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Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:12:00 - [1] Note - this is not a whine about pirates existing in game. I wouldnt play EVE is there werent pirates. This IS a complaint about forum attitudes and stupid posts. Pirates steal and kill. That is bad. You may be a pirate in game and be a good person IRL, or you may be a jerk IRL. It doesnt matter. For the purpose of the game you are bad. Its utterly stupid to come to the forum and rationalize your pirate actions(the interation in all but the RP forum, is a real life interaction.) It just as dumb as if you wrote a book saying bank robbers and murders are ok, because people should have been more careful. So if you want to come to the forum and talk about the mechanics of being a pirate thats cool, we all want to talk about the game. If you want to come here and argue for your in game ethics - thats stupid. When you steal and murder/pod you are roleplaying a bad guy - accept it. Wherever you went - here you are.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:15:00 - [2] This should be in the pirate forum to get more fun replies. --- The Eve Wiki Project

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Jim McGregor This should be in the pirate forum to get more fun replies. No, I don't think so. [Read the Rules!] - [Contact us]

Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2006 17:20:46 Pirates being bad is a relative statement. Remember that if you RP, you RP your values too. In a universe with the history of the one we play in, the differences in value systems could well have gotten greatly differnt and larger then in our RL. So no, when being a pirate you are not neccesarily 'bad' when seen from your RP'd belief system. So rationalisation of your role in that way is perfectly fine. Also remember that we are immortals. We are pod pilots that do not normally die under any circumstance. What do you think someone with a streak of disregard for lesser living things would turn into in terms of beliefs when given immortality as one of only few ? Exactly, a callous murdering self-absorbed little piece of **** that may or may not think that he is actually doing the universe a favour by killing those that have not evolved to his plane of existence. That's enough RP for me tho, it's not healthy Power to the players !
vecdran	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:33:00 - [5] Producers are bad, because they harm the delicate asteroid ecosystem that exists in the Eve universe. Please, think of the roids, frag a miner.
Niaski Zalani	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:14:00 - [6] While it is common to hear pirates saying things like "its not my fault, they're the ones who decided to come to low sec," I prefer a much simpler justifacation for my seemingly evil ways: I don't want to pay $15 per month to exercise good moral values. But I agree with the OP to a certain extent: pirates ingame rp "bad" people... but thats not a bad thing :)
0bsession	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:19:00 - [7] AMEN! In society we have smart crooks and dumb crooks... even lazy crooks. But they are all part of a bad fabric of society. So pirate or not, atleast have a bit more honor and quit sniping with lame game mechanics. Because in the end, you only turn around and whine about wcs stackers and logoff tactics. hehe...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:26:00 - [8] No sane person ever believes that he is "bad." Morals are relative. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:29:00 - [9] I see myself as taking on the self-less job of teaching players how to play EVE better by blowing them up. I don't have a sig :( but i do have a video Welcome Home
Alessandra Grey	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:31:00 - [10] /signed with the fact that "bad is a relative term". Pirates, like any other group, view "bad" as a matter of perspective. They are simply living their lives based on a set of skills and a trade which follows what is commonly thought of as a "criminal element". They, however, may not view this as bad. To people who commit piracy, this is obviously a justified course of action and a legitimate business. The real problem lies in threads like this, where people flame on about ethics without truly understanding what ethics is. Ethics are simply codes of conduct or morality to which people abide. They are very personal in nature and vary from one person or profession to the next. Pirates have their own ethos that they follow. Some may choose to be merciful and ransom you without destroying your ship, based on their own code of ethics. Some may feel that this isnt in the true nature of piracy and just blow you out of space. Arguing in-game ethics is shaky at best for this reason as, technically, everyone is equally as right as they are wrong on any given point. However, dont pigeonhole people into being "bad" because they utilize an element of the game and defend it. I could argue that people who are chronic mission runners are "bad" because they create lag in highly populated systems, introduce massive amounts of new money and items to the market, which inevitably relates to economic inflation. However, even if i were to do so, which i wouldnt, my statement would be both correct and incorrect based on personal opinion. Also, roleplaying is a choice. If someone chooses to be a pirate and not interact in an RP manner, it's not RP. Just because that's the way you want it to be, doesnt make it true. _______________________ ...Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada...

