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Stonyvision	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Stonyvision on 07/05/2006 12:30:15 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2107882211 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Bjoern Bitter Session started: 2006.05.07 04:06:01 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2006.05.07 04:06:20 ] CYVOK > whats up [ 2006.05.07 04:06:34 ] Bjoern Bitter > <-- Tribal Souls Diplomat [ 2006.05.07 04:06:48 ] CYVOK > yup [ 2006.05.07 04:07:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > I need to talk with you about the merger option -> is it still on the table? [ 2006.05.07 04:07:18 ] CYVOK > maybe [ 2006.05.07 04:08:46 ] Bjoern Bitter > may I be frank? [ 2006.05.07 04:08:52 ] CYVOK > always [ 2006.05.07 04:10:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > I don't like the position we're in and I want to improve relations and talk with you about our options. you said "tribe should play ball" well I'm playing ball. [ 2006.05.07 04:11:11 ] CYVOK > I think the ball was hit thru and broke the window [ 2006.05.07 04:11:29 ] Bjoern Bitter > I heard ascn has decided to attack and take paragon by force. [ 2006.05.07 04:11:33 ] CYVOK > Their will be an official post on EvE-O in abotu 12 hours [ 2006.05.07 04:11:40 ] Bjoern Bitter > rgr [ 2006.05.07 04:11:52 ] Bjoern Bitter > so you're saying the merger offer is off then? [ 2006.05.07 04:11:54 ] CYVOK > 24 hours after that (or as soon as it is posted) [ 2006.05.07 04:12:00 ] CYVOK > we can talk option [ 2006.05.07 04:12:09 ] CYVOK > merger is not off the table [ 2006.05.07 04:12:19 ] CYVOK > but we woudl not want all the current corps in Tribe [ 2006.05.07 04:12:29 ] Bjoern Bitter > what corps would you want? [ 2006.05.07 04:12:35 ] CYVOK > we would not be oposed to allowing them to live inthe region peacefully [ 2006.05.07 04:12:52 ] CYVOK > but I really dont want to talk abotu it untill tomorrow [ 2006.05.07 04:13:39 ] Bjoern Bitter > I need to know as I am the official Tribal Souls diplomat [ 2006.05.07 04:13:55 ] Bjoern Bitter > I need to get everyone together and talk about this [ 2006.05.07 04:15:16 ] CYVOK > I have to take a better look [ 2006.05.07 04:15:34 ] CYVOK > this information leek has moved up are time table quite a bit [ 2006.05.07 04:15:42 ] CYVOK > and killed our other option [ 2006.05.07 04:15:58 ] CYVOK > the non-military solution [ 2006.05.07 04:16:16 ] CYVOK > the friendly over time assimiliation [ 2006.05.07 04:16:17 ] Bjoern Bitter > why is that? [ 2006.05.07 04:16:39 ] CYVOK > because 50% of tribe is so ****ed now they will never trust me as their leader [ 2006.05.07 04:17:01 ] CYVOK > the vote was not a stright up "go to war" [ 2006.05.07 04:17:24 ] CYVOK > it was a "what if" we are forced [ 2006.05.07 04:17:36 ] Bjoern Bitter > m8 you said eventual merger or war. there's no option for us there. [ 2006.05.07 04:17:51 ] CYVOK > not much of one [ 2006.05.07 04:17:58 ] Bjoern Bitter > what about paragon? what about all our hard work here? [ 2006.05.07 04:18:04 ] Bjoern Bitter > we built this alliance from nothing [ 2006.05.07 04:18:24 ] Bjoern Bitter > I don't want to leave Paragon. [ 2006.05.07 04:18:53 ] Bjoern Bitter > and do you really want to live next to BoB without a buffer region? [ 2006.05.07 04:19:01 ] CYVOK > yes [ 2006.05.07 04:19:06 ] CYVOK > thats the point [ 2006.05.07 04:19:10 ] CYVOK > Tribe is to week [ 2006.05.07 04:19:18 ] CYVOK > to even be a buffer [ 2006.05.07 04:19:30 ] CYVOK > If BoB gave you a choice to die or join [ 2006.05.07 04:19:35 ] CYVOK > you would join [ 2006.05.07 04:19:54 ] CYVOK > ASCN has the ability to build Paragon into a fortress [ 2006.05.07 04:21:21 ] Stonyvision > so i take it merging is out of the option now [ 2006.05.07 04:21:27 ] Bjoern Bitter > looks like it stony [ 2006.05.07 04:21:34 ] Bjoern Bitter > give me 5 minutes
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:32:00 - [2] Posting private convo's ftw Stony... once again you are showing off your fantastic leadership abilities.
