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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:25:00 -
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Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
Really Dradius, you should be ashamed or just admit a lack of candor...
"1) It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"2) Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"3) Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"4) Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"5) Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
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Then you conclude that :
" More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null."
which is a total "non sequitur" completely disconnected logically from your initial points.
Then you leave a video which may or may not be "posed" by actors.
You'll have to do much better than that to attract highsec dwellers.
Oh yes and did i say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?
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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:44:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
Really Dradius, you should be ashamed or just admit a lack of candor...
"1) It is impossible to move through null sec because every single gate is constantly camped."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"2) Null Sec PVP is nothing but blobs."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"3) Null Sec PVPers are just looking for ganks, not good fights."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"4) Living in Null Sec takes a huge amount of time and complete abandonment of real life."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
"5) Living in Null Sec requires years of SP training time in order to accomplish anything."
True, but you will likely be BBQ if you aren't "blue".
__________
Then you conclude that :
" More than anything else, living in Null Sec requires that you are capable of setting goals for your self, and are willing to put in the effort required to reach them. (Note: Effort != Time) People who do not do well with out some sort of structure always guiding them in the one "correct" direction will not do well in Null."
which is a total "non sequitur" completely disconnected logically from your initial points.
Then you leave a video which may or may not be "posed" by actors.
You'll have to do much better than that to attract highsec dwellers.
Oh yes and did I remember to say that if you go to zero and you are not "blue" you will likely be BBQ?  You forgot to point out that every day the people that spend significant amounts of time in null sec, whether they are part of a null sec corp or not, run into countless people that are not blue. Amazingly they manage to survive and accomplish their goals without dying every day, otherwise they would not be able to afford to live there or go there often. Obviously the easiest way to learn the ropes in null sec is to join a decent null sec corp and benefit from your corp mates experience and help. Going solo and hoping to accomplish anything of note is difficult (but not impossible) anywhere in the EVE universe. The only people that cannot survive in null sec are either those that don't have the experience to do so yet, or those that refuse to believe (despite all evidence to the contrary) that it can be done. I'm wondering which of those two camps you belong to. 
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My main is the third kind, the kind that spends half his time in zero and half his time in highsec, doing quite well in both thank you, while Comrade spreads the good news about your kind. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
I'm equally curious why people like you seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers not to risk Zero.
Malcanis:
I'm not trying to keep highsec dwellers out of zero. CCP has done a good job of that without my help. I am criticizing CCP's game mechanics that are not conducive to new players subscribing to Eve and staying to compete in Zero because of compelling game content.
If CCP wants to re-energize Eve and Zero they need to do several things:
1) Eliminate or severly reduce warp bubble effectiveness. If a players have to spend a year just to figure out how to get past the front door, is anyone surprised when they quit in less than six months?
2) Get rid of the "Local" channel. Why do we have scanners??
3) Provide POS with a claoking module. We cloak ships.. why not POS? Perhaps have the cloak go down to leave and enter.
4) Revamp Corporate mechanisms to provide for clear, transparent, and systematic distribution of Corporate earnings to Corporate members based on rules set by the CEO and Directors that can not be "manipulated" by the leadership. Make in-game auditing a reality. Then fix the problems with stock share system and start an Eve stock market which will be possible once the Corporate book keeping is legitimized.
5) Do not allow any static resource sources to exist for any length of time, make thm all depletable and randomly respawning in size and time, and require them to be "discovered".
Do this and Eve will come alive again. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:18:00 -
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Elrich Kouvo wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Elrich Kouvo wrote:
So its all about the isk for you? don't you find patrols a bit tedious?
No, it seemed to be all about the isk for you the way you talk about "instantly turning profit". As for the patrol - Patrol = looking for a fight. And yes, I enjoy it. Well good for you. I find patrols rather tedious. You know if you are so elite why don't you own your own corp?
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He can't.. the zero mechanics don't support it. Outside of his Zero Plantation, he be toast in just a matter of time. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:24:00 -
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Seatox wrote:Elrich Kouvo wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Elrich Kouvo wrote:
So its all about the isk for you? don't you find patrols a bit tedious?
No, it seemed to be all about the isk for you the way you talk about "instantly turning profit". As for the patrol - Patrol = looking for a fight. And yes, I enjoy it. Well good for you. I find patrols rather tedious. You know if you are so elite why don't you own your own corp? Because managing a proper 0.0 corporation in a proper 0.0 alliance is a hell of a lot of work? It's not just "push button, set tax rate, profit lol", like in highsec. You actually have to organize people, do diplomacy on a regular basis, work with allies, manage morale, hunt spies, and probably a bunch of other things. I, for one, am happy being a footsoldier for other people, because I doubt I could handle the paperwork.
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You for one are happy to be a Droog who has settled for the crumbs off the table while the leadership parties on.
Sort of like one of those dogs you see in movies about feudal times where the Lords and Ladies throw you scrapsfrom the feast table.
How Quaint... Glad you find that entertaining. I'm sure your masters do too. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Just curious why you people seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers to risk Zero?