Verone	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Ghoest When you steal and murder/pod you are roleplaying a bad guy - accept it. I did this when i started pirating, I still don't see your point? VETO MEMBER MOVIES
Sakura Nihil	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 07/05/2006 18:55:02 Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 07/05/2006 18:53:52 /me clears throat... YARRRRrrr!!! Yup, we are evil. No doubts about that one, but someone's gotta do it hehe... damn sig hijack!!11! Signature removed. Max filesize is 24,000 bytes. -Eldo ([email protected])
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.07 19:27:00 - [13] Whats the point to this thread? Seriously...
Iberi	Posted - 2006.05.07 20:04:00 - [14] I love pirates! They drop so sweet loot. More pirates, please!
Warp Warrior	Posted - 2006.05.07 21:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Ghoest Pirates are scumy jerks Carebears are scumy jerks! Back at ya baby.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.07 21:58:00 - [16] "The point" is - its stupid when people come into the forum and argue how they arent bad in game even though they pirate. And its most stupid when they try to some how ethically justify pirating. It much better to simply say - "Im a badass pirate in game - Har." Its probably a minority of insure players who do this, but they look like dimwits. Wherever you went - here you are.
Nessa Culnamo	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Nessa Culnamo on 07/05/2006 22:07:10 Originally by: Ghoest And its most stupid when they try to some how ethically justify pirating. It much better to simply say - "Im a badass pirate in game - Har." Pod ya later ;)
Cruz	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Warp Warrior Originally by: Ghoest Pirates are scumy jerks Carebears are scumy jerks! Back at ya baby. You stole my post! .................
Dumus	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:23:00 - [19] Your confusing me -------------------------- Lasers are my friends I need no others
Qahlan	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:26:00 - [20] Pirates may be bad character but they are part of the game. Indeed being a pirate says nothing about the real life values of a person. But going on a forum and complain about completely normal game tactics does tell me you are a very pathetic type of person.

Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:32:00 - [21] Huh? Wherever you went - here you are.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:49:00 - [22] Edited by: Arkanor on 07/05/2006 22:52:51 Originally by: Niaski Zalani While it is common to hear pirates saying things like "its not my fault, they're the ones who decided to come to low sec," I prefer a much simpler justifacation for my seemingly evil ways: I don't want to pay $15 per month to exercise good moral values. There you go, I just hate when people say "It's nobody's fault but your own" when they were performing the direct action of firing upon and destroying a vessel. It's the pirate's fault a ship explodes, it's the victim's problem. Fault means nothing in Eve, only who's problem it is, quite simple. I'm not even calling pirates "bad" here, but you don't see (m)any miners saying "it's the omber's fault for being there." Granted the (potential) victim should consider being KoS a constant that will not be changed, and plan accordingly, but that's not the point. ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
Hey You	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:53:00 - [23] Most pirates admit, like admitting, and will often admit that they are bad people in game. Point? ------------------------------ i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/XTheChairmanX/Hey-You.jpg[/IMG] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Arkanor on 07/05/2006 23:00:23 Originally by: Ghoest -For the purpose of the game you are bad. Its utterly stupid to come to the forum and rationalize your pirate actions(the interation in all but the RP forum, is a real life interaction.) It just as dumb as if you wrote a book saying bank robbers and murders are ok, because people should have been more careful. Why is that? The term "bad" is a point of view and can be applied to anyone in the game. Hisec miners are bad, they use the community farms (omber belts) for their own benefit, not sharing with anyone else. Everyone who does PE/ME research is bad because they hog the slots. Et cetera. It's just the pointless blame game SOME people play. ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:06:00 - [25] ^ No. Bad has accepted meanings. Killing and stealing are bad by common definition. They have been considered "bad" for 1000s of years. You are free to set your moral values - but its stupid bothering to converse with us if you are going to create your own set of semantics. I suspect though that you dont have odd values - if someone broke into your house and killed your kids and took for wallet - I bet you would say they were bad. Everything is not relative with in a society. You deciding to converse with us in the forum means you have tacitly accepted society. Remember once again I am not saying you are bad person IRL. I am saying that your pirate toon is by definition bad and its silly to argue otherwise. Wherever you went - here you are.
Zarithas	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Zarithas on 07/05/2006 23:20:02 Yarrr. Did a salty pirate shiver yer timbers, laddie? If so, buckle yer britches, swear vengeance, and by the High Gods of Piracy, please do not fit yer ship with Warp Core Stabilizers. Yarrr. -------------------------------- Joria Klex > it's sad really cuz i know for a fact i would utterly destroy u all in RL combat
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Ghoest ^ No. Bad has accepted meanings. Killing and stealing are bad by common definition. They have been considered "bad" for 1000s of years. Meanings accepted by most people, but not necessarily all. The larger voice does not dictate the morals of every single person. Not to mention, this is not reality. One cannot say with any sense that killing other people in Counter Strike is "wrong." Quote: You are free to set your moral values - but its stupid bothering to converse with us if you are going to create your own set of semantics. As I recall, many people seem to consider killing in Eve to be perfectly acceptable, as a game I do not give it nearly as much thought to morality. Quote: I suspect though that you dont have odd values - if someone broke into your house and killed your kids and took for wallet - I bet you would say they were bad. Yeah, I would. You forgot a few things though. 1. This is a game, actions committed in a game carry substantially lower weight than actions committed in real life. 2. You can't have your kids killed in a game. The closest you could get is to have them podkilled, and they would respawn. Quote: Everything is not relative with in a society. You deciding to converse with us in the forum means you have tacitly accepted society. Society does not dictate one's moral values. One can converse with others without changing one's values. Quote: Remember once again I am not saying you are bad person IRL. I am saying that your pirate toon is by definition bad and its silly to argue otherwise. 1. I have no pirate char, seriously, I posted with my main, look me up ingame, my sec status is 0.3 and the only person I killed (ship destruction, not podkill) was a friend in a voluntary duel in hisec with expendable frigates. 2. In a universe that does not carry significant lasting effects (such as those of death,) it is perfectly reasonable to argue any viewpoint. This is a universe that allows and accepts killing as a valid action. ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:30:00 - [28] Edited by: Bentguru on 07/05/2006 23:30:01 Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 07/05/2006 22:52:51 Originally by: Niaski Zalani While it is common to hear pirates saying things like "its not my fault, they're the ones who decided to come to low sec," I prefer a much simpler justifacation for my seemingly evil ways: I don't want to pay $15 per month to exercise good moral values. There you go, I just hate when people say "It's nobody's fault but your own" when they were performing the direct action of firing upon and destroying a vessel. It's the pirate's fault a ship explodes, it's the victim's problem. Fault means nothing in Eve, only who's problem it is, quite simple. I'm not even calling pirates "bad" here, but you don't see (m)any miners saying "it's the omber's fault for being there." Granted the (potential) victim should consider being KoS a constant that will not be changed, and plan accordingly, but that's not the point. I disagree with that. 90% of the time it is the victims fault that they were caught and destroyed. That's not to say that the pirate isn't responsible for the ship death, because we certainly are, but most of the time kills happen because victim makes a mistake or is not experianced enough to know anybetter. IMO that makes the fact that his ship/pod was destroyed his fault, while we (the pirates) are still responsible for the actual act. An example: I'm supposed to let my dog out regularly every day or else he shows his dissatisfaction with me by peeing on the floor. It is my fault there is now pee on the floor because I didn't do what I should have, even though i'm not the one who wet the carpet. I don't have a sig :( but i do have a video Welcome Home
Cybermanzero	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:43:00 - [29] If you dont want to get shot by a pirate, all you need to say is 'parle', obviously parle + pirate = stop stop + pirate = not dangerous not dangerous = nice therefore pirates = nice
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.05.08 00:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 07/05/2006 23:30:01 I disagree with that. 90% of the time it is the victims fault that they were caught and destroyed. That's not to say that the pirate isn't responsible for the ship death, because we certainly are, but most of the time kills happen because victim makes a mistake or is not experianced enough to know anybetter. IMO that makes the fact that his ship/pod was destroyed his fault, while we (the pirates) are still responsible for the actual act. An example: I'm supposed to let my dog out regularly every day or else he shows his dissatisfaction with me by peeing on the floor. It is my fault there is now pee on the floor because I didn't do what I should have, even though i'm not the one who wet the carpet. So if in real life you decided to rob your neighbors(and you were smart enough to get away with it.) It would their fault because they didnt stop you? "Fault" implies reposibility by definition. If they left the back door unlocked then yes, it was partly their fault they got robbed by providing me the opertunity. Fault implies that something that person did resulted in something else, not nesecarily that they were completely responsible for it. I don't have a sig :( but i do have a video Welcome Home



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