Eleese	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:33:00 - [3] well about bloody time ascn dec'd TS :) only about 3 months late Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Stonyvision	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:34:00 - [4]
Stonyvision	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:36:00 - [5] [ 2006.05.07 04:21:20 ] Stonyvision > so i take it merging is out of the option now [ 2006.05.07 04:21:28 ] Bjoern Bitter > looks like it stony [ 2006.05.07 04:21:35 ] Bjoern Bitter > give me 5 minutes [ 2006.05.07 04:21:48 ] Stonyvision > cyvok can i ask you why you wan tot invade paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:21:50 ] Stonyvision > let us be m8 [ 2006.05.07 04:21:57 ] Stonyvision > we will pull out of esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:22:01 ] Stonyvision > you guys can have it all [ 2006.05.07 04:22:06 ] Stonyvision > but leave us our space [ 2006.05.07 04:22:47 ] Stonyvision > you there dude [ 2006.05.07 04:22:53 ] CYVOK > yes [ 2006.05.07 04:23:09 ] CYVOK > not going to happen that way [ 2006.05.07 04:23:10 ] Stonyvision > so why wont you let us give you guys all of esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:23:22 ] Stonyvision > and why did yu lie about merging [ 2006.05.07 04:23:30 ] Stonyvision > i asked about a merger 2 days ago [ 2006.05.07 04:23:40 ] Stonyvision > what right does ascn have to paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:23:47 ] Stonyvision > i understand eso is all of ascn [ 2006.05.07 04:23:51 ] Stonyvision > that i understand [ 2006.05.07 04:24:18 ] Stonyvision > paragon has been stc's for over 2 years [ 2006.05.07 04:24:43 ] CYVOK > I just explained that to Bjoern [ 2006.05.07 04:24:55 ] Stonyvision > well i think you could explain to me [ 2006.05.07 04:25:08 ] Stonyvision > as a friend i think you shuld at least consider staying out of paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:26:03 ] CYVOK > war was a last option if Tribe refused to ever consider a merger [ 2006.05.07 04:26:15 ] Stonyvision > i mailed 2 days ago saying i wanted to [ 2006.05.07 04:26:18 ] CYVOK > the time frame we months [ 2006.05.07 04:26:27 ] CYVOK > we =was [ 2006.05.07 04:26:33 ] CYVOK > I never got that mail [ 2006.05.07 04:26:35 ] Stonyvision > a week after you told em that [ 2006.05.07 04:26:38 ] CYVOK > I dont think [ 2006.05.07 04:26:41 ] Stonyvision > i told several peopel [ 2006.05.07 04:26:45 ] Stonyvision > ramius [ 2006.05.07 04:27:24 ] Stonyvision > you understand pushing out of our own space will nto make ascn's rep look good, your whole " we arent the aggressors " that will never be taken serious [ 2006.05.07 04:27:44 ] Stonyvision > you are military man, what happened to this whole honor & integritywe live by [ 2006.05.07 04:28:13 ] CYVOK > my honor in this game has gotten me burned every time [ 2006.05.07 04:28:24 ] CYVOK > and I still have it [ 2006.05.07 04:28:33 ] CYVOK > you guys will get plenty of warning [ 2006.05.07 04:28:36 ] CYVOK > and have options [ 2006.05.07 04:28:36 ] Stonyvision > you will not after this move [ 2006.05.07 04:28:49 ] Stonyvision > you gusy have say so over eso [ 2006.05.07 04:28:55 ] CYVOK > for leaving safely, joining ASCN, or living in paragon as citizens [ 2006.05.07 04:28:59 ] Stonyvision > paragon was never and has never been ascn's or cls [ 2006.05.07 04:29:07 ] CYVOK > so [ 2006.05.07 04:29:30 ] Stonyvision > leave us be in paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:29:36 ] Stonyvision > thats all