame doesn't mean I'm sympathetic to the ***. 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:35:00 -
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If you're going to compare EVE factions to completely unrelated Earth entities, then Amarr are a cross between the Byzantines and the Persions, Caldari are Japanese, Gallente are French, and Minmatar are various assorted tribal peoples.
We've had long, long discussions about this in the Library.
Honestly, the Klan? That's ridiculous.
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2006.05.04 01:07:00 -
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I'm quite obviously an Amarr Rp'er in game as the authorities in the real world wont allow me to pull of my cloak wearing, cross burning slave trading fetishes in where I live.
Besides, we don't commit genocide and have no plans to eradicate entire races. We only want to bring them into gods light, even if that does mean slapping them in chains and treating them like cattle until they are enlightened.
PS: Funnily enough, I don't have any cross burning tendancies. Nor do I wish to exterminate the Jewish, or form my very own Dictatorial government based on fear and violence. I'm a nasty piece of work in the game but am blessed with the ability to differentiate between a fantasy existance where no harm is actually done to people, and real life where a certain amount of tolerance and respect is required.
In conclusion, most moronic topic of the day. Congratulations!
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Wheya
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:10:00 -
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Idonis Ardishapur annihilated the Starkmanir. This is genocide from my point of view and it had many sympathy within the Amarr Empire. Many Amarrians saw Idonis Ardishapur as the next Messiah (according to the no longer existing old background info). Genocide is a part of amarrian history but not every amarrian roleplayer must support genocide ingame.
Of course not everyone in the USA sympathizes with *** and not every Amarrian sympathizes with the actions of Idonis Ardishapur. Tensions between liberal and conservative fractions inside the Amarr Empire exist. We have had examples in the backgroundstory when Tetrimon attacked the convoy of freed slaves from Doriam before he became Emperor or when Sarum forces stood face to face against the Amarr Empire Navy after the succession of Doriam.
Racism is also a topic within the Amarr Empire. Example: the Heir status of Tash-Murkon who are Udorians but not true Amarr was questioned by Uriam Kador because of the udorian ancestry. We know true Amarrians have a great sense for ancestry. Ni-Kunni do the jobs Amarrians frown upon etc. Racism is a part of amarrian roleplay but not every amarrian roleplayer must play a racist ingame.
Same about slavery. Doriam made a new law for better treatment of slaves. Slavery is a part of amarrian roleplay but not every amarrian roleplayer most play a slaver who mistreats his slaves badly ingame.
There is a difference between amarrian roleplayers who support the more liberal houses like Kor-Azor and those who support the more hardline houses like Sarum. There are Amarrians who want to burn Pax Amarria and there are those who want to accomplish the dream of Heideran - eternal peace throughout the galaxy.
No matter what kind of Amarr you roleplay ingame. Your actions ingame have nothing to do with your opinion regarding genocide, racism, religion and slavery in RL.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya
...As a Minmatar all you have to do is to say slavery is bad...
It could also be argued that as an Amarr all you have to do is trade slaves and call any Matari you come across a stupid monkey (which in my personal experience is the sum of Amarr RP). Playing the Amarr you have a fairly regimented society and your role is clarly laid out for you. As a Matari you don't have any such restrictions which is a blessing but for some the lack of guidelines can make it hard.
At the end of the day these are all just roles we play and from that perspective I would say the Amarr have a easier time of it as their role is so clearly defined for them. Playing an 'evil' character is no reflection on the player. It could even be seen as a healty way of facing the natural dark tendacies us humans are known for. Bottom line is our characters are our creations but they are not us. Who didn't want to be Darth Vader in the playground from time to time? 
As for the historial references I alway felt the Amarr reminded me of early Arab slavers around the Mediteranean and Spanish coast. They would forcibly convert people they captured to Islam and sell them in the slave markets of north Africa. Some of the system names also remind me of the Ottoman Empire. The Amarr are also fans of cutting off hands much like Sharia punishments (see the Pet Furrier chron).
Setting aside the names and hand chopping there are some similarities between the Amarr and the Roman Empire. Although in the case of the Romans they would bend their religious beliefs to fit new territories and in many ways their form of slavery was probably closer to being a working class / caste. In the Roman Empire a slave could earn money to purchase his freedom and become a citizen himself.
All in all I reckon between the two the Amarr are more like the Ottomans than the Romans due to the heavy mono-theastic drive but of course inspiration for such things comes from many sources.
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Hitomi Ayame
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:29:00 -
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Honestly? Some times it's just fun to play the bad guy.
Seriously. I'd imagine nobody is exactly like their character in-game. Amarr RPers, if anything, have a tougher job than, say, the Gallente RPers, because we have to pretend to be something so very different from ourselves. But that's also part of the fun.
In addition to playing videogames, I also like to act. No, I love to act. Know who my two favorite roles to play are? Macbeth and Iago. In many movies, plays, novels, games, whatever, the bad guys often have the best lines. The bad guys are often the "coolest" or most interesting characters. (Iago, for example, is clearly the most intriguing character in that play...Othello, Desdemona, Casio all pale in comparison to a well played Iago. And Macbeth? He just dominates the stage.) But even more than that, the bad guys are often the most challenging to play and play well. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Besides, without us baddies, who would the good guys fight?
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Xtopherus
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Posted - 2006.05.04 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Xtopherus on 04/05/2006 04:50:50
Actually from the in game backstory I thought the Amarrians were catholics.
I was also thinking of the other races as:
Caldari - American/Asian
Gallente - Frenchies
Minmatar - Latino/African
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xtopherus
Actually from the in game backstory I thought the Amarrians were catholics.
Apparently "catholic" is from the Greek "katolicos" and just means "universal", not anything to do with Roman Catholicism, the Pope, or any of that.
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.05.04 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hitomi Ayame
Honestly? Some times it's just fun to play the bad guy.
Bad guys? Whoa there, the Amarr are the good guys here. The Minnies are the evil terrorists...
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 05:20:00 -
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Everybody is the "bad guy" in EVE.
Everybody.
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Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Everybody is the "bad guy" in EVE.
Everybody.
Except me of course. 
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Red Knight
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Posted - 2006.05.04 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
blah blah blah amazing domi sig
This is totally off topic, but you sir make the dominix look both intimidating and asthetically pleasing! Holy crap man you've given me pride in my ugly BS again. Bet the guys with mega sigs are drooling now... |
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.04 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 04/05/2006 07:43:26
The people playing murderers and criminals are also like this in real life? Is that what your saying? Are you saying that actors in movies are also like their characters in real life? Do you worry about Robert de Niro and whats running through his mind when he acts his parts?
Roleplay is about taking on a persona in VIRTUAL environment and acting the part. If you cannot seperate the two then you have serious mental issues.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:30:00 -
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I beleive that a large proportion of RPers, particularly the Amarrian ones, actually have quite liberal views.
At any rate, I don't think that any of us are pro-slavery in RL!
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AbraKadaver
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:59:00 -
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Cant you see this is a **** take ? ? ? ?
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Nelson Vandermark
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Posted - 2006.05.05 07:54:00 -
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RPers are pretty cool thoe. plus cva has alot of nice tech 2 bpos ;)
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