I'm equally curious why people like you seem so desperate to convince highsec dwellers not to risk Zero. Malcanis: I'm not trying to keep highsec dwellers out of zero. CCP has done a good job of that without my help. I am criticizing CCP's game mechanics that are not conducive to new players subscribing to Eve and staying to compete in Zero because of compelling game content. If CCP wants to re-energize Eve and Zero they need to do several things: 1) Eliminate or severly reduce warp bubble effectiveness. If a players have to spend a year just to figure out how to get past the front door, is anyone surprised when they quit in less than six months? Hey, if you don't like warp bubbles, why aren't you mining and missioning in lo-sec? With the increased rewards over hi-sec, and no nasty warp bubbles to spoil everything, not to mention freely available NPC stations all over the place, it's a paradise for the individual player! The huge numbers of non-aligned players making a living in bubble-free lo-sec space are surely a testament to the workability of your argument! EDIT: BTW I moved to 0.0 when i was less than 3 months into EVE. Please don't make up random statistics to "support" your argument.
Mal:
I too was in Cloud Ring within 3 months of starting Eve in 2005. So what? How does that fact change the barriers that keep new players from joining in the zero fray in ways that will motivate them to stay subscribed and not quit out of boredom or frustration?Mining in losec? Surely you jest. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:29:00 -
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Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:31:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:Why wouldn't people mne in lo-sec? After all, it's bubbles that keep people out of 0.0, and there are no bubbles in lo-sec. So surely people barred from 0.0 should be flocking to lo-sec right?
Indeed. I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with being risk adverse, unwilling or unable to maintain a minimal amount of situational awareness, unwilling or unable to cooperate with other players, or a lack of combat or combat evasion experience. I'll have to get back to Low Sec again soon, it must be a paradise now.
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and your ability to do so is due only to your "Leet E-PEENess"... I'm certain of that.  |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec?
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No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ.
You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:13:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege.
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and it is working as the Alliance Leadeship intended.... |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:15:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Klandi wrote:I only have a single issue with Null sec ... cost
It is a player run environment which means that you are taxed to buggery and beyond to sustain your alliance - but why should an alliance need so much money - cap and ship reimbursement programs.... right....
My main has been in 3 "real" alliances and in each I had to pay between 15-20% OVER jita prices for ships and mods with the excuse sry reason given that it costs a lot to get the mods to me in null-sec.
Null sec may help the wallet in terms of bounties from rats and other sources, but you have to bleed isk for the privilege. Honestly, how bad is a 15% tax when you only have to buy combat ships once, ever, and you're set for life? Seriously. Space Communism, it just works.
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and this is "The Great Lie" of Zero stated by a member of the Mother of All Lies (considering the Father of All Lies is the Goons). |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:24:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. and what do you want next? - cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics. - cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode? Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny..... 
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and your complete inability to comprehend what I've said is either the results of low I.Q. or just plain obstinance.
Probably both. I spend half my time in zero doing what I do and survive quite nicely (including paying for PLEX with isk that I have screwed out of dullard zero dwellers such as yourself). Your hyperboe twisting of my suggestions to increase the flow of new bolld to zero and Eve subscriptions fails. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:24:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. and what do you want next? - cloaked freighters with 0 seconds warp time? Don't forget: 0.0 corporation does heavy logistics. - cloaked ratting ships to run anomalies in cloaked mode? Your complete lack of understanding live in 0.0 makes your posts funny.....
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and your complete inability to comprehend what I've said is either the results of low I.Q. or just plain obstinance.
Probably both. I spend half my time in zero doing what I do and survive quite nicely (including paying for PLEX with isk that I have screwed out of dullard zero dwellers such as yourself). Your hyperbole twisting of my suggestions to increase the flow of new bolld to zero and Eve subscriptions fails. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Malcanis:
Don't understand why you are fixated on mining?
The people I am talking about are highsec dwellers that would like to try to build a POS in zero and survive there in their Corporation. Mining only plays a part of that picture. And again, surely they're doing that in lo-sec? ************ No they aren't are they. And you seem to think that it has nothing to do with the hot drop that will visit them for LULZ. You know maybe if you read the rest of my posts instead of trying to nitpick them you would know that I also said CCP needed to get rid of local chat and provide cloaks for POS so small Corps could have a chance at surviving for longer than the time it takes to light a cyno. Ah, so now it's hot drops. OK well what's the best way to deter hot drops by trapping them in place so they can be countered? (hint, it involves T2 destroyers and rhymes with "trouble")
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Your viewpoint is typical of an old Eve Vet who has forgotten what it was to be a new pilot in a new Corp in highsec Eve.
Your inablilty to put yourself in the shoes OF NEW SUBSCRIBERS who do not yet understand either the politcs or sometimes subtle nuances of game mechanics needed to survive and thrive in Eve is the very thing that too many of CCPs developers suffer from. The result is low retention fo new subscribers, fewer new pilots joining the fray in zero, and lost potential revenue to CCP.
But feel free to continue your e-peenal diatribes. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:46:00 -
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Please Andski, we know KNOW you're an idiot, but please try to follow the thread and keep up.
We were discussing LOWSEC... not highsec. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:pardon me, but you were replying to a post about hotdrops with some drivel about this game's pitiful retention of new players (which has more to do with the game being terrible than ~bittervets~)
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Hot drops in LOWSEC for LULZ....
Please Andski, we understand that you are somewhat deficient in reading comprehension, but if you are going to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way, you really do need to read each word in the sentences. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:although I can't discount the possibility that you're outright insane and consider your opinions to be shared by far more people than in reality
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If you weren't afraid that many in this game and in CCP's halls might agree with what I say,
you wouldn't be spending so much of your time disputing me.
Unless, of course, you're just a troll.
http://trololololololololololo.com/ |
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