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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2493
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:13:00 -
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350125GO wrote:I read this post last night at a bar and didn't have time or patience to reply from my iphone. I think the number of hostile posts you received suggest you ruffled a feather or two. Keep doing what you're doing and post the results. The stories behind what you uncover would be interesting.
I'd like to see the ratio of actual work going into subterfuge (corp thieves who really work at infiltrating and then betraying the corp) and how many just get lucky with either a complete lack of vigilance on the corp's part, or just getting an opportunity and deciding to act.
My old corp had a theft once while evacuating from a lost station, and when I asked the pilot why he did it (he stole from his corpmates, not the corp) he told me he never thought of stealing before and wasn't his intention. But when he realized he had a couple billion worth of goods handed over to him to carrier haul he felt he couldn't resist.
Most highsec corps are not even close to opsec-aware, including ones that have been AWOXed multiple times.
Getting into opsec-aware corps is harder, but there are some people who have joined literally dozens of wormhole corps and stolen from each one.
If you can play poker well, the lying skills required - of building not just a bluff but a believable story behind the bluff, being aware of your body's default reactions to you lying and how you can hide them (in your voice), and being able to rapidly and seemlessly adjust your lies to fit changed circumstances - will generally let you get into opsec-aware corps, but it is a lot harder. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Stig Sterling
Rapid Withdrawal
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 09:00:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:Does anyone else find enjoyment out of doing Intel gathering, whether it be proactive or destructive? Close calls if you like to be the "Bad Guy"? Common mistakes the Criminal has made? The Corp? -Besides not doing Intel at all!
I don't like speaking out of character, but I will here just to give you a bit of perspective. I used to be in the Army irl, and in my unit we did a lot of information gathering. In this instance I am talking more about scouting, LRRP, battlefield logistics and the sort. Usually finding information that could be instantly acted upon and relaying that back to the FEBA. I had a knack for this sort of thing, and really enjoyed it.
In New Eden, I am intrigued by the same sort of things. I am training my skills up so that I can utilize the CovOps and Recon ships. I would actually like to come up with a sort of "Reconnaissance Doctrine" for EVE, utilizing current ships and modules, and relying on my own life experience to inform it. In fact, I have made this a sort of mission for me- one that I hope not only allows me to become an awesome intelligence gatherer, but hopefully something that others can learn from as well. I can think of a few applications for this type of activity, and I will be able to expand the practice into fields besides just Fleet Ops.
So yeah, I enjoy gathering Intel. It may be a bit cliche, but knowledge is power, and those who take the time to learn about the enemy are far more prepared to meet them in battle.
Keep fighting the good fight Dalto, and dont ever let anyone tell you that your chosen path in anything less than inspired.
Aiden Wilson Tozer wrote:Refuse to be average. Let your heart soar as high as it will. |

Subject 4927
AwoxxowA
38
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:17:00 -
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This guy is making way harder then it needs to be. |

Koniforous
Tauren Transit
18
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:19:00 -
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Dalto, there are all kinds of players that perform intel gathering activities, but only a few of them actually enjoy connecting the dots, and smile when they notice a new web strand. Funny, I found this post while searching on google for intel on something seemingly unrelated. I worked as a debt collector for the United States Department of the Treasury a few years ago, and was quickly placed on a specialized team of 8 people that were more than talented at finding debtors deemed "non existent" by other collectors. We had all sorts of tools available to us, social security number tracking software, and were encouraged to use any number of tools online we could think of, including social medias, google, local property assessors, you name it. I learned there that anything and anyone can serve as a skip-tracing tool. I called neighbors, librarians, teachers, checked school websites, public paintball team members' data, noticed similarities in misspellings and word use, the list is endless.
The point is, some people DO experience actual enjoyment in connecting the dots of background checks, and there are just as many skip-tracing avenues in Eve as there are in RL. Keep it up! If you're good at it, you can even turn it into a RL career. 2.5% Interest Rate on all investments. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |

Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
61
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:15:00 -
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Subject 4927 wrote:This guy is making way harder then it needs to be.
If it is me you are referring to Subject, I was just exploring many ways. I do use more simplified resources, but I am not 100% correct in every answer I find. I can generally find the right direction- Some who cover themselves very well and I may never know everything about them. I do enjoy your blogs Subject. Good reads! "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |

Miulan Ng
Thirty Pieces of Silver
4
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:38:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:... use any number of tools online we could think of, including social medias, google, local property assessors, you name it. I learned there that anything and anyone can serve as a skip-tracing tool. This is very relevant, and a fake persona or two on social sites would be useful for hunter as well as hunted. Of course, providing false info is against most if not all EULAs, and something I would never dream of doing, because my soul is pure. 
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: ... If you can play poker well, the lying skills required - of building not just a bluff but a believable story behind the bluff, being aware of your body's default reactions to you lying and how you can hide them (in your voice), and being able to rapidly and seemlessly adjust your lies to fit changed circumstances - will generally let you get into opsec-aware corps, but it is a lot harder. I find that maintaining eye contact and socially appropriate expressions are effective credibility enhancing techniques when lying, but that won't apply with voice-only coms. That being said, there are a variety of voice-changing software options to get one 'into character'. I fully agree that having a well thought out back story is essential, even if one's a sociopath.
Mors tua, vita mia. |

The Shadow Broker
EVE Intel Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:39:00 -
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Some parts of this can be obscenely boring. Generally, I'm trying not to do background checks on individuals now unless you can really sell me on why its important and give it all some context. Doing reports on yourself or your alt, etc has gotten quite old.
I'm really wanting to do larger stuff now, maybe on a corp size basis. Stuff that brings conflicts - I recently helped a small corp fight against some 'mercs' that war decced them. They weren't actually mercs they were just a bored lowsec group but whatever. The small corp got a few kills and a few more losses but were left alone eventually and that is a hell of a lot better than being harassed by being a free kill faucet. |

Miulan Ng
Thirty Pieces of Silver
6
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:34:00 -
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The Shadow Broker wrote:Some parts of this can be obscenely boring. Generally, I'm trying not to do background checks on individuals now unless you can really sell me on why its important and give it all some context. Perhaps intel collection & analysis for a client's tactical advantage (e.g. scanning adversary fits to establish potential patterns for exploitation)... and/or psyops- infiltration, assassination, embezzlement? Sounds naughty... 
Mors tua, vita mia. |

The Shadow Broker
EVE Intel Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.04.10 01:20:00 -
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Yes, that is much more what I've got in mind now. Though hey, you got a ton of money and need info on someone go for it. My boredom can in fact be bought. |

Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
63
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Posted - 2014.04.10 08:40:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:Dalto, there are all kinds of players that perform intel gathering activities, but only a few of them actually enjoy connecting the dots, and smile when they notice a new web strand. Funny, I found this post while searching on google for intel on something seemingly unrelated. I worked as a debt collector for the United States Department of the Treasury a few years ago, and was quickly placed on a specialized team of 8 people that were more than talented at finding debtors deemed "non existent" by other collectors. We had all sorts of tools available to us, social security number tracking software, and were encouraged to use any number of tools online we could think of, including social medias, google, local property assessors, you name it. I learned there that anything and anyone can serve as a skip-tracing tool. I called neighbors, librarians, teachers, checked school websites, public paintball team members' data, noticed similarities in misspellings and word use, the list is endless.
The point is, some people DO experience actual enjoyment in connecting the dots of background checks, and there are just as many skip-tracing avenues in Eve as there are in RL. Keep it up! If you're good at it, you can even turn it into a RL career.
I appreciate the encouragement and I want to draw attention to "skip-tracing". In connecting the dots, though I am typically good at getting the answers, there have been some, especially my last "Test" that I honestly could not find an alt, unless I infiltrated a Corp or contacted their previous Corpmates and CEO's and do a little social engineering, which I did not, since it was just an exhibition, and more about me gaining some credibility among certain circles. So of course when it counts, I was unable to perform! "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |

Percival Rose
Temporary Corporation 823-SD
28
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:16:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:350125GO wrote:Keep doing what you're doing and post the results. The stories behind what you uncover would be interesting. Though I'm sure they'd be fascinating, I'd see how much those uncovered were willing to pay to stay in the shadows...  Haha, that's an interesting idea indeed. Could work. Do you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other. |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
150
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:03:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:Though collecting intel may not be 'exciting' to some, your post reminded me of an old article about the Mittani, and how his spy network was instrumental in destroying his corp's adversaries. Knowledge is power. Don't let anyone dissuade you from your passion. 
Amen sister. Human Terrain Modeling for the win. #nsa http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |

Don Purple
209
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:29:00 -
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I miss shodow broker :c havnt seen him since he moved. Intel can be a lot of fun. Shadow runs good intel, id enjoy seeing more of this. I am just here to snuggle. |

The Shadow Broker
EVE Intel Corp
5
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:35:00 -
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I'm still around, just on the opposite timezone! Send a mail if you need anything, I have finished all my contracts I had going and I'm bored! |

Don Purple
213
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Posted - 2014.05.22 05:17:00 -
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The Shadow Broker wrote:I'm still around, just on the opposite timezone! Send a mail if you need anything, I have finished all my contracts I had going and I'm bored!
You still got my pub channel? Get online more bastard I am just here to snuggle. |

Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1211
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Posted - 2014.05.30 13:24:00 -
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I'm used to people gathering intel on me and telling me what they know about me. The only time someone spooked me, though, was when I was on my original 3 characters. One of these characters had no connection what so ever to the other two. While I was sitting in station, in a different region, someone traded me a shuttle named "____'s Shuttle", where "____" was the name of my main character. That was spooky. So much so that all those three characters were eventually sold.
If anyone could tell me the name of those three characters, however, I'd give you 1 billion ISK and hire you to run intel for me. :) This is-á a signature. |

Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2014.05.30 15:26:00 -
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You guys can hate all you want but I'm with the OP on this one. Can be pretty fun putting all the pieces together like a detective. I wouldn't mind learning some tricks of the trade myself tbh. |

Zaxix
Long Jump.
371
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Posted - 2014.05.30 16:59:00 -
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You're not the only one who enjoys a little data mining:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4271660#post4271660
EVE Who really changed things. Protip for a fellow data miner: on eve who, if a corp is closed and recreated, that new corp will take the place of the old on all links. This has several ramifications--a clever person can start a corp that includes whomever, then close it, start another with different people, effectively masking his history. There are other variations on this theme. You can work around this in a couple of ways. Use Chribba's EVE Global, it keeps old corps since it uses the corp ID. You can also compare tickers; those are picked up pretty quickly, so often the corp can't get the same ticker. Check alliance histories, if the corps have been in different alliances. Check the corp symbol. Of course characters can be recreated with the same name too. EVE Global is good for that too, since it tracks character IDs, not just names.
Have fun! I know I did. Bokononist
-á |

Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
104
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Posted - 2014.05.31 07:39:00 -
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I do appreciate the participation in this thread! I think some have assumed I spend a lot of time in researching, but as I stated, its a hobby and not one that I am particularly great at. I am wrong as much as I am right, considering that much of the answers are mere speculation that can't be 100% proven most of the time without information that only CCP and billing officials are privy to.
I also admire the ones of you willing to share your experiences with the enthusiast out there that seem to be a bit "spooky" in how much data they can collect. I agree that Eve Who and Eve-Live both have complete changed the playing field. What I find amusing is how many CEO's out there still do not use the tools to protect their Corporations. They live and they learn I guess! Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Zaxix
Long Jump.
374
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Posted - 2014.06.01 05:57:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:I do appreciate the participation in this thread! I think some have assumed I spend a lot of time in researching, but as I stated, its a hobby and not one that I am particularly great at. I am wrong as much as I am right, considering that much of the answers are mere speculation that can't be 100% proven most of the time without information that only CCP and billing officials are privy to. I also admire the ones of you willing to share your experiences with the enthusiast out there that seem to be a bit "spooky" in how much data they can collect. I agree that Eve Who and Eve-Live both have complete changed the playing field. What I find amusing is how many CEO's out there still do not use the tools to protect their Corporations. They live and they learn I guess!  You remind me of someone... Bokononist
-á |

Subject 4927
The Last Service.
61
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Posted - 2014.06.03 04:52:00 -
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Got a recent eve-mail from someone today, I awoxed/war'd 3 of his corps to death recently. The eve-mail was long and he found all my throw away alts and linked them back to me. He even found some of my alts that do low pew. To him I said bravo, Made me think of this thread.
This all seems to me like the people who are subjected to my services get together like an FBI task force and try to build a case to find my null mains.
Love it. |

Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
111
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:02:00 -
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Wanted to revisit this thread so that I may share a link that was shared in Dixie recently that relates very much to the topic here.
http://neworderspaiagency.blogspot.ca/2014/06/SpaiManual.html
This was a great read, and very informative. Hope that someone here might find use of it as well.
Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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