i ask [ 2006.05.07 04:29:47 ] CYVOK > their will be a post on EvE-O in abou 12 hours [ 2006.05.07 04:30:00 ] CYVOK > if your guys attack ASCN before then all cards are off the table [ 2006.05.07 04:30:21 ] Stonyvision > i am a man of integrity you of all should know this [ 2006.05.07 04:30:30 ] CYVOK > I try to be [ 2006.05.07 04:30:40 ] CYVOK > but I look out for the guys I work for [ 2006.05.07 04:30:40 ] CYVOK > also [ 2006.05.07 04:30:47 ] Stonyvision > so what abotu my guys [ 2006.05.07 04:30:52 ] Stonyvision > whats paragon to ascn [ 2006.05.07 04:31:08 ] CYVOK > room to grow [ 2006.05.07 04:31:17 ] Stonyvision > so wtf happens to my alliance [ 2006.05.07 04:31:21 ] CYVOK > place to build a wall [ 2006.05.07 04:31:52 ] CYVOK > as a space holding alliance [ 2006.05.07 04:31:56 ] CYVOK > short term [ 2006.05.07 04:32:00 ] CYVOK > it ceases [ 2006.05.
Stonyvision	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:37:00 - [6] 2006.05.07 04:42:05 ] CYVOK > what I am looking at is a group of players that has sided with whoever had the gun [ 2006.05.07 04:42:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > decide now if you want to talk. [ 2006.05.07 04:42:09 ] Bjoern Bitter > we will talk. [ 2006.05.07 04:42:14 ] Bjoern Bitter > or [ 2006.05.07 04:42:26 ] Bjoern Bitter > decide now if you're going to war. and we will fight. [ 2006.05.07 04:42:29 ] CYVOK > firts SE, then SA, then G [ 2006.05.07 04:42:46 ] Bjoern Bitter > its simple. we are honourable, and will play ball either way [ 2006.05.07 04:42:49 ] Bjoern Bitter > the court is yours. [ 2006.05.07 04:42:55 ] Stonyvision > you know ascn will be alone and will be hit by more thanone group [ 2006.05.07 04:42:58 ] Stonyvision > i dont want this [ 2006.05.07 04:43:11 ] Stonyvision > i want friendship btu if you dont then its up to you [ 2006.05.07 04:43:13 ] CYVOK > then what do you want [ 2006.05.07 04:43:19 ] Stonyvision > take esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:43:23 ] Stonyvision > take it all [ 2006.05.07 04:43:24 ] Bjoern Bitter > we want to keep paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:43:28 ] Stonyvision > thats all [ 2006.05.07 04:43:29 ] Bjoern Bitter > we don't care about esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:43:40 ] CYVOK > suddenly [ 2006.05.07 04:43:42 ] Bjoern Bitter > we just want to live here in paragon for all time. [ 2006.05.07 04:43:58 ] Stonyvision > suddenly you put us in a spot last week [ 2006.05.07 04:44:01 ] CYVOK > after 2 weeks of wanting D-F, C-PEN & IXP [ 2006.05.07 04:44:04 ] Bjoern Bitter > m8 with our options on the table, that's what we are prepared to give up for peace and a guarantee for the future. [ 2006.05.07 04:44:06 ] Stonyvision > i have been discussing options the last 4 days [ 2006.05.07 04:44:29 ] CYVOK > so you keep paragon [ 2006.05.07 04:44:33 ] Bjoern Bitter > yes [ 2006.05.07 04:44:35 ] Stonyvision > and tahst it [ 2006.05.07 04:44:35 ] Bjoern Bitter > that's the deal [ 2006.05.07 04:44:39 ] CYVOK > you going to shut it down? [ 2006.05.07 04:44:43 ] Stonyvision > we do nto want esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:44:48 ] Stonyvision > yes [ 2006.05.07 04:44:48 ] CYVOK > cause right ow it leaks like a sive [ 2006.05.07 04:44:59 ] Stonyvision > well you arent gicing us time [ 2006.05.07 04:45:06 ] Stonyvision > 1 week to lock it down is rough [ 2006.05.07 04:45:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > we'll make paragon into a fortress and will not ever make moves on esoteria again. [ 2006.05.07 