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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:24:00 -
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I have been thinking of getting myself one of those and I have a question or 2.
1) How har are they to probe down? What will my enemies need to do it?
2) This is what Im thinking about flying:
MFS II MFS II Signal Amp II GBA II
ECCM - Grav II ECCM - Grav II Passive Targeter II TC II TC II
250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II
Anti-EM I Locus II Locus II
Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Intercalated Nanofibers
Plz gimme pointers! |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
290
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:40:00 -
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From what I see, you are missing one med slot. Judging by the stats you give, you are missing one sebo. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
739
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:01:00 -
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Go look up ELO Knight's loss this last weekend on eve-kill.
Impossible to scan down afaik. Not today spaghetti. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
75
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:33:00 -
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Wouldn't it be easier to fit a cloak? Vacuums suck. |
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
34
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:38:00 -
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I believe the idea is to not be combat probable whilst sitting far of a gate and shooting stuff. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
75
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:39:00 -
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I haven't used probes in a while, is it fairly simple to probe an on-grid target to create a warp in? When I was hanging out in WH space 2-3 years ago it would take forever to position probes to scan down a stationary site/wh, I can't imagine how annoying it would be to try and quickly scan a ship before they moved enough so that your warp-in wasn't 100km away.
Vacuums suck. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
768
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:59:00 -
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If I could actually SEE your ship, My probe toon could probe you in one scan cycle. If you were more than 150 away, 1 warp would get tackle on top of you.
You'd be safer sitting at 120 than you are at 200. |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:04:00 -
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Thanks all of u. Im now looking at an Eagle to test this out. Might upgrade for a Tengu later on if I like the results.
This is what Im now looking at:
Eagle for 100-140km:
GBA II MFS II MFS II MFS II
ECCM - Grav (M4) ECCM - Grav ECCM - Grav ECCM - Grav TC II TC II
250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II
Locus II Locus II
321 DPS at 113km or 258 DPS at 130km. 140m sig and 263 Sensor strength. Low grade Talon set.
Tengu for 100-180km:
GBA II MFS II MFS II MFS II
ECCM - Grav (M4) ECCM - Grav ECCM - Grav ECCM - Grav SEBO II TC II
250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II
Locus I Locus II Locus II
Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Intercalated Nanofibers
The differences are that this one actually can do longer ranges. Its also a big diff in the Sensor strength department. A tad more DPS on the ranges specified for the Eagle.
Sensor strength 408 and Sig 157m.
I feel like Ive overdone the sensor strength thing on the Tengu but I rather like that. What did I do wrong and what did I do right? |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:05:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:If I could actually SEE your ship, My probe toon could probe you in one scan cycle. If you were more than 150 away, 1 warp would get tackle on top of you.
You'd be safer sitting at 120 than you are at 200.
Now thats the thing. I need more than that. Can I make it so that u just cant scan me down and in that case how? |
Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
202
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:48:00 -
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Not sure if you can get the eagle to be "unscan".
I use quotes because there have been a number of changes to make that more and more difficult. I know it has been impossible to be 100% immune from scan for some time. However, it required max skills and implants. The addition of more mids to further boost probe str in combination with further tweeking of the ECCM soft cap have made the requirements lower still. |
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xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:56:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Go look up ELO Knight's loss this last weekend on eve-kill.
Impossible to scan down afaik.
elo was probed down and had a bomber wing warped in on him to secure this kill http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22817719
So not unprobable. Just a pain in the ass to probe out. |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:17:00 -
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With the fit i presented Ill have higher sensor str than the Elo Knights fit, considering I have one additional ECCM - Grav and one GBA II. This is not counting implants. He might have had a regular Talon set while Ill have a low-grade.
I kind of need numbers if anyone have the insight and will to provide it.
What will be needed to scan down a Tengu --> 157 Sig / 408 sensor str = 0.385 |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
561
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:45:00 -
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Nad'x Hapax wrote:With the fit i presented Ill have higher sensor str than the Elo Knights fit, considering I have one additional ECCM - Grav and one GBA II. This is not counting implants. He might have had a regular Talon set while Ill have a low-grade.
I kind of need numbers if anyone have the insight and will to provide it.
What will be needed to scan down a Tengu --> 157 Sig / 408 sensor str = 0.385
That threshold is floored at .98 , so straight out unprobable simply doesn't work. However, the BL. Tengu is basically unprobable and requires a covops full of scanmods (2 grav upgrades, 2 rangefinders) or virtues to get a hit.
Also, main idea of that tengu is to be nullified AND hard to probe. So if something is landing on you, you just warp off even against a dictor to prevent getting bombed. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
85
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:55:00 -
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Nad'x Hapax wrote:I have been thinking of getting myself one of those and I have a question or 2.
1) How har are they to probe down? What will my enemies need to do it?
2) This is what Im thinking about flying:
MFS II MFS II Signal Amp II GBA II
ECCM - Grav II ECCM - Grav II Passive Targeter II TC II TC II
250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II
Anti-EM I Locus II Locus II
Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Intercalated Nanofibers
This Will give me: 265 DPS at 207km optimal with Spike. 186 Grav sensor STR. Align time 4.6 sec. Targeting range 227km.
Plz gimme pointers!
pretty **** DPS and overall damage.
You will be more usefull going balls deep with an enyo :D
or get a tornado and snipe properly.
Unless you have a big fleet of these (see BL) this thing is pretty much a massive waste of ISK. |
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
714
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Posted - 2014.04.09 07:42:00 -
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Some fore thought and and smart flying and a tornado or other teir 3 BC will do a better job....
20 book marks and a choke point stargate later and this thing pwns:
[Tornado, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN Microwarpdrive II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I Medium Ionic Field Projector I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Nulla Curas |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:48:00 -
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Luwc wrote:Nad'x Hapax wrote:I have been thinking of getting myself one of those and I have a question or 2.
1) How har are they to probe down? What will my enemies need to do it?
2) This is what Im thinking about flying:
MFS II MFS II Signal Amp II GBA II
ECCM - Grav II ECCM - Grav II Passive Targeter II TC II TC II
250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II 250mm Rail II
Anti-EM I Locus II Locus II
Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Intercalated Nanofibers
This Will give me: 265 DPS at 207km optimal with Spike. 186 Grav sensor STR. Align time 4.6 sec. Targeting range 227km.
Plz gimme pointers! pretty **** DPS and overall damage. You will be more usefull going balls deep with an enyo :D or get a tornado and snipe properly. Unless you have a big fleet of these (see BL) this thing is pretty much a massive waste of ISK.
My aim is not to kill off cruiser+ fleets with it. My aim is to be a annoying and kill of a frig or two. Just because I find it to be fun. This is also solo work so there aint a fleet depending on what I do. |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
48
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:51:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Nad'x Hapax wrote:With the fit i presented Ill have higher sensor str than the Elo Knights fit, considering I have one additional ECCM - Grav and one GBA II. This is not counting implants. He might have had a regular Talon set while Ill have a low-grade.
I kind of need numbers if anyone have the insight and will to provide it.
What will be needed to scan down a Tengu --> 157 Sig / 408 sensor str = 0.385 That threshold is floored at .98 , so straight out unprobable simply doesn't work. However, the BL. Tengu is basically unprobable and requires a covops full of scanmods (2 grav upgrades, 2 rangefinders) or virtues to get a hit. Also, main idea of that tengu is to be nullified AND hard to probe. So if something is landing on you, you just warp off even against a dictor to prevent getting bombed.
So what u are saying is that a lower value than .98 is a waste of med and low slots? So when my value is .35 my real value is still .98?
This will also not be used in null so the nullifier seems like a waste |
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