04:45:12 ] Bjoern Bitter > you have my word. [ 2006.05.07 04:45:28 ] CYVOK > Tribe has had 6months+ [ 2006.05.07 04:45:30 ] Stonyvision > and you maketh edecision [ 2006.05.07 04:45:37 ] Stonyvision > im not askign abotu past efforts [ 2006.05.07 04:45:40 ] Stonyvision > im askign now [ 2006.05.07 04:45:41 ] Bjoern Bitter > I was not in the position I was 6 months ago Cyvok [ 2006.05.07 04:45:51 ] CYVOK > thats what I am saying [ 2006.05.07 04:45:55 ] CYVOK > its isnt you [ 2006.05.07 04:45:56 ] Bjoern Bitter > I have advised ALL ALONG to give up esoteria [ 2006.05.07 04:46:03 ] Stonyvision > you realize peopel hav elived here before xetic became ascn [ 2006.05.07 04:46:03 ] CYVOK > your memebrs have proven things [ 2006.05.07 04:46:45 ] CYVOK > you know what [ 2006.05.07 04:47:08 ] Bjoern Bitter > do tell [ 2006.05.07 04:47:09 ] CYVOK > I have convos from when you guys were part of SA that Feyth was rightfully yours [ 2006.05.07 04:47:19 ] Stonyvision > nto from me [ 2006.05.07 04:47:29 ] CYVOK > my point is [ 2006.05.07 04:47:34 ] Stonyvision > you gonan judge me form that time when i was only a fleet cmdr [ 2006.05.07 04:48:25 ] Stonyvision > i want you to remember curse allianc em8, when they tried to claim more cuz they thougth they were owed cuz they were more superior and we all united to take them out [ 2006.05.07 04:48:29 ] Stonyvision > and we did crush them [ 2006.05.07 04:48:35 ] Stonyvision > is hat what you want m8 [ 2006.05.07 04:48:3http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2919/stonysig3ye.jpg
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:42:00 - [7] What is this thread supposed to accomplish? Just wondering.. ______________ Pod from above.
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Admiral Pieg What is this thread supposed to accomplish? Just wondering.. Stony has given up on life, he's failed in any sense of the word leader so he is clutching at straws... perhaps feeling that by 'attempting' to shame ASCN he can shift blame when TS finally get's raped.
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:51:00 - [9] I dont really understand why anyone would post logs of themself begging for their alliance's life and for their region? ---:::---
trong	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:52:00 - [10] If ASCN has decided to attack TS, then that's it. Are you trying to say you attempted to prevent war 12 hours before the official declaration on the forums when you've been insolent for over 6 months? And now you're surprised you failed? Just fight the war and stop whinning. You had plenty of time to build up, now prove to the world that you have. If you haven't, take your loss as a man. Eve is a harsh world, as harsh as real life. It's the best prepared with the strongest morale that win wars in real life, and in Eve, and if you are weaker, then you will be crushed.
Eleese	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:56:00 - [11] Hey at least cyvok will be happy.. a convo/thread posted about him which is good publicity for him lol Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:02:00 - [12] I'm tyring to figure out how the conversation kept going after this: Quote: [ 2006.05.07 04:10:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > I don't like the position we're in and I want to improve relations and talk with you about our options. you said "tribe should play ball" well I'm playing ball. [ 2006.05.07 04:11:11 ] CYVOK > I think the ball was hit thru and broke the window - History of the MC movie!
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Seleene I'm tyring to figure out how the conversation kept going after this: Quote: [ 2006.05.07 04:10:07 ] Bjoern Bitter > I don't like the position we're in and I want to improve relations and talk with you about our options. you said "tribe should play ball" well I'm playing ball. [ 2006.05.07 04:11:11 ] CYVOK > I think the ball was hit thru and broke the window Thou shalt be dispatched.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:06:00 - [14] posting private convos ftl. but i am pleased to see tribals past actions have been noticed and they are paying for it now: Quote: CYVOK > what I am looking at is a group of players that has sided with whoever had the gun CYVOK > firts SE, then SA, then G Quote: CYVOK > thats the point [ 2006.05.07 04:19:10 ] CYVOK > Tribe is to week [ 2006.05.07 04:19:18 ] CYVOK > to even be a buffer [ 2006.05.07 04:19:30 ] CYVOK > If BoB gave you a choice to die or join [ 2006.05.07 04:19:35 ] CYVOK > you would join _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Bass	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:06:00 - [15] Great diplomatic skills, trying to work for a peaceful resolution so you go and post this on eve-o. n1
Coupo	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:14:00 - [16] intresting times afoot? - I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:14:00 - [17] My god.. what weaklings. TS is the equivalent of a hoarding dragon, sitting on treasure that no one wants. Nobody cares how long you've been there, or what history you have. You're not strong enough to hold a region, as evidenced by the shameful display of begging and forum plea for sympathy. I was impartial to the whole thing, but now I hope they annihilate every last one of you. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:15:00 - [18] to BB: mate, i actually deeply and sincerely feel sorry for you. you've worked hard there and i know you're not the only one but such is life. chin up. to TS: you shouldn't have taken the pub. the beer gods are punishing you. you get what you deserve. [ANZAC Pub barman]LAST DRINKS !! [/ANZAC Pub barman]
Smith	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:23:00 - [19] What do you hope to achieve by posting this particular convo? Its like shooting yourself in the head. Posting this has more than likley sealed your fate and of all your pilots. Glad you are not my boss.
Spoon Fed	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:45:00 - [20] Congradulation, you just upgraded your death trip ticket to express, enjoy it. I feel sorry for the TS guys having this kind of leaders.
Crucifier	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:46:00 - [21] All i can say is you got what you diserved
Gyro DuAquin1	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:47:00 - [22] I bet that ts alliance numbers will drop within the next 12hours.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:48:00 - [23] Quote: [ 2006.05.07 04:31:17 ] Stonyvision > so wtf happens to my alliance [ 2006.05.07 04:31:56 ] CYVOK > short term [ 2006.05.07 04:32:00 ] CYVOK > it ceases
Roule	Posted - 2006.05.07 13:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Spoon Fed Congradulation, you just upgraded your death trip ticket to express, enjoy it. I feel sorry for the TS guys having this kind of leaders. Am guessing tribe alt? Go on ASCN
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:01:00 - [25] edit ftl :( Carrier & Fighter Sales
Extreme	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:04:00 - [26] Stonyvision 4TL ! . .
Ifni	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:11:00 - [27] http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=334566#4796107 Theres a cache of the thread. It's your turn to die.
Matthew Munro	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 I bet that ts alliance numbers will drop within the next 12hours. I don't know why people do that, I mean at it's our space, we should fight to defend it, I'm here to the bitter end.
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Ifni http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=334566#4796107 Theres a cache of the thread. ahh the good old cache. good on you Matt. have fun mate.
Bjoern Bitter	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:15:00 - [30] Moderators please lock / delete this flame-filled thread. Regardless of any history or actions or chat logs the reality of the situation is this: Cyvok asked us merger or war. We chose war after exhausting all options. We do not lightly go to war with allies. If anyone has questions regarding the situation please evemail or convo me directly. Keep in mind there is more than one side to every story. To ASCN - see you on the field of battle. It will be a glorious fight. Bjoern Bitter Tribal Souls Diplomat

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